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Dan58

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My friend says God is not anymore real then ALL THE OTHER "religions" out there.
How could your friend possibly know that? Atheist usually want facts, and one fact is, they can't disprove God's existence.
 
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My friend says God is not anymore real then ALL THE OTHER "religions" out there.
How do you convince them other wise? They say the scriptures contradict themselves...
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

We walk by faith, not by sight, and many people want proof physically that God does exist.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and the disciples had the witness, and some of them back then, of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, so they did not need faith, but everybody else needs faith.

Jesus is saying that some people will only believe because they have seen Jesus after He raised from the dead, and a visible manifestation of God, and since it is based on faith it is not enough for some people to be convinced that God is real.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Creation testifies that there is a God, or supreme being, that created all things, and of His attributes which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, so the world is without excuse for not believing in God, and loving people, which love is the fulfilling of the law.

Isa 41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
Isa 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Isa 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Isa 41:24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.
Isa 41:25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
Isa 41:26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
Isa 41:27 The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.
Isa 41:28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
Isa 41:29 Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.

God proves that He is real, and the one true God out of all the religions that claim a God, for He told us the end from the beginning, and told us the start of creation, and how things came about, and the whole history of mankind from Adam and Eve until Jesus puts down the wicked on earth, and the saints dwelling with Jesus forever.

God told us the history of the Jews, and told us the kingdoms that would be on earth, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, the Roman Empire, and the next kingdom to come is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section when the nations come together and try to establish peace on earth, and end up rebelling against God following the New Age Christ, which He will end this sin business on earth.

God warns the saints of the new age movement that is the beginning of the end, and the future for this sinful world, that will lead the world to the beast kingdom where they will acknowledge no personal God, and told us all things concerning the end time.

There is enough proof to come to the conclusion that there is a God, and He is the God of the Bible, but we have a choice so some will not see it, convincing themselves it is not true.

Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him(Lazarus) to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Many people once they are persuaded in their mind there is no God it can be kind of hard to shake them from that even if you have good proof of it, although it being short of God actually appearing to them in visible form.

God will not show anybody a visible manifestation of Himself to people so they will believe, and that is what many people want to see, but it is based on faith, and blessed is he that has not seen a visible image of God but still believes.

But the witness of creation is a big witness, and if God says it is a testimony there is a God that created all things, and they should love this higher power, and love people, the 2 greatest laws, then it is a valid, sound witness, so why do they ignore that, which they choose not to believe it, and proclaiming themselves to be wise, like they know what is up concerning reality, they became fools.

And prophesy is a big witness, especially in the end time, and now, for we will probably see peace established in the Middle East, and all Jews go to Israel, and not be in the nations anymore, as God says He will do, and the nations coming together and saying Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth, and after that the time the world will not endure sound doctrine, but according to the new age movement which is based on evolution, and people can still evolve, and waiting for the New Age Christ to cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

And prophesy is a big tool that can be used to reach people in the end time, and when they see it come to pass they might think the Bible is true for already telling us ahead of time what will happen.

They do not believe that the New Age Christ will appear to cause them to evolve until the nations come together as one and try to establish peace on earth, hence they want to bring the nations together, and have a compromise between all beliefs, or a blending that is balanced for all, so all is involved to bring the nations together.

When America and Russia cooperate together, and compromise, it is close.

The Hegel System, and it appears as if it is in play.

1.Thesis.

2.Anti-thesis.

3.Synthesis- back to the first but in a higher form, and compromise of the 2 systems, and the traits of the 2 systems, that they believe is actually a better system than either alone.

1.Thesis- America, and that type of system.

2.Anti-thesis- Russia, and that type of system.

3.Synthesis- back to the first but in a higher form, the ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, the traits of both, and a compromise of both, which they believe is a better system than either one alone.

Republican- Right Wing, and Democrat- Left Wing, is also a Hegel principle.

Which means America and Russia, and Republican and Democrat, have actually been working together all along to get everyone involved with their differences, and compromise between the 2 to bring the nations together.

Which means that America likes some things of Russia, and Russia likes some things of America, and the same with Republican and Democrat, but they present themselves as opposites to get everyone involved with their differences, and then compromise.
 

PennEd

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I am virtually certain I could intellectually prove God through science, Scripture, and experience. I am EQUALLY certain that there are many who suppress the Truth because they know if there is a God they will be held accountable to Him.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [d]SUPPRESS THE TRUTH in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is [e]manifest [f]in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

EVERYONE knows deep down God exists.
 

calibob

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Through common sense, of course, but we learn in schools now not to trust common sense, at least not public schools any way. I was taught if you can't measure quantify or reproduce something that you can't prove it like space. We know it's there but until we can prove by science it's just a theory. I didn't make that up, one of my professors said it. Logic gone off the rails.
 
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theanointedsinner

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they want scientific, repeatable, evidence that an entity who lost free will, and is somehow compelled and enslaved by the whim of scientist ...

... they clearly don't want the Christian God who actually have free will capable of relationships

ok atheist,
I deny that empathy exist, you can't see, hear ... yet people claim that they feel it in their heart.
and surely, they will think I'm making a fool of myself for denying the existence of compassion, like really?

seems like atheist have inconsistent standard to me
 

calibob

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I think atheism is a paradox because in many ways it says nothing without proof exists, but it cannot prove by it's own standards that it is correct either. The bottom line is faith, they have faith in their double speak we have faith in things unseen. It's kind of like time travel. God can do it because he is not bound by the rules he made for the universe because he made the universe. It did not make him. If we could travel at the speed where time aledgedly stops and live. It would be a one way trip with no concievable way back.
 

mcubed

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My friend says God is not anymore real then ALL THE OTHER "religions" out there.
How do you convince them other wise? They say the scriptures contradict themselves...
Which Scriptures contradict themselves?

Is it morally ok for your friend to commit murder, have sex with a baby?
 
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theanointedsinner

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they won't listen even if someone rises from the dead (Luke 16:31)

and I'll illustrate to you how doubting works for this

someone risen from the dead? that's baloney
science may not be advance enough to explain this coma, but one day, science will

that someone rising from the dead is just an illusion, but in actuality, it's nothing more than coma, no matter how long or how unbelievable it seems to wake up from that kind of coma

therefore, it's possible to not believe even if someone rises from the dead
 

Musicus

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Thank you all so much for your comments.
So, what should a person do if they are married to one who does not believe?
This is what the bible says. I admit, being single myself, that I know rather little about this.

1 Corinthians 7:12-14
12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.