" Be not deceived" some scripture

sevenseas · Jul 29, 2017

well, another hot one here and lots to do

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

its not just the Lords prayer that some make irrelevant but all Jesus came and taught the World and then sent His disciples to teach the world. its why for over a year myself and wuite a few others have been saying that sound doctrine matters, and that flase doctrine has spread like paul said it would " like gangrene" when sinners Hear a doctrine that explains how Jesus said that before the cross so it no longer applies as many will say, it removes the Lords Word and that Has always been His power. He said " Let there be light...and light began to shine from Darkness. thats what the Gospel does through Jesus word it takes the darkness in our Heart and makes the light begin to shine forth.

the 4 gospels are the Word of God and the foundation of everything in scripture, if its the foundation the ot makes sense and we Know not to stone sinners or slaughter animals or things Like that, and it also gives understanding to the things the apostles were saying. when they are talking about following the spirit...we would have no clue what that meant without the things Jesus said about the holy spirit. we would not understand many of the things Paul, peter, john, james ect poke of they would be phrases we didnt get.

the Light of truth is where we have to begin, there is no way to the Father without Jesus. these mega pastor author offering a new special way to see Gods word are destroying the minds of believers Like a cancer spreading from one member to the next. the message is always appealing and it actually turns one against the truth of Jesus Christs plain and precious Word meant for all the World who will believe. the whole bible is of Great value, but the corner stone, the foundation are The Words of Jesus Christ and also His death , resurrection and ascention. the truth of the Gospel cannot be tossed out or made less than what it is.

But the world wants something different, and theres plenty of men inventing new ways of salvation that will sell to the world. Jesus will never fail to be right, true and eternally the word of God before all else, the proper order of scripture is the Gospel, and then the rest will be clear to anyone regarding any subject. its al discerned through the Law of the spirit of Life, the Gospel from matthew to the final words of John. all else testifies of Jesus supports or elaborates on His Words, or the ot is what lead up to and promised His Coming.

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

loveme1 said:

that is a great and spot on post !! im reminded of this after reading your wonderful post there

daniel 10:10-12 "And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands. 11And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.

12Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

Gods will is that we seek Him, seek His word to understand and we should fear because when we do His response is always " do not be afraid" thank you for that Great insightful comment there !!

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

totally deceived and spreading it willfully. if God is God all He said is His Word. you cannot go around what Jesus said and be saved by explaining with whatever bizzare explaination and still have salvation. the thing you never can produce is a single scripture saying " you need to decide who Jesus was speaking to. were all sinners all the same in His eyes whether Jew or gentile, male , female, old, young, white , black smart, not so bright.......

there is not a single scripture in the Bible that will even come close to suggesting that we need to omit a single word. by your logice bruce, nothing in the Bible would apply to anyone because its all written to people who are long dead from this world. so nothing was written to anyone that is alive here and now by that ridiculous logic. Jesus Christ is the Lord of people who died in the flood and people who are being born today, or will be here when the sky disappears. His words will not change, lose authority or need to be ommited by a false doctrine, nor is there a special " lens" we need before we see His words. i hope you continue to give a good example of Hos destructive to the thinking a flase doctrune like the gog really is.

any christian who is authentic will always believe Jesus above someone telling you to change what He said because he wasnt speaking directly to you. if thats the case the bible is irrelevant. I assure you though, its not never has been or will be different because of false doctrines invented of man, to exploit others and sell for a " Love gift" of 45 dollars or more. any new age "salvation" that cant accepot the Word of Jesus Christ, is false. thats the definition of false anything that opposes the eternal truth that will never change, morph or be insufficient.

you should stop and turn to the Lord Jesus Hes there with open arms and has Laid out the truth for you or anyone else to believe and be saved

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

sevenseas said:

i love the length personally really great stuff please continue as you have time !! really sound stuff

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

sevenseas said:

Jesus is teaching what the spirit of prayer looks like the framework of How our prayers should look. its not to repeat repetitiously but the spirit of what He is teaching there Helps us who believe pray the right way if you examine His prayers elsewhere you find they also have much to teach us about prayer and the framework of prayer. the spirit of what prayer should be like, not by the letter, but the intent and disposition, the inclusive principles of prayer

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

loveme1 said:

amen because the spirit comes through His testimony which is what actually changed everything, the receiving of the spirit changes US not Gods Word !!!

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

sevenseas said:

little children are also innocent from the heart they arent scheming or refusing to believe what the Father says and telling Him the " real truth" little children will believe anything thier parents say, and also it shapes them and equips them with wisdom in doing so

Grandpa · Jul 29, 2017

loveme1 said:

That is true.

But the gospel is NOT working at the law.

Galatians 3:10-12
[FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

So, how does a person keep the commandments of GOD but not work at the law?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

By resting in Christ.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Here's the fruit;

Galatians 5:22-23
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[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The Lord Jesus has taken away the requirement of our work at the law by His fulfilling it.

Colossians 2:14-17
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[FONT=&quot]14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Lord Jesus fulfills the law in us by His Holy Spirit. Not by our work and understanding.

Resting in Christ is how the Commandments of GOD are kept and those who do also have the testimony of Christ.

Those who are still working at the law can't have this testimony...

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loveme1 · Jul 29, 2017

Grandpa said:

You are without understanding... by Faith is through the Testimony of the Messiah... by hearing and doing.

We keep them because the Messiah teaches us to... you have not yet believed.

The verses you share are in support of the New Covenant in place of the Old.... but you see it not.

Set your heart on receiving the Truth and be set you free by the Grace of GOD.

You are making a Covenant for yourself...

Those preferiing the Old can not partake in the New because of unbelief.

The Lord actually told us to up our game... our righteousness is to exceed... we are to be perfect.

Your verses are wonderful and true but they are complete in their chapter... line upon line...

Love is the difference for sure.

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

Grandpa said:

"in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

thats the key phrase there. the book of the Mosaic Law.

Deuteronomy 31"24-27 "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26Take this book of the law, and put it beside of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. 27For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

the ark is called the "ark of the covenant" for this reason

deuteronomy 10:2-4 "And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark. 3And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand. 4And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

when the ten commandments were placed inside the ark, it became the ark of the Covenant Law, the ten commandments, the Mosaic Law was the book written By moses that contained all of the things you are referring to, stone the sinner, keep every jot and tittle every ordinance, every rule to the letter. some 300 plus individual decrees were in the book of the Law. it was ALWAYS seperate from the ten commandments. the book was placed beside the ark wich contained the covenant of Gods ten commandments the ones He wrote with His finger, then moses broke when He came down because they people had the calf and were worshipping it. God wrote those again and then they were placed within the Ark.

the witnes against them was the book of the Mosaic Law it was placed beside the ark, Hebrews confims what was inside the ark

Hebrews 9:4 "Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

so then this makes perfect sence Knowing the book of the Law was for a witness against sinners

colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, <<< (the book of the mosaic Law) which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; "

Notice the arks design, Gods Glory was Just above the mercy seat, and placed Beside the ark was the witness against us, the book of the Law. well Now we have seated Beside Gods Glory on His throne, THE WORD of God Jesus, who is not a witness against us, but an advocate FOR us.

romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1 john 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

the ten commandments were never nailed to the cross, nor were they against or contrary to us. there is no condemnation in them. the condemnation was in the book of the Mosaic Law, with all of its ordinances and harsh punishments of death sentances for many many things. the commandments are never taken from man, only the book of Law because it was Given for the purpose of witnesing agaoinst those who lived contrary to the commandments, the covenany Law. Notice the Ark is sen in the heavenly tabernacle in revelation, but not the book of the Law? thats because Jesus takes the book of the Law from the right Hand of God in revelation 5, and is seated and exalted as He takes it. He took what was against us away, and became the witness beside God intervening for us and advocating for us.

He has this right because He shed His blood to pay for us as was Gods Plan of salvation all along. the ten commandments are not invalid or removed, Jesus makes us able to keep thos without Being as they were then, the commandments then to unspiritual people was an oppression they begged Moses to not Let God speak any more after He spoke the ten commandments to them. to that responds God.

deuteronomy 18:15-19 "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

this is a promise to send Jesus confirmed in acts 3 the latter half of that chapter. and several times Jesus says " i am the One God sent, im speaking Gods Words" Jesus Gospel is what God would have said, had the people not been terrified to hear anymore at Horeb. it is not against us as they supposed , but Gods Word is for us. the gospel is the true Law of the Spirit and it Gives Life . this also confirmed over and over in the prophets

loveme1 · Jul 29, 2017

followjesus said:

"in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

thats the key phrase there. the book of the Mosaic Law.

Deuteronomy 31"24-27 "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26Take this book of the law, and put it beside of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. 27For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

the ark is called the "ark of the covenant" for this reason

deuteronomy 10:2-4 "And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark. 3And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand. 4And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

when the ten commandments were placed inside the ark, it became the ark of the Covenant Law, the ten commandments, the Mosaic Law was the book written By moses that contained all of the things you are referring to, stone the sinner, keep every jot and tittle every ordinance, every rule to the letter. some 300 plus individual decrees were in the book of the Law. it was ALWAYS seperate from the ten commandments. the book was placed beside the ark wich contained the covenant of Gods ten commandments the ones He wrote with His finger, then moses broke when He came down because they people had the calf and were worshipping it. God wrote those again and then they were placed within the Ark.

the witnes against them was the book of the Mosaic Law it was placed beside the ark, Hebrews confims what was inside the ark

Hebrews 9:4 "Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

so then this makes perfect sence Knowing the book of the Law was for a witness against sinners

colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, <<< (the book of the mosaic Law) which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; "

Notice the arks design, Gods Glory was Just above the mercy seat, and placed Beside the ark was the witness against us, the book of the Law. well Now we have seated Beside Gods Glory on His throne, THE WORD of God Jesus, who is not a witness against us, but an advocate FOR us.

romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1 john 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

the ten commandments were never nailed to the cross, nor were they against or contrary to us. there is no condemnation in them. the condemnation was in the book of the Mosaic Law, with all of its ordinances and harsh punishments of death sentances for many many things. the commandments are never taken from man, only the book of Law because it was Given for the purpose of witnesing agaoinst those who lived contrary to the commandments, the covenany Law. Notice the Ark is sen in the heavenly tabernacle in revelation, but not the book of the Law? thats because Jesus takes the book of the Law from the right Hand of God in revelation 5, and is seated and exalted as He takes it. He took what was against us away, and became the witness beside God intervening for us and advocating for us.

He has this right because He shed His blood to pay for us as was Gods Plan of salvation all along. the ten commandments are not invalid or removed, Jesus makes us able to keep thos without Being as they were then, the commandments then to unspiritual people was an oppression they begged Moses to not Let God speak any more after He spoke the ten commandments to them. to that responds God.

deuteronomy 18:15-19 "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

this is a promise to send Jesus confirmed in acts 3 the latter half of that chapter. and several times Jesus says " i am the One God sent, im speaking Gods Words" Jesus Gospel is what God would have said, had the people not been terrified to hear anymore at Horeb. it is not against us as they supposed , but Gods Word is for us. the gospel is the true Law of the Spirit and it Gives Life . this also confirmed over and over in the prophets

I was was going to suggest he look in to the set up... how wonderful you shared it. GOD Bless you.

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

loveme1 said:

yeah sorry for intervening there lol when a good subject comes up i cant seem to be quiet if i have something that may help

Im glad it wasnt an offense to you and hope it wasnt to granpa. maybe i need to learn to shhhhhh sometimes , but i find that a struggle. God bless you sister. again pardon my interupption

loveme1 · Jul 29, 2017

followjesus said:

Certainly not... you did well to share it... it came to mind but passed probably because Grandpa and I are no strangers... we often contend.

I just read Luke 24... oh I do marvel...

I consider that many have come to believe that the 10 Commandments of GOD are the same as the book of Moses... not knowing that all that was given to Moses was to cover the sins... Sacrifices and offerings...

If we consider the Old was the 10 Commandments and the law of Moses to cover transgression until the Messiah came to give The New Covenant where we would have God's law written on our hearts and in our minds through believing His Testimony.

If we Truly Keep the Greatest Commandment and the one like it are the 10 Commandments not kept in a loving obedience.

Grandpa · Jul 29, 2017

followjesus said:

How Ironic!!! Isn't it you who started this thread? Be not deceived... lol

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The 10 commandments, written on stone are the ministration of Death and Condemnation.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If you don't even know what the law of sin and death is, if you insist that it actually isn't the law of sin and death, then you obviously haven't been made free of it.

Colossians 2:14-17
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[FONT=&quot]14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

It appears some of the jots and tittles were mere shadows. Blotted out by the Light of Christ.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In order for Paul to have written his epistles some jots and tittles must have passed from the law. Heaven and Earth are still here... So there is really only one possibility left... I'll let you work it out. Or not...[/FONT]

Stephen63 · Jul 29, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Here is a view of Matthew 6 and forgiveness through the finished work of Christ. I like to use this site sometimes as it has a place at the bottom of the article where people can ask questions. Many of us have the same questions.

Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15)

The gospel that Jesus revealed declares that God loves you like a father, he holds nothing against you, and he longs for his sons and daughters to come home. It’s the good news an orphaned world desperately needs to hear.
So why did Jesus say this:

For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matt 6:14-15)

This sounds like bad news, as though you must earn God’s forgiveness through works of forgiveness. How are we to read these words? I’m going to give you three interpretations, and then you can choose.

1. Jesus is preaching law

As many grace preachers have said (including me in this post), Jesus was preaching law to those who lived under law.

Jesus was the greatest law preacher of all time. He preached law so the self-righteous would see their desperate need for grace.

The old law-keeping covenant has gone but the self-righteous who remain need to hear the harsh words of Jesus. The truth is you cannot earn God’s forgiveness. The measure of forgiveness we need is infinitely greater than any forgiveness we could show to others.

Did Jesus put price tags on forgiveness? In this passage, he does! But on the cross he paid that price on our behalf. The very condition for forgiveness that Jesus preached on the Mount, he fulfilled on the cross. Only in Christ do we receive the Father’s forgiveness.

2. Jesus is describing the fruit of grace

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. (1 John 4:20)

Taylor Swift sang “Haters gonna hate,” but the lyrics are from John. Haters gonna hate because hate is in their heart. The fruit reveal the tree. But if you have been apprehended by the love of your heavenly Father you won’t be a hater anymore. You’ll be a lover and a forgiver.

Paul wrote, “Forgive as the Lord forgave you” (Col 3:13) and that’s the proper order. God acts, we respond. But if we don’t respond it’s as if God never acted. Do you see the connection? If we don’t believe God has forgiven us then Christ died for nothing. That’s what Jesus is saying here:

In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can’t get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God’s part. (Matt 6:14-15, MSG)

Unforgiveness is a form of bondage. It’s a grace killer. If you are unable to release forgiveness to others, you’ll have trouble experiencing the forgiveness that God has given to you.

It’s not that God will become unloving and travel back through time and stop Jesus from carrying your sins on the cross. God never changes! But if you don’t respond to what he has done, it’s as if he’d never done it. Grace without faith is worthless.

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, Jesus tells the story of a king who forgives an indebted servant (Matt 18:23-35). But the servant is unchanged by the king’s grace. By choosing to remain graceless and unforgiving the servant reveals his contempt for the gift and the giver. He does not, “Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” Instead he scorns grace and ends up miserable.

And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses. (Mark 11:25-26)

Again, there are two ways to read this: (1) as a law the self-righteous must obey if they are to keep up their charade, or (2) as an exhortation to walk in the grace of a Father who has already forgiven you in Christ.

“Paul, how can you say God has forgiven you when Jesus says he may forgive you?” Because I’ve seen the cross!

To forgive is to send your sins away and Jesus did that already. He will never do it again and you cannot undo what he has done (Heb 9:26). Because of Jesus God is no longer counting your sins against you (2 Cor 5:19).

The issue is not “what can I get God to do?” but “what God has done and what can I now do because of what he has done.”

Has someone hurt you? Are you the victim of an unforgiveable crime? By the grace of God you can be free from that wound! Don’t hold onto the sins of others like the unforgiving servant. You’ll be miserable. The flow of grace will be poisoned by the bitter root. Let go of sin and take hold of grace. Be better, not bitter. See the cross. See what Jesus did for you them forgive them in Jesus’ Name and be free!

3. It’s both, for Jesus speaks to all of us at our point of need

What you look through determines what you see. If you are trusting in your own performance, you will read Jesus’ words as law. “I must work to earn God’s forgiveness.” You cannot succeed! When life hurts you this law will condemn you as a law-breaker in need of grace, and the sooner that happens the better.

However, if you are trusting in Christ’s righteousness, you will read his words as an exhortation to walk in grace. You want more grace? Then give from the abundant supply he has given to you. Let no bitter root grow that causes you to fall short of grace (Heb 12:15).

Jesus spoke words the whole world needs to hear. The genius of Jesus was that he could speak to crowds of people and meet everyone – the self-righteous and the hungry – at their point of need.

It’s a mistake to dismiss the words of Jesus as irrelevant or old covenant or pre-cross. If it’s in the Bible it’s useful for training in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16). The words of Jesus either reveal the self-righteousness that leads to death or the Christ-righteousness that causes you to reign in life!

The followers of Jesus still know that he has the words of eternal life!

Here is the link below if anyone is interested in looking at the questions. I often learn from those questions as they are usually common ones that we all may have. Bless you!

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/08/...tthew-6v14-15/

This is Paul Ellis' website. Paul Ellis is a hypergrace preacher & has confessed it.

Start a thread about any false teacher/preacher, & G777 will stand with that false teacher like clockwork.

If hypergrace is heresy, so is the teaching of its followers.

Stephen63 · Jul 29, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

So, I guess Peter and Paul had no idea of what Jesus said there before the Cross when they preached the gospel of the grace of Christ?

Look at the word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of Christ being preached and no where does it say to "forgive first or you will not be forgiven" I'll give you the exact scripture references . Peter - Acts 10:43 and Paul Acts 13:38

Have you ever heard Billy Graham say " Forgive people first before you come to receive Christ's forgiveness"?..of course not..it is anti-the gospel.

It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by mad-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.

The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us. We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.

This short video will show you the context of those scriptures in Matt 7.

[video=youtube;Ujyb683RNtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujyb683RNtM[/video]

According to Paul Ellis, Andrew Farley is a gog preacher.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/07/21/an-open-letter-to-pastors-from-the-author-of-the-hyper-grace-gospel/

followjesus · Jul 29, 2017

Grandpa said:

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

so then saying thou shalt not have any other Gods before me.....thats condemnation to you? it is to those who have other Gods

or saying thou shalt not commit adultery? thats condemnation to you? it is to adulterers

or saying thou shalt not Kill ? thats condemnation to you? it is to a murderer

or saying thou shalt not covet? thats condemnation to you? a supposed reborn person with the spirit of God who said that ? thats condemnation to you ????? or is it condemnation to those who seek to do those things?

the ministration of the commandments WAS THE MOSAIC LAW lol the part that condemns is not thou shalt not commit adultery...its " if anyone is caught in adultery they surely must be put to death both the woman and man must be stoned, purge the sin from among you. <<<< that would be condemnation a sentance of death.

same with all the commandments they were minsitered to the People through the Mosaic Law that condemned sinners.

to Hear thou shalt not commit adultery, How does that condemn anyone? im interested seriously in your response as to How Gods Law written By His Hand, and spoken on Mount horeb saying ten things Just like that do not commit adultery.....How does that condemn a person woith Gods spirit in them? More right would mean the Spirit would rejoice and fully agree with that statement " sure Lord why would i commit adultery its evil according to you my God"

by the way does paul disregard the commandments?

romans 13:8-10 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

it seems as if paul is not saying forget the commandments they will condemn you at all doesnt it? and Hes rather saying the commandments all of them are summarized briefly in this one saying Love thy neighbor as thyself. im not sure paul was telling people the Law was a bad thing at all...He actually says

romans 7:For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. ( did the commandment kill? or did sin Kill sinners by the good , just and holy commandment?)

13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

so if the Law is spiritual....and we have received the spirit and are told " follow the spirit not the flesh"......then whats the issue with the good , holy and just commandments of your God?

do yu not Get the issue what it was? and the solution to the issue?

romans 7 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

seems paul is definately not saying the commandments are the law of sin is he? isnt He saying that within man is a law that causes us to sin?????? and whats the solution?

romans 8 paul continues

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( remember paul is just explaining about the Law of sin within us) 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. ( remember He just said the commandment is spiritual and good) 6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

it seems as if the solution was to send the spirit and for us to follow the spirit, that we can fulfill the Law of Gods commandments. you Know the spirit that sets us free from the Law of sin within our Hearts? that causes us to see Gods Law as an evil or condemnation

a born of Gods Spirit person will never see His commandments as a burden and certainly not condemnation. there is no condemnation in them whatsoever. they simply say thou shalt not do this, the only opeople who see them as a bad thing are those who are following the flesh nature, that is corrupt with the Law of sin living within us that paul explainse quite thouroughly in chapter 7.

Paul endorses the commandments completely when He says all the commandments are summarized By Love one another because its not Love to cheat on a spouse, to steal from another, to lie and all thos things we can say i love you, but if we are commiting those things were not Loving anyone

1 john 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

they seem quite greivous to many on this forum to me , i didnt realize you were one of those that take such issues with Gods commandments. maybe theres a reason why? thou shalt not Lie? would condemn a liar, thou shalt not commit adultery would condemn an adulterer.........might want to learn to Love the ten commandments and Keep them. if you wish to do that without greivance try learning the gospel and it will teach you to Love and accept the commandments and therefore Keep them and truly be Loving because Love has to do with our actions

i jonh 3:My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.itseems like one verse plucked from paul isnt the answer to salvation but maybe thats Just me because i believe more than paul, not sure but whatever the case i have zero issue with the ten commandments and Love Knowing How God wants me to act. im sure Glad that im not stoned to death for my past as the book of the law states, but im also Glad God doesnt Leave me to my own ways, and makes things really clear. and that i am not confused about tossing the bible our for the sake of a line from a letter paul wrote.

Grace777x70 · Jul 29, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

An another example of Jesus' words were when He commanded the guy He healed to "go show himself for the priest as per the law." Do we do that today when we are healed?

Do we tell others to go to the priest in the temple as a requirement under the law? Of course not.

To show how the religious game is played - one could say - "Jesus said to go and make disciples of all nations teaching them what I have commanded." Anyone who hears My words and doesn't put them into practice then he is like the man that build his house on the sand and not the rock." ( I could go on and on with the standard scriptures about this thing )

One could say that we need to tell people to keep the 10 commandments in order to be saved because Jesus said it and we should be telling people to go to the priest when we are healed.

Without looking at all scripture through the lens of the finished work of Christ - we end up mixing up covenants and causing a complete mess.

If people want to daily "recite" the Lord's prayer as it is called by some - go for it. Recite it a hundred times a day if you like - 200 times on sunday or Saturday.

I personally use some of the elements in the prayer but I never recite it and I believe it was a transitional prayer before the cross and resurrection for now the kingdom has come into us - the believers after the day of Pentecost.

If people believe differently - go for it. I know some have an evangelical anaphylactic episode if their church teachings are challenged and I understand that.

As I have said - there are many good things we can use in that transitional prayer and I incorporate them without even thinking about it.

The reason for the antagonistic reaction to the prayer model is that in the New Covenant we don't need to forgive in order to be forgiven as has been posted by many in other posts.

In the New Covenant we do however now forgive because we are in Christ because we have already been forgiven and it is our nature now to forgive as I have posted many times.

Read the word-for-word accounts in Acts 10 & 13 that show the real gospel being preached by Peter and Paul and there is no mention of forgiving in order to be forgiven nor is there one verse in the entire epistles stating this either.

If it was so important that we will not be forgiven - you would think that it would have been mentioned at least a few times in the epistles. I mean after all - heaven and hell are at stake here.

No, the truth is - we are forgiven by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ in the New Covenant "after" Jesus finished the work on the cross and resurrection.

And it is all according to "His riches in grace" - not if someone forgives first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

If people want to believe something else - go for it! You are free to believe what you want. Jesus said - you shall know the truth and the truth will se you free! Thank you Lord Jesus!

Grace777x70 · Jul 29, 2017

Jesus said "I have many things to tell you but you cannot bear them now. But the Holy Spirit when He comes - He will teach you all things and reveal the things of Me and show them unto you."

Meaning - Jesus had many other things to tell us but the disciples couldn't understand them yet - Jesus has used Paul to show what these things are by the Holy Spirit. You do not get these in the 4 gospels. The words spoken to Paul are from Jesus' words and are just as valid.

The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.

The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity.

Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul. The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in union with Him as one spirit!

These "explanations" of the mystery of the gospel that Christ is in us - cannot be found openly in the 4 gospels themselves. We need to marry the things Paul said with the words of Jesus in the 4 gospels.

It is in Paul's explanation of the gospel that Christ is in us - the hope of glory where we find the nutrients to walk by the spirit.

" Be not deceived" some scripture

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