"Behold The Bridegroom Approaches"

[twofeet]

twofeet...i get that you are a charismatic and a mystic.
i get that you believe God is still revealing His Plan.

that's your decision to believe that.

do not use the tired old trick that i claim no relationship with God.

just because i don't go around claiming God told me to tell you this and that.

^ people who downgrade Scripture; downgrade the REAL prophets and apostles downgrade the Lord Himself.
they do not even believe what is written.

so why should anyone believe what they say?

i don't believe any of you for one second that you're recieving visits from Christ and having one-on-ones per this OP.
it's delusion, and you're welcome to it.

you look important to your fellows...after all - you're getting this stuff right from The Lord! who can challenge you?

i can. because it's bogus.
and you know it.

I can read many books about the queen of England...read everything from what she likes to in her spare time, who she hangs out with and where she goes....reading is not the same as knowing. God calls out deep to deep....not deep to head. Unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom neither can you understand things of the kingdom...your mind will always get in the way...thats why Jesus died at Goltha..the place of the skull.

 

[danschance]

twofeet...i get that you are a charismatic and a mystic.
i get that you believe God is still revealing His Plan.

that's your decision to believe that.

do not use the tired old trick that i claim no relationship with God.

just because i don't go around claiming God told me to tell you this and that.

^ people who downgrade Scripture; downgrade the REAL prophets and apostles downgrade the Lord Himself.
they do not even believe what is written.

so why should anyone believe what they say?

i don't believe any of you for one second that you're recieving visits from Christ and having one-on-ones per this OP.
it's delusion, and you're welcome to it.

you look important to your fellows...after all - you're getting this stuff right from The Lord! who can challenge you?

i can. because it's bogus.
and you know it.

Zone, I like you. You are as feisty as I am. Yet in this case, you are wrong, IMHO. God still speaks to us and this is 100% completely scriptural. How do I know? I have heard God speak to me, many times. No I am not claiming to be more important than you or anyone, just because I have heard God speak. All I can say is that I am blessed to hear whatever He has to say.

God even speaks to Lutherans.

 

[zone]

Mar_12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

and ye speak of scriptures? do not the very scriptures themselves speak of dreams and visions? and do not prophets prophesy? are not these the last days?

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

^ FULFILLED - PENTECOST - just as God said he would.

Acts 2
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:

Did not even paul mention of prophesy in the church (1 cor chapter 14)?

the fully revealed will of God (NT) didn't exist yet.
the FOUNDATIONAL gifts and offices ceased, just as they were intended to.

God doesn't perform miracles on demand.

He does them to show His Power and confirm there is a CHANGE.

3 periods of miraculous events:

Exodus
Elijah
JESUS & Acts

the word of God never contradicts itself and everything GOD has shown me or shown anyone here has evidence of it in the scriptures, for ye

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Eternal Life is JESUS CHRIST, for ye think that in the scriptures you have eternal life, while these testimonies potray JESUS CHRIST as HE truly is in our personal lives.

YA? and...they testify of CHRIST.

For what ye brush off from the scriptures due to personal hurt i suppose, or theological lutheran doctrine i assume is FALSE.

no, cessationism is Biblical.
continuationism is false. and NEW.....Pentecostalism is NEW.
(unless you count Montanus).

i've only been a Lutheran 1 1/2 years.
nothing to do with it.

listen either you believe or not, whether you accept or not, THERE ARE PROPHETS,

nope. no more prophets.

there are VISIONS, there are DREAMS from GOD.

not for New Revelation.

for what you do not accept does not mean GOD does NOT..

just because you think someone is a prophet doesn't mean he is one.
no more prophets.

 

[Blain]

Zone, how can you know there are no more prophets in the world? Have you been all over the world and met every person? There are many False prophets but i have seen a real prophet too. Prophesy is one of the spiritual gifts right?

 

[zone]

I can read many books about the queen of England...read everything from what she likes to in her spare time, who she hangs out with and where she goes....reading is not the same as knowing. God calls out deep to deep....not deep to head. Unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom neither can you understand things of the kingdom...your mind will always get in the way...thats why Jesus died at Goltha..the place of the skull.

oh purleeze.
a born from above believer will hunger and thirst for the Word, because that is the Holy Spirit's God-breathed testimony of Jesus Christ.
the Spirit will NEVER affirm subjectivity and mysticism.

man does not live by bread alone BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD - not some nut on the internet.

a mystic and ppl who downgrade and consider the bible dead will never understand the things of the Spirit.

they are off listening to their own sinful hearts, their own egos, or lying spirits.

see it every day.

the clear evidence is exactly the demeaning and downgrading of the Word.

 

[loveme1]

The Holy Spirit guides and comforts and will always line up with Scripture.

 

[twofeet]

oh purleeze.
a born from above believer will hunger and thirst for the Word, because that is the Holy Spirit's God-breathed testimony of Jesus Christ.
the Spirit will NEVER affirm subjectivity and mysticism.

man does not live by bread alone BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD - not some nut on the internet.

a mystic and ppl who downgrade and consider the bible dead will never understand the things of the Spirit.

they are off listening to their own sinful hearts, their own egos, or lying spirits.

see it every day.

the clear evidence is exactly the demeaning and downgrading of the Word.

Thats right EVERY WORD...and I discussed earlier EVERY WORD is not written in the bible

 

[twofeet]

And let me make on thing clear Zone I read my bible daily, I hunger and thirst for Gods word and His righteousness No where in this thread or any other thread have I said that I dont hold true to the words of the bible. I already explained that the understanding you have of Gods word is different to how others understand it and how I understand it and if an understanding brings separation from God then the understanding is flawed. The WHOLE bible shows Gods heart of how He wants a relationship with people ON EARTH. You are going against the very heart of God and the reason why Jesus died.

 

[my_adonai_]

indeed and i say this with a clear conscience, YOU ARE GREATLY DECEIVED. and i pray that the light of Christ shine on you Zone.

Good day.. i will no longer partake in this, i am not really a person to force people to believe what Jehovah has shown me, but if you humble yourself before HIM, HE will show you.. BE ready when HE does, YOU will be surprised and might fall into tears.

Good day

 

[SarahM777]

And let me make on thing clear Zone I read my bible daily, I hunger and thirst for Gods word and His righteousness No where in this thread or any other thread have I said that I dont hold true to the words of the bible. I already explained that the understanding you have of Gods word is different to how others understand it and how I understand it and if an understanding brings separation from God then the understanding is flawed. The WHOLE bible shows Gods heart of how He wants a relationship with people ON EARTH. You are going against the very heart of God and the reason why Jesus died.

I thought the main reason Jesus died was to save people from their sins. Didn't say He came to serve and be a ransom for many? Didn't He say He came to set the captives free? Are we not justified by grace alone,by faith alone in what Christ did alone? Don't all people already have a relationship with God some are children of wrath and others children of mercy?

Perhaps I see this a bit differently then most because I was deceived by a false prophet,claiming they had these dreams from the Lord,they sounded so good on the surface,but I missed the poison in it. See the thing was it was 99% correct but it was the 1% that was wrong. (The thing was it was my own sister) If it's the tiniest bit wrong they are false. The Lord leaves no exception to that. We need to be VERY VERY careful otherwise we can be deceived thinking it's from the Lord.

 

[twofeet]

I thought the main reason Jesus died was to save people from their sins. Didn't say He came to serve and be a ransom for many? Didn't He say He came to set the captives free? Are we not justified by grace alone,by faith alone in what Christ did alone? Don't all people already have a relationship with God some are children of wrath and others children of mercy?

Perhaps I see this a bit differently then most because I was deceived by a false prophet,claiming they had these dreams from the Lord,they sounded so good on the surface,but I missed the poison in it. See the thing was it was 99% correct but it was the 1% that was wrong. (The thing was it was my own sister) If it's the tiniest bit wrong they are false. The Lord leaves no exception to that. We need to be VERY VERY careful otherwise we can be deceived thinking it's from the Lord.

The ONLY thing that separates man from God is sin....so God dealt with the sin 100% to restore the relationship back.


As for prophecies.....if someone gave me a prophecy, I would thank them then go ask God. How else can you test things? If the Lord says throw it out, its not of me would I think bad of the person? No.....I would pray for them but not criticize them. If the Lord says it was from Him then I would pray through it WITH the Lord. Those that do not KNOW the Lord cannot do these things so often fall...then throw out ALL prophecy as rubbish and of the enemy. We are called to test the spirits and test prophecy so not to be like blinded deaf sheep taking on board what every one else says around us. Ive had good prophecies given to me that I hold onto and can take years to come to pass. Ive also had bad prophecies not of God. But the bad ones never mislead me cos I asked the Lord if it was from Him.

 

[weakness]

according to you His Word is ongoing.
He is speaking creepy new things, First Person through people.
right?

and anyone who points that out is claiming a dead God or dead faith?
i hear this rubbish all the time from people who just are not satisfied with what God has given us.
always looking for something new - and always eating it up.

did you change your mind on this matter chris?
since yesterday?
i don't know...i guess i'll keep reading and see if you are still promoting a demonic spirit claiming to be The Living God.[/QUOTEe I read the scriptures alot and the Holy Spirit usually makes them alive into the person of Christ speaking to me. Even the creation speaks of the glorious works of God and reveals him to the world. .But agreeing with you we live in dangerous time and deception is rampant.I know the deceived,( especially those getting rich) saying the Lord is speaking through them, when it is no way close to what god has already revealed in his word or close to the nature of our God ."But today if you here his voice " is an exhortation for today to listen to his Voice today, not just his written word . I would feel really weird saying "thus says the lord ect. But I heard the Lord speaking through you Zone ,Several times. I agree with you in may ways. " But my sheep hear my voice"! is a fact and something I treasure , and something I could not spiritually survive without. The Rama and the Logos are both of God.

 

[Tintin]

I believe prophecy exists today but that many abuse the gift and use it for their own purposes. I tend to err on the side of caution because of this. Prophecy doesn't bring new revelation from God. It either talks about the past or present, rarely does it concern the future (but sometimes it does). Prophecy is often encouragement from God or a challenge from him but it must always point back to God's Truth found in his Word. If it doesn't align with his Truth, it isn't of Him.

 

[crosspreacher]

Jeremiah 23:21
I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied.

Jeremiah 23:25
"I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, 'I had a dream! I had a dream!'

Jeremiah 27:15
I have not sent them,' declares the LORD. 'They are prophesying lies in my name. Therefore, I will banish you and you will perish, both you and the prophets who prophesy to you.'"

Jeremiah 29:8
For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are among you deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams that they dream

Ezekiel 13:6
Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the LORD has not sent them, they say, "The LORD declares," and expect him to fulfill their words.




Hebrews 1
1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.



Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Matthew 24:4
Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you.

Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.


2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

Are you trying to prove from those scriptures that there is no true prophet to come?

 

[danschance]

To those who think the gifts have ceased: Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts?

We clearly see in scripture that Jesus tells his disciples that He must go so the Comforter can come. As the Comforter comes we clearly see the gifts of the Spirit being disseminated in the body of Christ. Now it is written that this was the beginning of the last days and that they clearly were looking forward to the day Christ would return for His bride. We know that a great and terrible time is coming when the Antichrist will appear and persecute the church. The tribulation period will be far worse on the church than at any time previous.

So how is it that God has removed the gifts of the Spirit even when the worst period of time the church has ever seen has not happened yet? We still see Christians persecuted. The church is still reaching around the globe and spreading the good news. The Spirit of the antichrist is still loose in this world. We still have sickness, famine, disease and pestilence. We see sin abounding as the world embraces homosexuality, fornication, atheism, etc. Christ has not returned nor are we in the period of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Even so, some claim God has ceased the gifts??? To me that is absurd as the church is facing great peril.

It is not just absurd to me, it is also a fulfillment of prophecy: "..having a form of godliness but denying the power (of God) ..".

 

[SaintPatrick]

I read the title of this thread, In regards to bridegroom and bride symbolism in biblical prophecy. Joel 2:15-17
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Consecrate a fast, proclaim a solemn assembly,

16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation,
Assemble the elders,
Gather the children and the nursing infants.
Let the bridegroom come out of his room
And the bride out of her bridal chamber.

17Let the priests, the LORD’S ministers,
Weep between the porch and the altar,
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[Pilgrimer]

Yes, we must not have anyone speak to us from God.

There is a world of difference in someone speaking to us "from" God and someone speaking to us "as" God.

Even the prophets did not do that, they said "thus saith the Lord" meaning "this is what the Lord said."

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[cfultz3]

There is a world of difference in someone speaking to us "from" God and someone speaking to us "as" God.

Even the prophets did not do that, they said "thus saith the Lord" meaning "this is what the Lord said."

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Just one example of many:

Exo 7:16 And thou shalt say unto him,......
Exo 7:17 Thus saith the LORD, In this thou shalt know that I am the LORD: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.

 

[SarahM777]

The ONLY thing that separates man from God is sin....so God dealt with the sin 100% to restore the relationship back.


As for prophecies.....if someone gave me a prophecy, I would thank them then go ask God. How else can you test things? If the Lord says throw it out, its not of me would I think bad of the person? No.....I would pray for them but not criticize them. If the Lord says it was from Him then I would pray through it WITH the Lord. Those that do not KNOW the Lord cannot do these things so often fall...then throw out ALL prophecy as rubbish and of the enemy. We are called to test the spirits and test prophecy so not to be like blinded deaf sheep taking on board what every one else says around us. Ive had good prophecies given to me that I hold onto and can take years to come to pass. Ive also had bad prophecies not of God. But the bad ones never mislead me cos I asked the Lord if it was from Him.

I did ask the Lord but He was silent on this at that time,she was reconfirming things the Lord had already told me but I never told her these things. One of things the Lord thought me in that is we need to be rooted and grounded in His word when we come to a time when He is silent,and our enemy is far more subtle then even the wisest of us can begin to understand. Be thankful you have not faced that test yet. Be very careful you do not let pride start getting the better of you. We are warned in Daniel that even some of the wise will stumble,do not think that it can't happen to you. (I did think that myself before this happened)

 

[zone]

And let me make on thing clear Zone I read my bible daily, I hunger and thirst for Gods word and His righteousness No where in this thread or any other thread have I said that I dont hold true to the words of the bible. I already explained that the understanding you have of Gods word is different to how others understand it and how I understand it and if an understanding brings separation from God then the understanding is flawed. The WHOLE bible shows Gods heart of how He wants a relationship with people ON EARTH. You are going against the very heart of God and the reason why Jesus died.

nah.
i have no part with charismatics and mystics.
lip service to God's Holy Word.
that's all.
bye.