BABYLON THE GREAT

[Devolution]

LOLLLLLL...

Oh Zone, you're a feisty one thats for sure....well i see journey put something on concerning Babylon the Great, i will gladly put on the BEGINNINGS of the Whore's identity..with Babylon the Great mixed in....can't really separate the two, can't have one without the other...

I do hope you actually read it with a open heart? Shouldn't be too long Zone...

Regards
Devolution.

 

[zone]

LOL, Zone, didn't YOU first say Journey had Babylon the Great wrong? I might be wrong, but im sure in all your words that THAT was your main sticking point?

she does. and so do you.

You just SWITCHED to the "queen" whilst within that accusation. Lets concentrate on one thing at a time...this way you might just LISTEN and READ what is written...just a suggestion because you don't seem capable handling PLAIN speech at the moment? Should we use bigger words? If that helps? You know, pretend we're scholars....

you ARE pretending you're scholars.
go bigger if want to.

I will begin writing out from MY OWN searchings concerning the whore FIRST, because im sure Journey will likely comment on Babylon the great before i get a chance....and just so you know....we can not have the Whore WITHOUT Babylon the great...they are both ENTWINED...BOTH SYMBOLIC.

waiting......

 

[zone]

LOLLLLLL...

Oh Zone, you're a feisty one thats for sure....well i see journey put something on concerning Babylon the Great, i will gladly put on the BEGINNINGS of the Whore's identity..with Babylon the Great mixed in....can't really separate the two, can't have one without the other...

I do hope you actually read it with a open heart? Shouldn't be too long Zone...

Regards
Devolution.

looking forward to it.
if either of you change your story from what you've written in the past, please make a note of it....simple.
zone.

 

[wakeup]

Rev 17:5 And apon her forehead was a name written "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

O.k. so it is revealed here that God pictures Babylon the Great as a harlot. What do harlots do? They have many lovers. They are adulterers. They are not loyal to one. They contaminate and spread diseases. They entice single & married men to indulge in their lust. They can offer whatever you want. Take it, it's yours....

God is not talking about a physical woman here. He is talking about a spiritual woman. Babylon has many Gods. Babylon is not faithful to the true God, so in God's eyes she is an adulterer, a harlot. Babylon provides so many different religions, Gods, beliefs...just take your pick. Babylon lies & spreads untruths. Babylon is strong, and she wants you, whatever is closes to your heart, anything you want she can provide. Money, riches, materials, power, religion, lust whatever...she is rolled all into one.

God likens Babylon the Great to a woman, because she produces children. She nurtures them. Her children are harlots and she is the MOTHER of all HARLOTS.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye recieve not of her plagues.

COME OUT OF HER ...MY PEOPLE.. MY PEOPLE.. MY PEOPLE ..MY PEOPLE MY PEOPLE.

Who are these ones God calls his people? Havn't his people washed their sins in the blood of the lamb? Where not they saved through grace only?

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that you are neither cold nor hot: .....

Rev 3:16 So then because you art LUKEWARM, and NEITHER cold nor hot, I will SPEW YOU out of MY MOUTH.

Rev 3:17 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

Rev 18:7 How much she has GLORIFIED HERSELF, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she said in her heart I SIT AS QUEEN, and am NO WIDOW and shall see NO SORROW.

Sound familiar??

Remember the harlot and what she's offering you? Remember those who tell you that you are saved by grace only and to stay comfortable because God has forgiven you...not knowing that grace leads us to repentance, and repentance to knowledge and knowledge to obedience, and obedience to honour, and honour to salvation?....but we went to church every sunday, we sang spiritual songs, we praised his name out loud, we gave our tithes, we brang others in..we walked in the hot sun all day knocking on doors...we shouted from the rooftops..we read the scriptures..we debated..we mocked them for your name...

but wait theres hope...
Rev 3:18 I counsel you to BUYof ME, GOLDtried in the FIRE, that YOUmay be RICH, and WHITE RAIMENT, that YOU may be CLOTHED, and that the SHAME of YOUR NAKEDNESS do NOT APPEAR; and ANNOINT YOUR EYES with EYE SALVE, that YOU MAY SEE

Rev 14:4 These are they which were NOT DEFILED with WOMEN; for they are VIRGINS. These are THEY which FOLLOW the LAMB wherever he goes. These were REDEEMED from among MEN, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto GOD and to the LAMB.

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found NO GUILE: for they are the without fault before the throne of God.

O.k. so this is talking about the 144,000, the firstfruits, we know firstfruits are the first, so something big will happen here. They will be rewarded, it doesn't say anything about them wearing White and being REFINED.?..only Redeemed.....but what about the rest which come later...what do they have to BUY? What do they have to REFINE in the FIRE...When you refine something in the fire you put it through EXTREME HEAT...O.k. Jesus did this, we know this...but it says WE HAVE TO BUY NOW..Jesus already paid the price. He made the purchase. So now I'm confused..it says WE have to BUY.... WHAT DO WE HAVE TO PROOVE?

Rev 19:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and JUDGEMENT was given unto them: and I saw the SOULS of THEM that were BEHEADED for the WITNESS OF JESUS, and for the WORD of GOD, and which had not WORSHIPED the BEAST, neither his IMAGE, neither had recieved HIS MARK upon their FOREHEADS, or in their HANDS. and they LIVED and REIGNED with CHRIST for a THOUSAND YEARS.....

THOUSAND YEARS, THOUSAND YEARS, THOUSAND YEARS. Now the above is mentioning that these people were killed for the Witness of Jesus. To go through that is going to be an incredible heat.....They loved not their lives right up to the very end...

Rev 7:9 After this, I beheld, and, lo, a GREAT MULTIDUDE, which no man could number, of ALL NATIONS, and KINDREDS, and PEOPLE, and TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, CLOTHED with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands.

There it is, We had to buy Gold tried with fire, so that we could be rich, and also WHITE RAIMENT so we could be clothed..These ones are wearing exactly what Christ told us to buy..and they went through some heat...I dont want to scare you, but are you getting my drift?

So, God is warning that HIS PEOPLE are still in BABYLON, unless I've made a big mistake.. HE IS NOT WARNING THE UNBELIEVERS, HE IS WARNING US....YOU, ME, HIS PEOPLE. Come out of her! Come out of Babylon...because if you are one with her then you will also recieve all her plagues. You will be thrown into the same bucket as all the murderers, liars, cheats,adulterers, heathen etc. The same bucket.

In case your confused, Babylon has always been here since the beginning...She is ruled by Satan, the God of this world. Babylon was destroyed way back because of her wickedness, but she still lingers and she's back with a vengeneance. Her wickedness exceeds her past. Her sins have reached unto heaven. She is so great now...Babylon the great is THE WHOLE WORLD. She has been riding on the beast since the beginning. She will be destroyed by Jesus. Let Jesus be your saviour and come out of her while there is still time...prepare for the heat..prepare, prepare,prepare, looks like the only way you will avoid it is if you die before then..God forbid, or if you make it into the 144,000. ..and thats a very very small number with so many christians about..our chances would be so slim...sorry, but its the end result we are after.. salvation. and God will be with us all the way and strengthen us and put his words in us. He will make us face whatever we have to do and if we are not prepared, and the time comes then we will feel so let down and left out and rejected...We will weaken..Havn't we prophesied in your name Lord, havn't we healed and cast out demons? DONT BE DECIEVED.
Regards
Jouney.
Whatever is sin or sinful is Babylon the Great. It is wrong to just say that this is the Roman Catholic church. There are sinners in every church, as every human being is a sinner, in or outside of any church group. All need to repent and seek God. All people need the forgiveness and mercy of Jesus Christ. So no one should feel special or different from others. We all need God's kindness and love. We all need the gift of holiness, which comes not from ourselves; it comes from the grace and presence of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. We need to be born again through the Spirit. All people need Jesus Christ. The only thing that saves us is not preaching, but receiving the blood of Christ's benefits in the sacraments. We need baptism, chrismation, and the eucharist. We need confession of sins. We need repentance to lead to these sacraments
repentance faith in God and in His Church confession baptism chrismation holy eucharist good works and continued confession/ repentance as needed lifelong obedience to the law of God, the commandments of Christ (10 commandments and everything else Christ commands) that is the plan of salvation

speaking of the 10 commandments, has the catholic church not done
a horrible thing to the 10 commandments??
has the catholic church not changed gods sabath to sunday
( the sun god ) and named jesus, god the son?
is it not breaking the first comm. to pray to mary, calling her the mother of god? where is the mother of god in heaven now,is she
sitting on the left hand side of god, for we know that jesus is sitting
on the right hand side of god. is it not breaking the comm. to call
a man the holy father? there is a lot of cleaning to be done,but it has gone right into the fabric of the church. how do you think god would
judge the church at his coming?
repent and make yourself clean,put on the white robes.
the true church are they that follow the lamb where ever he goes.
not made of bricks and stone

need a true answer to this matter.
anxiously waiting.
wakeup .

 

[zone]

NO, NO, PLEASE ZONE....YOU go first LOL, i can't wait for this one...after all it was YOU calling this FALSE, so by the LAW of debating, it is UP to you to FIRST disclaim. And NOT in the fashion YOU go about disclaiming...you know..INSULT, MOCK, PUT DOWN, ACCUSE, TWIST WORDS etc But by actually GIVING scriptures as the LAWS of this SITE demand....

LOL....i am EAGERLY waiting this one...you make this site a lot of fun Zone....PLEASE....by all means..take the LEAD...you seem comfortable in that capacity anyway...

no way. as i told wakeup, i'll post on The Harlot AFTER the OP makes a full study and backs up the claims.
i need your false doctrine exposed fully first
(it already is elsewhere, but lay it once and for all).
thanks devo.

 

[journey41]

NO, NO, PLEASE ZONE....YOU go first LOL, i can't wait for this one...after all it was YOU calling this FALSE, so by the LAW of debating, it is UP to you to FIRST disclaim. And NOT in the fashion YOU go about disclaiming...you know..INSULT, MOCK, PUT DOWN, ACCUSE, TWIST WORDS etc But by actually GIVING scriptures as the LAWS of this SITE demand....

LOL....i am EAGERLY waiting this one...you make this site a lot of fun Zone....PLEASE....by all means..take the LEAD...you seem comfortable in that capacity anyway...

Dont even bother. She hasn't got a shred of evidence to disprove the scriptures. She's probably going through her books now! I wouldn't waste my time arguing. She's only small fry. Go preach to the big boys! You'll get a better debate and more sense out of them as they will probably open up the scriptures.

 

[zone]

In case theres any confusion on who this MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH IS, and to prove she is the worlds system as we know it,lets go further;

Rev 18: 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine, and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord god who judges her.

Rev 18:9 And the MERCHANTS of the EARTH shall weep and MOURN over her; for NO MAN BUYS their MERCHANDISE any more;

Rev 18:12 The MERCHANISE of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet , and all thyine wood, and all manner vesself of ivery, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble.

Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and iron, odors, and ointments, and frankincence, and wine, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and SOULS OF MEN

Rev 18:14 And the FRUITS that your SOUL LUSTED AFTER are departed from you, and all things which were DAINTY and GOODLY are departed from you, and you shalt find them NO MORE at all

Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, WHAT CITY is like unto THIS GREAT CITY!

Rev 18:23 And the LIGHT of a CANDLE shall shine no more at all in thee; and the VOICE of the BRIDEGROOM and of the BRIDE shall be heard no more at all in thee, for thy merchants were THE GREAT MEN of the earth; for by thy SORCERIES were ALL NATIONS DECIEVED.

all you did was paste Revelation verses in here.
is that it?

WHO and WHERE is she? WHERE is she sitting? what is she doing to the "nations"?

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou are fallen, and REPENT, and do the first works, or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK out of his place, except thou REPENT..

what's this verse doing in a study of Mystery, Babylon The GREAT?
is this what The Holy Spirit told you to speak against the church?

is The Harlot The Church? why is this verse added in?

Jesus destroys Babylon the Great

Rev 19:15 And out of his MOUTH goes a SHARP SWORD, that with it he should SMITE the NATIONS; and he shall RULE THEM with a ROD OF IRON: and he treads the WINEPRESS of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

when does this take place?

Rev 2:16 Repent, or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the SWORD of my MOUTH

Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that GREAT CITY, because she made ALL THE NATIONS drink of the WINE of the WRATH of her FORNICATION..

so, by mixing and matching verses from Rev, you are suggesting The Great Harlot is the church? yes or no?

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

who are those kings in Daniel 4?
when was the Kingdom the God of Heaven set up established? is it yet future?
what broke in pieces those kingdoms in Daniel 4? is that yet future?

So Babylon the Great, is a spiritual city run by the God of this world -Satan. God's spiritual city is called Zion. We either belong to one or the other. The physical city of Babylon the Great will be destroyed as well by Christ at his coming.

which is it? is she a SPIRITUAL CITY? or a PHYSICAL CITY?
does the word CITY really mean just the whole earth?

show me what is meant by the "city".

There will be survivors

, but her SYSTEM, the world's system as we know it ... will be gone forever. Christ will set up a new holy system in Israel for the nations to follow and truth will be taught this time. The scriptures pretty much explain it if you follow it. God bless.

Regards
Journey

Christ will set up a new holy system in Israel for the nations to follow and truth will be taught this time.

God's spiritual city is called Zion

1) what NEW HOLY SYSTEM is that? please document in the text what that system will be. what do you mean when you use the word NATIONS? please show me your text, and word study.

2) so God's spiritual city Zion is actually earthly Jerusalem? and Jesus is coming to establish a whole new system? for 1,000 years? or forever?

3) where will you be at that time, and what will you be doing: document, with witnesses from both Old & New Testament.

 

[zone]

Dont even bother. She hasn't got a shred of evidence to disprove the scriptures. She's probably going through her books now! I wouldn't waste my time arguing. She's only small fry. Go preach to the big boys! You'll get a better debate and more sense out of them as they will probably open up the scriptures.

this is your thread journey.
are you finished yet?

PROVE:

1) who, what and where is Mystery, Babylon THE GREAT.
2) that Daniel's 70th week has not been fulfilled (you need this for your flesh millennium).
3) what this New Holy System is.

 

[Devolution]

Hi Zone,

Im going to purposely jump around here...LOL...can't just make it easy for you...you still have to seek somewhat you understand...we had to figure things out for ourselves too you know. But i do help you greatly nevertheless.

Nahum 3
v1> Woe to the BLOODY CITY, it is all full of lies and robbery, the prey departeth not.
v2> The noise of a whip, the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses, and of the JUMPING CHARIOTS.
v3> The horseman lifteth up both the BRIGHT SWORD and the GLITTERING SPEAR, and there is a MULTITUDE of slain, and a great number of carcasses, they stumble upon their corpses.

(a) Bloody city...am i correct to say YOU recently described ISRAEL as the bloody city ? regardless...Please REMEMBER THIS ONE...BLOODY CITY.
(b) What are jumping chariots? JUMPING CHARIOTS....chariots are types of vehicles...JUMP is to RISE UP into the AIR...could it be JET FIGHTERS? Jets are chariots..vehicles. WHAT chariots of HISTORY ever JUMPED into the air?
(c) Horses are TRANSPORT means, Bright sword etc lifted up and then MULTITUDES are slain...hmm, sounds like modern capabilities...killing with minimal effort...kind of like just squeezing a trigger....easy, effortless.

v4> Because of the multitude of the WHOREDOMS of the WELLFAVOURED HARLOT, the MISTRESS OF WITCHCRAFTS, that SELLETH NATIONS through HER WHOREDOMS, and FAMILIES through HER WITCHCRAFTS...

Hmm, this sounds familiar....

v5> Behold, i am against thee, saith the Lord of Hosts, and i will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and i will shew the NATIONS thy NAKEDNESS, and the kingdoms thy SHAME.

Sound familiar Zone? I will assist...
Rev 17: 16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and NAKED, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Rev 17:18
And the WOMAN which thou sawest is that great CITY, which REIGNETH over the KINGS OF THE EARTH.

A CITY is where MEN DWELL...there are TWO cities...Babylon the Great and Zion...And WITHIN Babylon the Great sits the WHORE...sitting on TOP...Part of....And does Israel rule ALL nations? ALL NATIONS? Of course not. And when the False Prophet sets up there, what happens? World wide WAR breaks out...So even THEN, Israel does NOT rule all nations...NEVER will.

Now remember i said, you can not have the whore without Babylon the great...yet the 10 kings are destroying the whore here? Well, like Journey said...the whore is the MERCHANT SYSTEM, SHE is ALSO RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS, LUSTS, ENVIES, SORCERIES , MURDERS, GREED etc etc AS Journey said...SHE provides ANYTHING men desire...she is PART of Babylon the Great, and she affects men just as a SEDUCTRESS would. She is the worlds temptation leading man away from God.

And the 10 kings are destroying the SYSTEM of the WHORE...NOT destroying the WHORE..but HER SYSTEM. REPLACING her SYSTEM with a NEW WHORE SYSTEM of which the WHORE still presides over...she can't be killed by men, she is SPIRITUAL. She is SYMBOLIC remember...she is made up of MANY attributes...

Now note v6....interesting....

v7> And it shall come to pass, that all they that look upon thee shall flee from thee, and say, NINEVEH is laid waste: who will bemoan her? whence shall i seek COMFORTERS for THEE?

Sound familiar...SEEK in revelation for the LINK :

HERE is the BLOODY CITY...THE WHORE...NINEVEH !!!! NOW YOU KNOW HER IDENTITY. NOT ISRAEL !!! Now scholars will see this and say "HISTORY" !!! LOL, WRONG...God has FOOLED THEM. WHY Nineveh? WHO is Nineveh? Nineveh is of OLD...one of the MAIN TRADE CITY'S BUILT AFTER BABEL and her surrounds were DESTROYED....TRADE CITY....Asshur built it !! CUSH'S descendant...BABEL LINK involved...BABEL'S ONE WORLD SYSTEM...and her DAUGHTERS carried on Babels TEACHINGS/CULTURE/CEREMONIES etc etc Notice: OUT of THAT land where BABEL WAS, NOT the ONE LEADER part...for GOD stopped that, but Babels precepts. And Nineveh was FIRST OUT OF THAT LAND...NINEVEH, REHOBOTH, CALAH....etc...

BABELS "remnant" SURVIVORS...THESE KEPT the WHORE SYSTEM and PROMOTED and PRACTICED the SAME (culture) as BABEL their MOTHER....THEIR "tongue" was Assyrian....God confused the LANGUAGES remember? BUT Nineveh etc KEPT the BABEL tongue!!! NOT the OTHER nations from the SEPARATING, they SPOKE other tongues and developed their own cultures....but NINEVEH Rehoboth etc KEPT Babel's tongue. Them !!

So the basic fabric of Babel was carried on through the centuries as it's system SPREAD to eventually (future) BECOME the great whore..and that SYSTEM of TRADE (discernment please) or WHORE that SPREAD was TAKEN and PLACED in BABYLON !!!! PLACED IN BABYLON !!!! CENTERED !!!! ESTABLISHED with GUIDELINES !!!! ORDER !!!! NOW she can be focused as a true world system to come..ONE system to SPREAD and others to emulate. And did.

Remember the WOMAN in the BASKET carried by angels to Babylon and SET UP? This is SHE. And she was TAKEN...taken from where? THE WORLD !! in assorted systems/forms. Hence BABYLON THE GREAT....she has been here since the beginning....but NOW we see her SET UP as a model system to flourish in the WORLD and to be COPIED and ADOPTED. and WAS.

Read on in Nahum please, notice v11? DRUNKEN !!! Now link that with Jeremiah..LAST DAYS prophecies.

Look at v12 & 13 !!! Link that with revelation.

Look at the build up to v16 !!! Link that (v16) with revelation.

Look at v18 !! Assyria !! Do you know WHO the ASSYRIAN is ? Do you know why God is saying Assyria here? NOT with HISTORY in mind either...God is being SYMBOLIC. He ALWAYS hides His future prophecies in fulfilled past prophecies that run in tangent. Assyria, Nineveh, Babel, Babylon the Great, Edom and others...ALL have meaning SPIRITUALLY and are ONLY found in the BIBLE to be UNDERSTOOD as is MEANT. NOT in other books. You will NEVER find the meanings in mans books. Never. For His wisdom is not for the WISE and MIGHTY but for the BABES (unlearned) Remember that declaration? JESUS' declaration..NOT ours.

Look at v19 !! NO HEALING OF THY BRUISE !!!!!!

NOW go to Nahum from the START...LOOK at the FUTURE prophecies...can you see them?

i will give a tiny help...

Chapter 1
v9> UTTER END of AFFLICTION that shall NOT RISE UP a 2nd Time !!! Once Babylon the Great is destroyed...NEVER AGAIN will MAN RULE.

v10> DRUNKEN !!! again GO to Jeremiah and SEEK.

v11> WICKED COUNSELLOR....do you know who this is?

v12> Hmm a mystery that links to Joel...

v13> HIS YOKE !!!! Who's YOKE?

v14> I WILL MAKE THY GRAVE FOR THOU ART VILE....sound familiar? WHO is this? Seek in Isaiah.

Nineveh is for the advanced. I do not boast, but since we have been mocked by you so severely, i say this to let you know that i UNDERSTAND it ALL very clearly...i have HELPED you a little...YOU do the rest WITHOUT books or men...do it like i did...ON YOUR OWN IN PRAYER for the Holy Spirit to HELP.

AND regarding your accusation of US condemning the CHURCHES...why not READ the CONDEMNATIONS that GOD declared and NOT US....against the churches...GOD DECLARES...you can NOT say WE DO THIS...GOD DOES IT...and will you attack His written warnings?

Anyway, I pray you read it all in HONESTY. I really do.

Regards
Devolution.

 

[wakeup]

hi wakeup.
the Scriptures tell us specifically who and what the Mother of Harlots is.
i'll post the scriptures, but not until i see it explained by the OP here.
zone.

thank you zone,very interesting
may peace be with you.
wakeup.

 

[Devolution]

Zone,
Sorry...I meant Nahum is for the advanced, not Nineveh. And i do not boast either...sometimes we have to be blunt..just like Paul was when constantly provoked. For your words have been very harsh and consistent these last weeks...but i forgive you

Regards
Devolution

 

[wakeup]

Rev 17:5 And apon her forehead was a name written "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

O.k. so it is revealed here that God pictures Babylon the Great as a harlot. What do harlots do? They have many lovers. They are adulterers. They are not loyal to one. They contaminate and spread diseases. They entice single & married men to indulge in their lust. They can offer whatever you want. Take it, it's yours....

God is not talking about a physical woman here. He is talking about a spiritual woman. Babylon has many Gods. Babylon is not faithful to the true God, so in God's eyes she is an adulterer, a harlot. Babylon provides so many different religions, Gods, beliefs...just take your pick. Babylon lies & spreads untruths. Babylon is strong, and she wants you, whatever is closes to your heart, anything you want she can provide. Money, riches, materials, power, religion, lust whatever...she is rolled all into one.

God likens Babylon the Great to a woman, because she produces children. She nurtures them. Her children are harlots and she is the MOTHER of all HARLOTS.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye recieve not of her plagues.

COME OUT OF HER ...MY PEOPLE.. MY PEOPLE.. MY PEOPLE ..MY PEOPLE MY PEOPLE.

Who are these ones God calls his people? Havn't his people washed their sins in the blood of the lamb? Where not they saved through grace only?

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that you are neither cold nor hot: .....

Rev 3:16 So then because you art LUKEWARM, and NEITHER cold nor hot, I will SPEW YOU out of MY MOUTH.

Rev 3:17 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

Rev 18:7 How much she has GLORIFIED HERSELF, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she said in her heart I SIT AS QUEEN, and am NO WIDOW and shall see NO SORROW.

Sound familiar??

Remember the harlot and what she's offering you? Remember those who tell you that you are saved by grace only and to stay comfortable because God has forgiven you...not knowing that grace leads us to repentance, and repentance to knowledge and knowledge to obedience, and obedience to honour, and honour to salvation?....but we went to church every sunday, we sang spiritual songs, we praised his name out loud, we gave our tithes, we brang others in..we walked in the hot sun all day knocking on doors...we shouted from the rooftops..we read the scriptures..we debated..we mocked them for your name...

but wait theres hope...
Rev 3:18 I counsel you to BUYof ME, GOLDtried in the FIRE, that YOUmay be RICH, and WHITE RAIMENT, that YOU may be CLOTHED, and that the SHAME of YOUR NAKEDNESS do NOT APPEAR; and ANNOINT YOUR EYES with EYE SALVE, that YOU MAY SEE

Rev 14:4 These are they which were NOT DEFILED with WOMEN; for they are VIRGINS. These are THEY which FOLLOW the LAMB wherever he goes. These were REDEEMED from among MEN, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto GOD and to the LAMB.

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found NO GUILE: for they are the without fault before the throne of God.

O.k. so this is talking about the 144,000, the firstfruits, we know firstfruits are the first, so something big will happen here. They will be rewarded, it doesn't say anything about them wearing White and being REFINED.?..only Redeemed.....but what about the rest which come later...what do they have to BUY? What do they have to REFINE in the FIRE...When you refine something in the fire you put it through EXTREME HEAT...O.k. Jesus did this, we know this...but it says WE HAVE TO BUY NOW..Jesus already paid the price. He made the purchase. So now I'm confused..it says WE have to BUY.... WHAT DO WE HAVE TO PROOVE?

Rev 19:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and JUDGEMENT was given unto them: and I saw the SOULS of THEM that were BEHEADED for the WITNESS OF JESUS, and for the WORD of GOD, and which had not WORSHIPED the BEAST, neither his IMAGE, neither had recieved HIS MARK upon their FOREHEADS, or in their HANDS. and they LIVED and REIGNED with CHRIST for a THOUSAND YEARS.....

THOUSAND YEARS, THOUSAND YEARS, THOUSAND YEARS. Now the above is mentioning that these people were killed for the Witness of Jesus. To go through that is going to be an incredible heat.....They loved not their lives right up to the very end...

Rev 7:9 After this, I beheld, and, lo, a GREAT MULTIDUDE, which no man could number, of ALL NATIONS, and KINDREDS, and PEOPLE, and TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, CLOTHED with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands.

There it is, We had to buy Gold tried with fire, so that we could be rich, and also WHITE RAIMENT so we could be clothed..These ones are wearing exactly what Christ told us to buy..and they went through some heat...I dont want to scare you, but are you getting my drift?

So, God is warning that HIS PEOPLE are still in BABYLON, unless I've made a big mistake.. HE IS NOT WARNING THE UNBELIEVERS, HE IS WARNING US....YOU, ME, HIS PEOPLE. Come out of her! Come out of Babylon...because if you are one with her then you will also recieve all her plagues. You will be thrown into the same bucket as all the murderers, liars, cheats,adulterers, heathen etc. The same bucket.

In case your confused, Babylon has always been here since the beginning...She is ruled by Satan, the God of this world. Babylon was destroyed way back because of her wickedness, but she still lingers and she's back with a vengeneance. Her wickedness exceeds her past. Her sins have reached unto heaven. She is so great now...Babylon the great is THE WHOLE WORLD. She has been riding on the beast since the beginning. She will be destroyed by Jesus. Let Jesus be your saviour and come out of her while there is still time...prepare for the heat..prepare, prepare,prepare, looks like the only way you will avoid it is if you die before then..God forbid, or if you make it into the 144,000. ..and thats a very very small number with so many christians about..our chances would be so slim...sorry, but its the end result we are after.. salvation. and God will be with us all the way and strengthen us and put his words in us. He will make us face whatever we have to do and if we are not prepared, and the time comes then we will feel so let down and left out and rejected...We will weaken..Havn't we prophesied in your name Lord, havn't we healed and cast out demons? DONT BE DECIEVED.
Regards
Jouney.
Whatever is sin or sinful is Babylon the Great. It is wrong to just say that this is the Roman Catholic church. There are sinners in every church, as every human being is a sinner, in or outside of any church group. All need to repent and seek God. All people need the forgiveness and mercy of Jesus Christ. So no one should feel special or different from others. We all need God's kindness and love. We all need the gift of holiness, which comes not from ourselves; it comes from the grace and presence of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. We need to be born again through the Spirit. All people need Jesus Christ. The only thing that saves us is not preaching, but receiving the blood of Christ's benefits in the sacraments. We need baptism, chrismation, and the eucharist. We need confession of sins. We need repentance to lead to these sacraments
repentance faith in God and in His Church confession baptism chrismation holy eucharist good works and continued confession/ repentance as needed lifelong obedience to the law of God, the commandments of Christ (10 commandments and everything else Christ commands) that is the plan of salvation

no she did not say it is the roman church . she said the world.
the whole system.babylon the great consist of all,religion,commerce,
politics. by the way scott you have not answered my question?
i repeat do you pray to mother mary the mother of god, and do you have images in your church??
wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

Rev 17:5 And apon her forehead was a name written "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

O.k. so it is revealed here that God pictures Babylon the Great as a harlot. What do harlots do? They have many lovers. They are adulterers. They are not loyal to one. They contaminate and spread diseases. They entice single & married men to indulge in their lust. They can offer whatever you want. Take it, it's yours....

God is not talking about a physical woman here. He is talking about a spiritual woman. Babylon has many Gods. Babylon is not faithful to the true God, so in God's eyes she is an adulterer, a harlot. Babylon provides so many different religions, Gods, beliefs...just take your pick. Babylon lies & spreads untruths. Babylon is strong, and she wants you, whatever is closes to your heart, anything you want she can provide. Money, riches, materials, power, religion, lust whatever...she is rolled all into one.

God likens Babylon the Great to a woman, because she produces children. She nurtures them. Her children are harlots and she is the MOTHER of all HARLOTS.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye recieve not of her plagues.

COME OUT OF HER ...MY PEOPLE.. MY PEOPLE.. MY PEOPLE ..MY PEOPLE MY PEOPLE.

Who are these ones God calls his people? Havn't his people washed their sins in the blood of the lamb? Where not they saved through grace only?

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that you are neither cold nor hot: .....

Rev 3:16 So then because you art LUKEWARM, and NEITHER cold nor hot, I will SPEW YOU out of MY MOUTH.

Rev 3:17 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

Rev 18:7 How much she has GLORIFIED HERSELF, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she said in her heart I SIT AS QUEEN, and am NO WIDOW and shall see NO SORROW.

Sound familiar??

Remember the harlot and what she's offering you? Remember those who tell you that you are saved by grace only and to stay comfortable because God has forgiven you...not knowing that grace leads us to repentance, and repentance to knowledge and knowledge to obedience, and obedience to honour, and honour to salvation?....but we went to church every sunday, we sang spiritual songs, we praised his name out loud, we gave our tithes, we brang others in..we walked in the hot sun all day knocking on doors...we shouted from the rooftops..we read the scriptures..we debated..we mocked them for your name...

but wait theres hope...
Rev 3:18 I counsel you to BUYof ME, GOLDtried in the FIRE, that YOUmay be RICH, and WHITE RAIMENT, that YOU may be CLOTHED, and that the SHAME of YOUR NAKEDNESS do NOT APPEAR; and ANNOINT YOUR EYES with EYE SALVE, that YOU MAY SEE

Rev 14:4 These are they which were NOT DEFILED with WOMEN; for they are VIRGINS. These are THEY which FOLLOW the LAMB wherever he goes. These were REDEEMED from among MEN, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto GOD and to the LAMB.

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found NO GUILE: for they are the without fault before the throne of God.

O.k. so this is talking about the 144,000, the firstfruits, we know firstfruits are the first, so something big will happen here. They will be rewarded, it doesn't say anything about them wearing White and being REFINED.?..only Redeemed.....but what about the rest which come later...what do they have to BUY? What do they have to REFINE in the FIRE...When you refine something in the fire you put it through EXTREME HEAT...O.k. Jesus did this, we know this...but it says WE HAVE TO BUY NOW..Jesus already paid the price. He made the purchase. So now I'm confused..it says WE have to BUY.... WHAT DO WE HAVE TO PROOVE?

Rev 19:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and JUDGEMENT was given unto them: and I saw the SOULS of THEM that were BEHEADED for the WITNESS OF JESUS, and for the WORD of GOD, and which had not WORSHIPED the BEAST, neither his IMAGE, neither had recieved HIS MARK upon their FOREHEADS, or in their HANDS. and they LIVED and REIGNED with CHRIST for a THOUSAND YEARS.....

THOUSAND YEARS, THOUSAND YEARS, THOUSAND YEARS. Now the above is mentioning that these people were killed for the Witness of Jesus. To go through that is going to be an incredible heat.....They loved not their lives right up to the very end...

Rev 7:9 After this, I beheld, and, lo, a GREAT MULTIDUDE, which no man could number, of ALL NATIONS, and KINDREDS, and PEOPLE, and TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, CLOTHED with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands.

There it is, We had to buy Gold tried with fire, so that we could be rich, and also WHITE RAIMENT so we could be clothed..These ones are wearing exactly what Christ told us to buy..and they went through some heat...I dont want to scare you, but are you getting my drift?

So, God is warning that HIS PEOPLE are still in BABYLON, unless I've made a big mistake.. HE IS NOT WARNING THE UNBELIEVERS, HE IS WARNING US....YOU, ME, HIS PEOPLE. Come out of her! Come out of Babylon...because if you are one with her then you will also recieve all her plagues. You will be thrown into the same bucket as all the murderers, liars, cheats,adulterers, heathen etc. The same bucket.

In case your confused, Babylon has always been here since the beginning...She is ruled by Satan, the God of this world. Babylon was destroyed way back because of her wickedness, but she still lingers and she's back with a vengeneance. Her wickedness exceeds her past. Her sins have reached unto heaven. She is so great now...Babylon the great is THE WHOLE WORLD. She has been riding on the beast since the beginning. She will be destroyed by Jesus. Let Jesus be your saviour and come out of her while there is still time...prepare for the heat..prepare, prepare,prepare, looks like the only way you will avoid it is if you die before then..God forbid, or if you make it into the 144,000. ..and thats a very very small number with so many christians about..our chances would be so slim...sorry, but its the end result we are after.. salvation. and God will be with us all the way and strengthen us and put his words in us. He will make us face whatever we have to do and if we are not prepared, and the time comes then we will feel so let down and left out and rejected...We will weaken..Havn't we prophesied in your name Lord, havn't we healed and cast out demons? DONT BE DECIEVED.
Regards
Jouney.
Whatever is sin or sinful is Babylon the Great. It is wrong to just say that this is the Roman Catholic church. There are sinners in every church, as every human being is a sinner, in or outside of any church group. All need to repent and seek God. All people need the forgiveness and mercy of Jesus Christ. So no one should feel special or different from others. We all need God's kindness and love. We all need the gift of holiness, which comes not from ourselves; it comes from the grace and presence of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. We need to be born again through the Spirit. All people need Jesus Christ. The only thing that saves us is not preaching, but receiving the blood of Christ's benefits in the sacraments. We need baptism, chrismation, and the eucharist. We need confession of sins. We need repentance to lead to these sacraments
repentance faith in God and in His Church confession baptism chrismation holy eucharist good works and continued confession/ repentance as needed lifelong obedience to the law of God, the commandments of Christ (10 commandments and everything else Christ commands) that is the plan of salvation

can you answer my question, or have you something to hide????
did not the roman church tamper with the 10 comm.?
dismissed the first comm. and split the tenth comm in to two,
to keep it ten???
wakeup.

 

[Israel]

speaking of the 10 commandments, has the catholic church not done
a horrible thing to the 10 commandments??
has the catholic church not changed gods sabath to sunday
( the sun god ) and named jesus, god the son?
is it not breaking the first comm. to pray to mary, calling her the mother of god? where is the mother of god in heaven now,is she
sitting on the left hand side of god, for we know that jesus is sitting
on the right hand side of god. is it not breaking the comm. to call
a man the holy father? there is a lot of cleaning to be done,but it has gone right into the fabric of the church. how do you think god would
judge the church at his coming?
repent and make yourself clean,put on the white robes.
the true church are they that follow the lamb where ever he goes.
not made of bricks and stone

need a true answer to this matter.
anxiously waiting.
wakeup .

Why do we focus on such matters? Is this not to be of a CARNAL mind? Please, I mean no harm as for the most part, I enjoyed reading your posts. But really think about what you are saying.

You stated that the Catholic Church as done a HORRIBLE THING to the 10 commandments. Ask yourself: If the ten commandments are SPIRITUAL, then HOW could any man divide that?


Galatians 5:14

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Catholics changed the day from the Sabbath to Sunday. How? Again, is this not SPIRIT? Will a man who loved his neighbor as himself be in danger of the lake because he worshipped on Sunday? How so? For it is lawful to do good on any day of the week my friend. If you then judge a man of a day named for the sun, why then not judge himself on worshiping on a day ALSO named after a Roman god.

2 Corinthians 3:14-17

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Truly that vail (image, flesh, or letter) is done away with in Christ ( who is that SPIRIT and liberty)

Now more of that liberty.

Does it matter if I call the Messiah Jesus or Yeshua? In the flesh (VAIL) yes it does. This is what Babylon does as in the flesh, Jesus is not Yeshua. Someone has to be wrong. This is a difference of language and CONFUSION. Now, be realistic with yourself. How do we know if anyone is right? For most of us, when we picked up a Bible, it had the name Jesus in it. Some with further study would learn that the name was changed. Feeling that they have a "great truth" some may even condemn a man because he placed his faith in the name of "Jesus" and not "Yeshua" . Now what a man in the ancient past had DONE THE SAME THING? What if most manusripts or scrolls of holy men had stated Yeshua or YHWH, and he dug a little deeper and found what he considered the true name was?

But to have the mind of Christ and truly be transfomed is liberty indeed! Only in the Spirit is Jesus the same as Yeshua.

Revelation 19:11-13

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

 

[zone]

Hi Zone,

Im going to purposely jump around here...LOL...can't just make it easy for you...you still have to seek somewhat you understand...we had to figure things out for ourselves too you know. But i do help you greatly nevertheless.

oh please.
you are back for more?
mkay. i'll play.
in the future can you just use regular text? your ideas are messy enough without the comic fonts and caps and stuff.
thanks.

Nahum 3

v1> Woe to the BLOODY CITY, it is all full of lies and robbery, the prey departeth not.
v2> The noise of a whip, the noise of the rattling of the wheels, and of the pransing horses, and of the JUMPING CHARIOTS.
v3> The horseman lifteth up both the BRIGHT SWORD and the GLITTERING SPEAR, and there is a MULTITUDE of slain, and a great number of carcasses, they stumble upon their corpses.

(a) Bloody city...am i correct to say YOU recently described ISRAEL as the bloody city ? regardless...Please REMEMBER THIS ONE...BLOODY CITY.
(b) What are jumping chariots? JUMPING CHARIOTS....chariots are types of vehicles...JUMP is to RISE UP into the AIR...could it be JET FIGHTERS? Jets are chariots..vehicles. WHAT chariots of HISTORY ever JUMPED into the air?
(c) Horses are TRANSPORT means, Bright sword etc lifted up and then MULTITUDES are slain...hmm, sounds like modern capabilities...killing with minimal effort...kind of like just squeezing a trigger....easy, effortless.

haha.
so, you can go into The Old Testament, drag types and fulfilled events into the future and tell stories....and claim the Holy Spirit taught you?

ok.....i hope you'll just get to the point and prove who Mystery Babylon is
continuing....

hint: use Revelation to interpet.

v4> Because of the multitude of the WHOREDOMS of the WELLFAVOURED HARLOT, the MISTRESS OF WITCHCRAFTS, that SELLETH NATIONS through HER WHOREDOMS, and FAMILIES through HER WITCHCRAFTS...

Hmm, this sounds familiar....

v5> Behold, i am against thee, saith the Lord of Hosts, and i will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and i will shew the NATIONS thy NAKEDNESS, and the kingdoms thy SHAME.

Sound familiar Zone? I will assist...

how embarassing for you.
continuing....

Rev 17: 16

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and NAKED, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Rev 17:18
And the WOMAN which thou sawest is that great CITY, which REIGNETH over the KINGS OF THE EARTH.

ok...finally.
please tell me who/what the ten horns are.
do you actually identify the great city? or do you keep making stuff up?

if you change your story along the way, please have the integrity to admit it.

see, the WOMAN is THE GREAT CITY...not like her, or kinda a broad vision of what she......SHE IS THE CITY.

did you see that?

k...let's see who she is according to you.

A CITY is where MEN DWELL...there are TWO cities...Babylon the Great and Zion...And WITHIN Babylon the Great sits the WHORE...sitting on TOP...Part of....And does Israel rule ALL nations? ALL NATIONS? Of course not. And when the False Prophet sets up there, what happens? World wide WAR breaks out...So even THEN, Israel does NOT rule all nations...NEVER will.

i'm done with this part as far as you are concerned.

7 hills...hmm....7 mountains...let's see...i wonder.

you think you overule what is written?

come back when you figure it out, or not.
hint: HAPPENING NOW

where do you think your $$ went in the "crash" of 08? switzerland? or tel aviv.
oh! did it go TO NINEVAH?

Now remember i said, you can not have the whore without Babylon the great...yet the 10 kings are destroying the whore here? Well, like Journey said...the whore is the MERCHANT SYSTEM, SHE is ALSO RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS, LUSTS, ENVIES, SORCERIES , MURDERS, GREED etc etc AS Journey said...SHE provides ANYTHING men desire...she is PART of Babylon the Great, and she affects men just as a SEDUCTRESS would. She is the worlds temptation leading man away from God.

blah blah blah.
did God mean it when He said this?:

"the WOMAN which thou sawest is that great CITY,"

btw: you can't take the work of others who have rejected this system and slide out from under your own false teachings quite so easily. i know what you have taught and are teaching. you're saying y'all have been directly taught this by The Holy Spirit and the church has it wrong.

too bad you're so badly off base.

you should have considered not claiming Special Revelation, since that means we have a DUTY to test the spirit that's coming from you.

And the 10 kings are destroying the SYSTEM of the WHORE...NOT destroying the WHORE..but HER SYSTEM. REPLACING her SYSTEM with a NEW WHORE SYSTEM of which the WHORE still presides over...she can't be killed by men, she is SPIRITUAL. She is SYMBOLIC remember...she is made up of MANY attributes...

is she?

Remember the WOMAN in the BASKET carried by angels to Babylon and SET UP? This is SHE. And she was TAKEN...taken from where? THE WORLD !! in assorted systems/forms. Hence BABYLON THE GREAT....she has been here since the beginning....but NOW we see her SET UP as a model system to flourish in the WORLD and to be COPIED and ADOPTED. and WAS.

LOL.
of course i remember the woman in the ephah....

SHE WAS TAKEN FROM WHERE? THE WORLD?

OH MY.

you're hooked on Jeremiah...you keep dragging him into the future. better go back and read his visions.

where did he say the basket went FROM? tell us again devo.

hint: JERUSALEM....

Look at v18 !! Assyria !! Do you know WHO the ASSYRIAN is ? Do you know why God is saying Assyria here? NOT with HISTORY in mind either...God is being SYMBOLIC. He ALWAYS hides His future prophecies in fulfilled past prophecies that run in tangent.

i will give a tiny help...

a tiny help?
what a mess.
point everywhere but at the GREAT CITY.

keep going devo. sometimes we can come to the truth by staring at what is false.

Chapter 1

v9> UTTER END of AFFLICTION that shall NOT RISE UP a 2nd Time !!! Once Babylon the Great is destroyed...NEVER AGAIN will MAN RULE.

so.....man isn't ruling since 'ninevah'?
or...'babel'....or 'assyria'?

who is Babylon The GREAT, and when is she destroyed?

get your story straight devo.

Nineveh is for the advanced. I do not boast, but since we have been mocked by you so severely, i say this to let you know that i UNDERSTAND it ALL very clearly...i have HELPED you a little...YOU do the rest WITHOUT books or men...do it like i did...ON YOUR OWN IN PRAYER for the Holy Spirit to HELP.

i do feel somewhat sorry for you at this point.
helped me?

devo if you only knew how serious your errors are you'd be quiet.

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.

 

[zone]

Zone,
Sorry...I meant Nahum is for the advanced, not Nineveh. And i do not boast either...sometimes we have to be blunt..just like Paul was when constantly provoked. For your words have been very harsh and consistent these last weeks...but i forgive you

Regards
Devolution

go read your own posts.
i don't claim Special Revelation devo...that claim puts you in a special category: you are either speaking by the Power of The Spirit directly, or you are speaking via another spirit.

your doctrine is false, therefore you are a false teacher.

repent.