Authority

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cooterhein

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I want to ask a two-part question on authority. First, when there is disagreement among church leaders on matters of faith and/or practice, what is the right way to resolve the dispute and determine who it is that one should listen to- ie., who it is that exercises authority? This pertains more to how authority works among equals, where one person is not expected to submit to another as a matter of habit or expectation.

And second, when a church leader or church leaders do exercise authority over a flock/congregation/ecclesia, what should that authority look like and how should it operate? For the sake of this example, let's say the congregation includes members that are (objectively speaking) of equal or greater intelligence than the person/s in leadership, and most or all of them are bible-literate. We'll also assume that at least a half-dozen from the congregation have been formally ordained at some point, although they do not serve in a formal pastoral capacity at this particular church. (Perhaps they're retired missionaries or pastors, or somebody used to be a youth pastor while working toward a different career- something like that). I know it's not always like this, but for the sake of example, let's say the congregation brings a lot to the table in terms of leadership and experience while not being on the payroll of the church they attend, are members of, and invest in at this time. What should the authority in such a church look like, and how should it operate?

Please feel free to define authority as carefully as you like, and do ask me to explain myself in more specific ways. I'm not trying to make this thread develop in a certain specific way, and I'm interested in seeing what direction everyone else wants to take it in.
 
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I want to ask a two-part question on authority. First, when there is disagreement among church leaders on matters of faith and/or practice, what is the right way to resolve the dispute and determine who it is that one should listen to- ie., who it is that exercises authority? This pertains more to how authority works among equals, where one person is not expected to submit to another as a matter of habit or expectation.

And second, when a church leader or church leaders do exercise authority over a flock/congregation/ecclesia, what should that authority look like and how should it operate? For the sake of this example, let's say the congregation includes members that are (objectively speaking) of equal or greater intelligence than the person/s in leadership, and most or all of them are bible-literate. We'll also assume that at least a half-dozen from the congregation have been formally ordained at some point, although they do not serve in a formal pastoral capacity at this particular church. (Perhaps they're retired missionaries or pastors, or somebody used to be a youth pastor while working toward a different career- something like that). I know it's not always like this, but for the sake of example, let's say the congregation brings a lot to the table in terms of leadership and experience while not being on the payroll of the church they attend, are members of, and invest in at this time. What should the authority in such a church look like, and how should it operate?

Please feel free to define authority as carefully as you like, and do ask me to explain myself in more specific ways. I'm not trying to make this thread develop in a certain specific way, and I'm interested in seeing what direction everyone else wants to take it in.
No human has authority over your conscience or belief.
 
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cooterhein

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No human has authority over your conscience or belief.
Looking more for descriptions and affirmations of what you got going on than negative statements and rejections of very, very general ideas.
 

crossnote

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This matter is usually set out in the Church's ByLaws and/or constitution as Church government is an adiophroa (not spelled out in Scripture) but is determined beforehand by each Church body. This is partly why you have Episcopaelians, Presbyterians, Baptists; they go about these decisions differently.
 
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cooterhein

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This matter is usually set out in the Church's ByLaws and/or constitution as Church government is an adiophroa (not spelled out in Scripture) but is determined beforehand by each Church body. This is partly why you have Episcopaelians, Presbyterians, Baptists; they go about these decisions differently.
Ah, adiaphora! It's been awhile since I've seen that word. Last time I was looking at it, I was finding out some things about how early Lutherans were trying to figure out what things were in that realm and what things were not. It was an interesting process; I'm going to revisit that.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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scripture is the ultimate authority...the question is not who to listen to...the question is who is in agreement with scripture...
 
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wdeaton65

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Here in lies the root of most problems in the body today this shoul be a really great thread. I would say that the authority lies in conformation with two or three witnesses from the scriptures as all the 1 century and letters from Paul would say Acts 17;11.
 
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lan12

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well God is a God of order structure and design the bible clearly is the book of how we run our lifes right and issues affecting us .
THE MISSION of “perfectingofthesaints.com” is summed up in (Ephesians 4:11-15) 11"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ." this is the authority in the church body . However if someone offend you scritture clearly states [h=3]Matthew 18:15-17[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[h=3]If Your Brother Sins Against You[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
 
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lan12

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Please beware of the rebellion spirit .......but i am not too clear on what exactly your addressing
 
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nonicknametouse

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1 Timothy chapter 3 explains some of this. Will get back to you with more.