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I'm glad Philetus and Hymenaeus were mentioned about saying that the resurrection is past already, causing the faith of some to be destroyed..... look at how many's faith is destroyed today because of teaching the tribulation has taken place already, some teach there's no millenium, some teach there is but it's waaay longer than 1000 years, happening right now. Some teach spiritual gifts ceased in 70 A.D., even though no scripture or related scripture exists to prove it & church history proves otherwise.
Faith no longer has to be proven with actions, and everybody of other religions are now going to Heaven. Why some teach that those in Hell are going to come out after their "temporary punishment" is over & be taken to Heaven also.
And to top it all off, many of them teach there's no falling away of the church in the last days..... while it's going downhill right before our eyes. It looks like the church could really use some spiritual gifts right now..... like discernment, wisdom & knowledge.
Faith no longer has to be proven with actions, and everybody of other religions are now going to Heaven. Why some teach that those in Hell are going to come out after their "temporary punishment" is over & be taken to Heaven also.
And to top it all off, many of them teach there's no falling away of the church in the last days..... while it's going downhill right before our eyes. It looks like the church could really use some spiritual gifts right now..... like discernment, wisdom & knowledge.
there are some ideas in here about what "dispensationalism" is that are not what i think of when i hear the word "dispensation"
does anyone disagree that there was a change in how God dealt with humans during the time before Christ came and died & rose again, to these times afterwards?
& i really don't get what BJF is on about saying that "works & faith" during the tribulation. if someone could explain that to me..
does anyone disagree that there was a change in how God dealt with humans during the time before Christ came and died & rose again, to these times afterwards?
& i really don't get what BJF is on about saying that "works & faith" during the tribulation. if someone could explain that to me..
this is confusing. what do you mean when you say the word "gospel" ?
do you think during the tribulation people should toss out Galatians 1:8 (let anyone who brings another gospel be accursed) ?
((since you seem to be saying there should be a different gospel then))
do you think what Christ said, when He walked on the earth, no longer applies? & that it doesn't agree with what His apostles wrote for us?
((since you seem to be saying that all the books of the Bible where we have His actual words no longer apply))
do you think during the tribulation people should toss out Galatians 1:8 (let anyone who brings another gospel be accursed) ?
((since you seem to be saying there should be a different gospel then))
do you think what Christ said, when He walked on the earth, no longer applies? & that it doesn't agree with what His apostles wrote for us?
((since you seem to be saying that all the books of the Bible where we have His actual words no longer apply))
Saying that we had faith and works in the past and will have them in the future is a form of hyper-Disp'l, not academic Disp'l as recognized.
Salvation has always been by grace through faith, even though the application of being faithful to God for the OT Jew was in obeying the Law, while the application now is in obeying the law of Christ, which is in some ways similar to the OT Law, and in some ways radically different.
But everyone recognizes that we do have different administrations of God's plan from Adam to Noah to Moses to David to Jesus to the future. In some ways all Christians who see the progressive revelation of God are Dispensationalists, even Covenant Theologians recognize the different between Adam and Moses and Jesus.
Salvation has always been by grace through faith, even though the application of being faithful to God for the OT Jew was in obeying the Law, while the application now is in obeying the law of Christ, which is in some ways similar to the OT Law, and in some ways radically different.
But everyone recognizes that we do have different administrations of God's plan from Adam to Noah to Moses to David to Jesus to the future. In some ways all Christians who see the progressive revelation of God are Dispensationalists, even Covenant Theologians recognize the different between Adam and Moses and Jesus.