Bearing fruit

[InSpiritInTruth]

If they are saved and have Christ's righteousness in them they are saved.

Again I ask you show me in scripture your magic number for unrepentant willful sin. I think I asked three days ago!

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

 

[Cee]

Your question creates several realities I don't agree with...

First it minimizes sin.
Second it says people who are saved will never turn back to the Lord.

These is against so many Scriptures.

We love because He first loved us. And love doesn't sin. Law revealed sin. And there is no law against love.

Unless we believe we need something more than His grace and love to follow Him? And this focus on sin, is still missing the point of following Him.

When people say don't sin, the focus is on who?
When we say follow Him, the focus is on who?

 

[UnderGrace]

If you do not abide in Christ, then who do you abide in? Also you did not answer the question either. Seems you guys are having trouble giving an honest yes or no answer to my question.

Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

Changing the words it would seem to me!

You clearly said abide in righteousness, we do not abide in righteousness, righteousness is imputed.

Done.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

NO !!!!!!!!!

Thank you! Finally someone who knows the Truth and is confident enough in their faith to answer a simple yes or no question! Yea

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

What if sin, was actually connected to loving others?

You are again trailing away from the posted verses, speaking concerning denying worldly and ungodly lusts.

It says,

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

And in verses 18-19 are not about loving in word or tongue but in deed and in truth (and example shown in verse 17)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Changing the words it would seem to me!

You clearly said abide in righteousness, we do not abide in righteousness, righteousness is imputed.

Done.

Well the opposite of abiding in righteousness is abiding in sin. So that would explain why you also cannot answer my question with a simple yes or no.

 

[UnderGrace]

Just popping in to see how things are going

Tooooo funny!!! LOL Some things never change!!! At least I had a good hearty laugh today!!!

 

[LaurenTM]

The hyper grace teaching, is the end time deception teaching which are the same as the Nicoliatans which Jesus hated.
One hyper grace teacher said, "When I sin, I am blessed, because God's not counting my sins against me".
The same man also said, "The only qualification we need to go up in the rapture, is to be alive on earth at that time",
Then he said, "We don't have to be faithful or holy, Just here at the time".

And every scripture that proves them wrong, They say it's not for the Church.

hey ~

all I know is what Jesus said

Jesus, the Son of God

God, as in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob

I think people have made up some silly name because of their own lean towards the emphasis on sin

since when is the doctrine of God's grace, hyper? what nonsense!

I was saved when I was 5 and I didn't understand all the fine tuning, but I was well and truly saved and God has kept me and sometimes in spite of myself

salvation is the free gift of God

UNMERITED FAVOR in God's eyes

it is bizarre to accuse believers of wanting to sin

I find no one here has EVER alluded to that, yet the drums keep beating in the forest...hyper hyper hyper

it's a lost cause

the only ones who believe in hyper grace are the false teachers who have to pick everyone apart because it makes them look better in their own eyes

and please note, I am not accusing anyone of anything, I am just wondering why the emphasis is always on such negativity and why the term hyper grace is thrown around here like the Bible police want to arrest somebody

I think some folks should take a chill pill and talk about the actual Bible emphasis on grace, and try to remember, that as far as I know, everyone here thinks we need to walk in the light

this is just one of the silliest things I have seen in any Christian forum I have ever been on.

I know I am saved and I know that apart from God's grace I would not have the strength to stop sinning

I give glory to God for His grace and the new life I have in Him

What all some folks think they are doing with this hyper stuff is just a waste of time IMO

 

[Cee]

One interesting thing is, usually when people accuse each other it can be pointing to a log in our own eye. I remember Paul saying how he didn't like bringing a charge against the people of God. We are called to build each other up not tear each other down.

Tradition says John the Apostle in his last days would be carried in to the believers gatherings and he would simply say, "Little children love one another".

Wise words for me to remember daily.

 

[Grace777x70]

Changing the words it would seem to me!

You clearly said abide in righteousness, we do not abide in righteousness, righteousness is imputed.

Done.

That's right = we don't go in and out of righteousness because of some sin once we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. It is Christ's righteousness not ours by our own works that we do or don't do.

What happens to Christ when we sin?...we are joined as one spirit with Him. We have a new inner man in Christ created in righteousness and holiness. Paul said to the Corinthians that were going to the temple prostitutes "you are joining Christ to them "

Christ does not leave us because of sin. We do not go back to a goat because we sin and then if we don't do a particular sin - we go back to a sheep again. There are no "shoats"

People that think Christ leaves us when we sin have little understanding of the new creation in Christ nor of His sacrifice on the cross and resurrection.

The new spirit created in righteousness does not lose righteousness because it is Christ's righteousness. If people say we lose righteousness because of a sin - the they are trying to maintain their own righteousness and not trusting in Christ's work.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I was accused of being banned from this site by a hyper grace doctrine promoter

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Your question creates several realities I don't agree with...

The fact that you guys cannot answer that question with a simple yes or no is because you have been deceived by the false doctrines of men. Anyone who knows the Living Word of God and has the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) dwelling in them would have no problem at all answering that question with a firm and unwavering NO! Why? Because the words of God say so. Do yourself a favor and get away from those false teachers and seek understanding from the Lord alone by faith. Bye!

 

[Cee]

I'm sorry you don't see the connection.

I agree with you though, yes, we don't want to hate each other, and we want to stay away from ungodly lusts.

That word, lusts, is selfish desire. Also note what works of the flesh are. Rivalries, rage, fornication, strife, dissention, they all stem from selfish desires, these are filthy to God.

God is love. Love is pure to God. It is what James calls pure and true religion.

I was sharing a thought with you before.

But im sorry,

What do you feel I didn't address?

I might have misunderstood you.

You are again trailing away from the posted verses, speaking concerning denying worldly and ungodly lusts.

It says,

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

And in verses 18-19 are not about loving in word or tongue but in deed and in truth (and example shown in verse 17)

 

[LaurenTM]

Grace is grace. Plain and simple as that. Ain't no hyper, hypo, grace. Just grace, pure grace.

amen

and God is the only One who offers it

it does not come in a kit, you can't earn it, you can't buy it...you can only believe it!

you know, people need to see that faith in action produces exactly what it takes for salvation...no more and no less

we can't improve on God's gift. we can only accept it, walk in His light and depend on God to keep us as He promises

and He is faithful...He keeps us and leads us and does not constantly tell us we are not good enough

we already know we are not good enough and it's not about being good

it's about believing that what God said is true and then living to please Him.

this sin sin sin emphasis is not the gospel. the gospel is good news

more good news? we don't have to keep sinning as we call on Him to deliver us from all temptations

That, is GOOD NEWS~

 

[UnderGrace]

Well the opposite of abiding in righteousness is abiding in sin. So that would explain why you also cannot answer my question with a simple yes or no.

No answer because the question is based on error.

You have set up a question that both yes and no are error because as I said we do not abide in righteousness.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I'm sorry you don't see the connection.

Untrue I gave you an example

 

[Chester]

Don't try to change the question, just answer the question yes or no.

Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

NO !!!!!!!!!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I said we do not abide in righteousness.

Clearly.

 

[Chester]

Here is the question again below, and please spare me the Mexican hat dance trick around a simple yes or no question.


Now you answer me this. If one who is previously saved does not remain and abide in Christ's righteousness, but turns away from the faith back to unrepentant wilful sin, not to return again, are they still saved? Yes, or no?

I don't agree with some things of what InSpiritinTruth may say, but this question is not hard to answer.

May as well stick my neck out!

 

[Cee]

The fact that you guys cannot answer that question with a simple yes or no is because you have been deceived by the false doctrines of men. Anyone who knows the Living Word of God and has the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) dwelling in them would have no problem at all answering that question with a firm and unwavering NO! Why? Because the words of God say so. Do yourself a favor and get away from those false teachers and seek understanding from the Lord alone by faith. Bye!

What happens when someone gets saved according to Scripture?

1. They die
2. They are reborn in Christ
3. They desire things of God
4. They are joined with Him
5. They are joined with the Body

When you say someone is saved, that's what I see...

So when people sin, they are unborn and reborn, and unborn and reborn again every time they do? No I can't agree with that based on Scripture alone.

Isn't you who post those born of God won't practice sin? So why would you ask me a question saying those born of God who don't turn to Him? It's impossible for me to answer that question as yes or no.

Example I've seen you call people nicknames, and in a mean way, to me that is sin, if you don't repent does that mean you're not saved, you were saved, or you're saved, but believing some lies? I'm happy to say I believe #3 about you.

That's why I said I see sin differently than you.