Not mentioning the rider of the white horse having arrows does not mean there were no arrows. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. He could be the Holy Spirit, yes? Riding out on the church, the flock becoming a steed warring against satan since Pentecost, yes? The verse does not mention subterfuge, deception and political and economic intrigue. Which is not to say those could not be involved. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Assualts Against Restrainer
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What you have stated here is an accusation of imprecision, of which I do not believe Holy Spirit perpetrated in relation to John's inspiration. In other words, your argument goes both ways in that it's not evidence for the lack of arrows, nor is it evidence that the precision is indeed intact to show that there were no arrows provided given that ONLY a bow is mentioned. So, I will stand on the side of precision in what John wrote, in that what is missing is absent for good reason.
Backing for my take on this is also present in the fact that Revelation shows the man of sin not getting nearly as aggressive in the first half as he does in the second half. He brings peace to Israel by way of a treaty. As you may recall, Israel is the exact center of all that is addressed in revelation, not the saints worldwide.
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Backing for my take on this is also present in the fact that Revelation shows the man of sin not getting nearly as aggressive in the first half as he does in the second half. He brings peace to Israel by way of a treaty. As you may recall, Israel is the exact center of all that is addressed in revelation, not the saints worldwide.
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As odd as this will sound to those who have sold themselves out to the false teachings behind replacement theology, the seven churches are NOT a reference to Gentiles nor the body of Christ. Those seven churches were Jewish. Why? First of all, Paul only makes mention of only two of the seven churches, with Laodicea being one of them, and Paul at no time scolded them for the things John wrote about the Jews that comprised that ancient church. Additionally, the ancient Jews in Moses' time were also referred to as the "church" by Stephen right before his stoning. So, the problems of English translations only compound the lack of in-depth understanding when detailed studies are not performed by the arm chair experts of other men's preaching and teaching apart from personal study on the part of each professing believer. Dare congregations start studying the Bible for what it says on their own, almost the entire system of churchianity would collapse into a smoldering heap.
Let's look at the text for it to speak for itself:
Revelation 2:5, 22
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. ...
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
These two are Ephesus and Thyatira. The body of Christ is never identified by candlesticks nor a people who would ever be cast into great tribulation. For the Lord to cast any member of the body of Christ into "great tribulation" would be a contradiction within the words of the Lord and within Himself. Only Israel is ever associated with candlesticks and a part of those cast into great tribulation...apart from those whom the Lord shields, the remnant of faithful Israel the second half point as outlined in the middle of the tribulation after fleeing into the desert and mountains...likely Petra in the northwestern part of Jordan.
This intellectual...or lack thereof...assault, then, is also against the restrainer by trying to misidentify the body of Christ as having any association with the imagery of candlesticks and being cast into great tribulation in spite of the promise of deliverance through the understanding that we are not appointed unto wrath. Any and all other beliefs either misrepresent what scripture actually says or they invent parallels that are nowhere supported within scripture.
MM
Let's look at the text for it to speak for itself:
Revelation 2:5, 22
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. ...
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
These two are Ephesus and Thyatira. The body of Christ is never identified by candlesticks nor a people who would ever be cast into great tribulation. For the Lord to cast any member of the body of Christ into "great tribulation" would be a contradiction within the words of the Lord and within Himself. Only Israel is ever associated with candlesticks and a part of those cast into great tribulation...apart from those whom the Lord shields, the remnant of faithful Israel the second half point as outlined in the middle of the tribulation after fleeing into the desert and mountains...likely Petra in the northwestern part of Jordan.
This intellectual...or lack thereof...assault, then, is also against the restrainer by trying to misidentify the body of Christ as having any association with the imagery of candlesticks and being cast into great tribulation in spite of the promise of deliverance through the understanding that we are not appointed unto wrath. Any and all other beliefs either misrepresent what scripture actually says or they invent parallels that are nowhere supported within scripture.
MM
Isaiah, who was not at all aware of the rapture, said this:
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
This warped and evil practice will not have been new in these end times, for that was going on in Isaiah's time. People have been departing from truth and good all throughout the history of mankind. Because the rapture remained a mystery (hidden wisdom) since the creation of the world until revealed through Paul, the only trigger for the rapture and the end of the age of grace is the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, as is written. There are no prophecies from the prophets about the rapture since it was never revealed to any of them. They knew of the tribulation and the Kingdom to follow, and even about the death and resurrection of their Messiah, but the rapture and the Gospel of Grace both remained shrouded and hidden in God until Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles.
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Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
This warped and evil practice will not have been new in these end times, for that was going on in Isaiah's time. People have been departing from truth and good all throughout the history of mankind. Because the rapture remained a mystery (hidden wisdom) since the creation of the world until revealed through Paul, the only trigger for the rapture and the end of the age of grace is the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, as is written. There are no prophecies from the prophets about the rapture since it was never revealed to any of them. They knew of the tribulation and the Kingdom to follow, and even about the death and resurrection of their Messiah, but the rapture and the Gospel of Grace both remained shrouded and hidden in God until Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles.
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I see them.. Holy Spirit and the Church as one yet not. Hard to explain. But not why I am posting. Just the other night I had dream. Never had a "pre mid post" tribulation dream. In this one it was all white back ground and the text was red like yours in this post here. One word stood out "snatched up". Then it was just about how some tend to focus on proving pre mid post but few talk about that word "caught up" and what it means 
Looking again at what "ἁρπαγησόμεθα" means I found "snatched up" is also used with others as in "to convey away suddenly, transport hastily". Point here is haha I never ever use the word "snatched up".
Looking again at what "ἁρπαγησόμεθα" means I found "snatched up" is also used with others as in "to convey away suddenly, transport hastily". Point here is haha I never ever use the word "snatched up".
I see them.. Holy Spirit and the Church as one yet not. Hard to explain. But not why I am posting. Just the other night I had dream. Never had a "pre mid post" tribulation dream. In this one it was all white back ground and the text was red like yours in this post here. One word stood out "snatched up". Then it was just about how some tend to focus on proving pre mid post but few talk about that word "caught up" and what it means
Looking again at what "ἁρπαγησόμεθα" means I found "snatched up" is also used with others as in "to convey away suddenly, transport hastily". Point here is haha I never ever use the word "snatched up".
Looking again at what "ἁρπαγησόμεθα" means I found "snatched up" is also used with others as in "to convey away suddenly, transport hastily". Point here is haha I never ever use the word "snatched up".
MM