Lafftur said,
I used to think Salvation and being Born Again were the same but they’re not. Salvation first, then Born Again.
(My Question: If there are 2 forms of salvation. How would you reckon these verses?
1 Cor 12:13 For by one [Holy] Spirit we were all baptized into one body, [spiritually transformed—united together] whether Jews or Greeks (Gentiles), slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one [Holy] Spirit [since the same Holy Spirit fills each life].
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+12&version=AMP
Col 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, but by the [spiritual] circumcision of Christ in the stripping off of the body of the flesh [the sinful carnal nature]
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2&version=AMP
Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ [into a spiritual union with the Christ, the Anointed] have clothed yourselves with Christ [that is, you have taken on His characteristics and values].
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3&version=AMP
Eph 4:
4 There is one body [of believers] and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when called [to salvation]
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4&version=AMP
All links provided are Bible source only.
(MY NOTE: 1 Lord, 1 faith, ONE BAPTISM!
Second Question: How would you reckon these salvation verses? Here again. all links provided are Bible source only.
Eph 1:
13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].
14 The Spirit is the [e]guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: Written to believers [Eph 1:2]. You heard & believed & were stamped & "sealed' with God's H/S. It's a spiritual covenant seal. Also see 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Tim 1:14, 2 Cor 5:5. And NO mention of water needed.
1 Cor 15:
1 Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].
2 By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],
4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold]
1 Corinthians 15 AMP - The Fact of Christ’s Resurrection - Bible Gateway
(MY NOTE: Cor written to believers [1Cor 1:2]. Vs (1) The good news of salvation you received & stand by thru Faith. Vs (2) Thru this Faith you were: Reborn from above, spiritually transformed & set apart for His purpose]. No water needed!)
Lastly, Lafftur said,
Saved AND Born Again can all happen together- like with the Gentiles at Cornelius’ house.
(MY NOTE: Not all together, they already have been: Thru Faith, Reborn from above, spiritually transformed & apart for His purpose]
Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). And they were spiritually sealed. No water was applied for this action/spiritual sealing.
Role of the Spirit
Jn 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another [c]Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor—Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), to be with you forever
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14&version=AMP
MY NOTE: The Comforter {translators Capitalized showing deity} = Holy Spirit. Whom we receive thru Faith & will abide with us FOREVER!!!
Lafftur, May His grace be multiplied to you & yours. FD