Attack of the seventh day adventists
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they all are, someone told me we must keep the sabbath to be saved on this forum, now tell me this... who would you believe.. the word of God or the word of Man this person told me we must keep the sabbath to be saved.. if experience what born again means they would know better 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [h=3]John 3:3[/h]
And I could be wrong, but I don't John is advocating this position. Which just goes to prove it's always good to verify where someone is specifically at with their salvation prior to critcizising them, and that goes for people on both sides of this Sabbatarian fence.
As for me, my salvation lies solely in the grace of the life, death and resurrection of Yeshua/Jesus. Yet I also believe it's of benefit for all believers to honor the Sabbath. Does it affect their salvation? Nope. But is it still a blessing? Yep.
As for me, my salvation lies solely in the grace of the life, death and resurrection of Yeshua/Jesus. Yet I also believe it's of benefit for all believers to honor the Sabbath. Does it affect their salvation? Nope. But is it still a blessing? Yep.
No one accused you of anything. Just tired of being threatened - not necessarily by you, John. And my conclusion to this debate isn't to condemn others for their legalist choices, but to walk away!
Why oh why does everyone think every post I write is about them? That's kind of borderline. "It's all about me!!"
Maybe we need to start a post on the symptoms of borderline and paranoia, and how every post that people write isn't about them, unless they are directly accused in the post??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Why oh why does everyone think every post I write is about them? That's kind of borderline. "It's all about me!!"
Maybe we need to start a post on the symptoms of borderline and paranoia, and how every post that people write isn't about them, unless they are directly accused in the post??????????????????????????????????????????????????
And see, I have no problem with folks attending church any or every day of the week. I just see that God Himself made a distinction between all of the days in regards to the Sabbath. I see a difference between the Sabbath and the "Lord's Day". So I'm all for going to church and worshipping any day you want. But I know there is a distinct blessing in my life when I honor the Sabbath both literally and in principle.
47And He was teaching daily in the temple; but the chief priests and the scribes and the leading men among the people were trying to destroy Him, 48and they could not find anything that they might do, for all the people were hanging on to every word He said.
Daily; I wonder if that means Sun Day too? Yup it sure does.
We have lots of problems in our world, and that Ellen White taught something not the truth is just one of them, so why not ignore it, why listen to her? Directtime brought out that Christ taught daily as part of reasoning about what day the Sabbath was, when teaching and Sabbath has nothing to do with the other. I'll bet he is a fine Christian man worth listening to, even if that does not make sense.
I am going to keep studying the bible, listening to my Lord, and every day dying to self and living through Him as much as I possibly can, and Ellen White does not enter into my life at all. Nor, do I think, should she.
I am going to keep studying the bible, listening to my Lord, and every day dying to self and living through Him as much as I possibly can, and Ellen White does not enter into my life at all. Nor, do I think, should she.
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I don't know John well enough to hazard a wild guess. I can't judge a man's heart but I can comment on his own posted statements.
I enjoy getting in touch with our Jewish heritage. I enjoy eating Jewish foods, going to a Seder, hanging a mezuzah on my front door and I have a messianic tallit. I enjoy them but never obey them. I engage in them but not because of law. I am free to enjoy them or not.
We can never mix mosaic law with grace as the two are diametrically opposed to each other. Christ liberated us from the cruel task master of the law and brough us lovingly to a brand new exciting covenant based on love and freedom. When people tell me they obey the Sabbath because it is law, I honestly worry if they are saved. Legalism and grace are like oil and water.
Even worse, they are pouring new wine into old wine skins and the wine is being wasted as it falls to the ground. We follow Jesus not Moses.
I enjoy getting in touch with our Jewish heritage. I enjoy eating Jewish foods, going to a Seder, hanging a mezuzah on my front door and I have a messianic tallit. I enjoy them but never obey them. I engage in them but not because of law. I am free to enjoy them or not.
We can never mix mosaic law with grace as the two are diametrically opposed to each other. Christ liberated us from the cruel task master of the law and brough us lovingly to a brand new exciting covenant based on love and freedom. When people tell me they obey the Sabbath because it is law, I honestly worry if they are saved. Legalism and grace are like oil and water.
Even worse, they are pouring new wine into old wine skins and the wine is being wasted as it falls to the ground. We follow Jesus not Moses.
I am a Sabbath keeper. The reason I keep this is because it gives me an entire day to focus on Yahweh. Something that is impossible to do every day of the week. We have to work to support ourselves, while we are doing this we are not 100% focused on Yahweh. During the week one should study, pray, fellowship, but tdue to work one can not do this everyday. In this a can only speak for myself, I do not focus on Yahweh on the 7th day and then dive into a mud pit the rest of the week, this day trins me in how to control myself, after Sabbath, when a sin presents itself I MY experience it is much easier to avoid, this verse explains the feeling I have:
1 Corinthians 9:25-27, "And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all
things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a
man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
What I dont understand is how do I get hate and "fallen from grace" aimed at me when I choose obedience because I have be reconciled to Yahweh. If there were no recicilation and one had no chance mo matter what they did, I wouldnt agree but I could see why some may choose whatever they want. My self, I feel humblem, insignificant, unworthy of waht I have been given, when I give myself over to sin I feel like I am taking advantage of Yahweh's mercy, or them term "spitting in ones face?" Regardless if one thinks the Sabbath is still valid or not, it's origin is in the instruction of the Creator of all that is, it has no origins in pagan practice, as long as one is doing it for a reason other than salvation, HOW IS THAT WRONG? If the Sabbath were a Commandment made my men then definitely it shoud be rejected but it is directly from Yahweh.
1 Corinthians 9:25-27, "And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all
things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a
man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."
What I dont understand is how do I get hate and "fallen from grace" aimed at me when I choose obedience because I have be reconciled to Yahweh. If there were no recicilation and one had no chance mo matter what they did, I wouldnt agree but I could see why some may choose whatever they want. My self, I feel humblem, insignificant, unworthy of waht I have been given, when I give myself over to sin I feel like I am taking advantage of Yahweh's mercy, or them term "spitting in ones face?" Regardless if one thinks the Sabbath is still valid or not, it's origin is in the instruction of the Creator of all that is, it has no origins in pagan practice, as long as one is doing it for a reason other than salvation, HOW IS THAT WRONG? If the Sabbath were a Commandment made my men then definitely it shoud be rejected but it is directly from Yahweh.