Baptized With Fire

See_KING_Truth · Jan 22, 2012

Have you ever thought what was meant when it was said that Christ would baptize with fire? I bring this up for discussion, since I am curious to see others thoughts on this subject.

Matthew 3:10-12
King James Version (KJV)
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

John 15:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
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What do you think was meant when it was said that Jesus will baptize with fire?

Will a person who is baptized with the Holy Spirit not need to be baptized with fire also? Or will both baptisms take place?

John baptized with water unto repentance, but Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit and fire unto repentance. Does this mean that those who are cast into the fire are done unto such; so that they will repent, and therefore, still see the kingdom of heaven?

Is this fire, the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation?

Revelation 20
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
(Notice here, it doesn’t include those who worshipped the image of the beast in the tormenting of day and night for ever and ever; but only the devil, the beast, and the false prophet.)

*Excuse the font formatting this was copied and pasted from a word document.

resurrection33 · Jan 22, 2012

See_KING_Truth said:

Have you ever thought what was meant when it was said that Christ would baptize with fire? I bring this up for discussion, since I am curious to see others thoughts on this subject.

Matthew 3:10-12
King James Version (KJV)
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

John 15:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
______________________________________________________________________________
What do you think was meant when it was said that Jesus will baptize with fire?

Will a person who is baptized with the Holy Spirit not need to be baptized with fire also? Or will both baptisms take place?

John baptized with water unto repentance, but Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit and fire unto repentance. Does this mean that those who are cast into the fire are done unto such; so that they will repent, and therefore, still see the kingdom of heaven?

Is this fire, the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation?

Revelation 20
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
(Notice here, it doesn’t include those who worshipped the image of the beast in the tormenting of day and night for ever and ever; but only the devil, the beast, and the false prophet.)

*Excuse the font formatting this was copied and pasted from a word document.

Jesus gave us commandments. When we discover we are breaking these commandments, and experience the consequences of doing so, it feels like we are on fire inside.

Israel · Jan 22, 2012

It is the baptism of death. There is but one and we all go through it. In the O.T. it was called the circumcision of the flesh. In the Spirit, it is the fire that destroys all that is shaken, so that which remains and stands lasts forever. The carnal mind is cast in the fire upon death. Your carnal name is cast in the fire, who you once knew as your mother or sister, your father or brother is cast in the fire! In that day, it will all melt away.

Revelation 21:4-6

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

HhhLGA89 · Jan 22, 2012

I think it means some he will give the Holy Spirit to and the others He will send to hell.

Steve4U · Jan 22, 2012

I am interested in this.

Could someone also comment on "being on fire for the Lord'. Is it just a (rather unscriptural) expression of enthusiasm?

resurrection33 · Jan 22, 2012

Steve4U said:

I think this simply means one has great enthusiasm for doing the Lord’s will.

See_KING_Truth · Jan 22, 2012

Israel said:

If you are saying that this fire is used as a process of refining of spirits, then I agree. However, I am not sure if everybody goes through this ''trial by fire" or not.

If anybody has any scripture that they will post to offer more understanding on this, it would be must appreciated

See_KING_Truth · Jan 22, 2012

Steve4U said:

From what I can see, being on fire for the Lord is the same as being hot, as opposed to being cold or just lukewarm as mentioned in scripture:

Revelation 3:15-17

King James Version (KJV)

15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Israel · Jan 22, 2012

See_KING_Truth said:

Ephesians 4:4-7

4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

The scripture says we are baptised into His death. No man living can argue that one day they will die.

2knowhim · Jan 22, 2012

See_KING_Truth said:

There are over 500 verses that talk about The Fire,
It would do one well to study them all and see how they are used.

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Forest · Jan 22, 2012

See_KING_Truth said:

The baptism of fire is done over and over as we live our lives here in this world. The verse that you have quoted after your sign off (James 1:2-3) explains pretty well what the baptism of fire is. It is the trials and tribulations here in this world which are beneficial to the born again child of God. 1 Pet 1:6, Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptions; That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.1 Pet 4:12, Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you; But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Forest · Jan 22, 2012

Steve4U said:

YES. It is just a man made term.

Grandpa · Jan 23, 2012

Fire is for refining. It removes the impurities. The trials of this life are this refining, this fire. They are designed to remove the impurities. Everything that is not fruit of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit will help to remove.

Where the rubber truly hits the road what do you believe? What is your faith in?

James 1:2-5
2My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

RedTent · Jan 23, 2012

Acts 2:3
They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
There were tongues of fire at Pentecost. Fire can be used as a symbol of the Holy Spirit.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2012

I think the best thing to do is look at the text itself.

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[b] 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

What we see here is two different baptisms. Baptism of course is a Greek verb, which means to immerse, plunge or place into. John of course is trying to differentiate his baptism in water. With the one the comming messiah would be baptizing with.

John uses a well known farming tool called a winnowing fan. Farmers used this fan to separate the wheat from the chaff. the wheat was placed in the barn, the chaff was burned with fire. So this figure is not something that was not known at the time, Although today it is not well known.

As we see, the two colors show what happen with the two baptisms. One is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. it is this baptism in which the wheat is placed into the barn. It is this baptism which Jesus spoke of. and peter witnessed. Paul mentions it in Romans 6, 1 cor 13 and in colossians, where he speaks of a spiritual baptism where we are spiritually circumcised by the hands of God. It is through this baptism that those who come to Christ are washed By God, made clean and born again (titus 3:5)

if we look at the red, we will see what will happen to all other people. They will be baptized (immersed or placed into) Fire. And the word which should tell us all what this means is the type of fire. It is a fire that will never be quenched. There is only one eternal fire spoken of in Scripture. and that would be the fires of Hell. Which all who reject the grace gift Christ came to offer will suffer with Satan and his demons.

The point john is trying to make is he baptizes in water, Great, But the one we need to look for is the one coming after him. For he will baptize all men either with the HS or with Fire.

It is basically a warning for all of us. How do we want God to baptize us? With the HS, or with Fire. Because he will baptize all of us. It depends on our faith, or lack of, in Christ which baptism this will be!

2knowhim · Jan 23, 2012

There is only ONE Baptism, not two.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God,

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

The only way The fire is Eternal is because God is Eternal.

Hell has NOTHING to do with Eternal Punishment
Hell is cast into the Lake of Fire.

The only time fire is mention with Hell is when Jesus was talking
about Gehenna, The Garbage dump outside the City.

That is where the chaff goes, thats where the worm dieth not.
They continually burned what was considered "Garbage".

If God does not burn the Chaff within us continually, how will we
ever be transformed into His Image?

The wheat and the chaff are within each of us, just as the tares
and the wheat.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2012

2knowhim said:

Yes there is only one baptism which saves. Yet scripture speaks of many baptisms.

The Baptism of the HS saves. It is a part of the one lord, one faith, one everything.

The wheat goes to the barn. The chaff gets burned with a fire that will burn forever. As scripture says, there will be weeping and nashing of teeth, the worm (soul) will not die.

2knowhim · Jan 23, 2012

Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Dan 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

Theres much more to this story but I think I've pull up
enought to show, that for us who take part in the first
resurrection, the fire is nothing to fear, for it is a purging
purifying fire.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 23, 2012

2knowhim said:

Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 2:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Dan 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
Dan 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

Theres much more to this story but I think I've pull up
enought to show, that for us who take part in the first
resurrection, the fire is nothing to fear, for it is a purging
purifying fire.

Better yet. For us who take part of the first ressurection, there will BE NO FIRE. Because CHRISTS BLOOD has CLEANSED US from ALL SIN

There needs not be a purifying fire when we are cleansed completely. As Jesus said, by the words which he gave us.

Hell is not a purifying fire. it is a fire of punishment for all who reject Christ.

2knowhim · Jan 23, 2012

eternally-gratefull said:

"Sigh"

Where did I say Hell was a purifying fire?
Are you even trying to understand what I'm saying?
or are you just opposed to everything I say?

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