Bestseller Book.....New Age Versions of the Bible

Jason0047 · Mar 18, 2015

It's both. I would not know about the fruits of the Spirit if it was not for the Word of God.
For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God.

1. There are other evidences that confirm God's Word as true.
2. The fruits of the Spirit is just one of those evidences and a testimony of knowing the goodness of God.

ember · Mar 18, 2015

A lengthy critical review of her book New Age Bible Versions was originally published in Cornerstone magazine in 1994, authored by Bob and Gretchen Passantino of Answers In Action, and described the book as "erroneous, sensationalistic, misrepresentative, inaccurate, and logically indefensible." [SUP][4][/SUP] They concluded by summarizing "There is hardly a page of this book that is free from error. Riplinger does not know Greek, Hebrew, textual criticism, linguistics, principles of translation, logical argumentation, proper citation and documentation standards, competent English grammar and style, or even consistent spelling. This book would never have done more than use Riplinger's savings and fill up her garage if Christian "celebrities" such as Texe Marrs and David Hocking had not promoted it."

Jesus saves in any language and the Holy Spirit is not limited by the KJV of the Bible.

Are you KJV only folks aware that the literal meaning of KJV only, means just that? It means the actual Bible as inspired rather than translated from the original languages?

Bibles don't save.

I wouldn't support any of this womans work if you take into account what she actually believes

Now we need to remember that New Age Bible Versions is not a nice book. It plainly and obviously identifies anyone who was involved in the production of modern Bible versions, or who would dare to defend translations such as the New American Standard Bible or the New International Version, as not just non-Christians, but as anti-Christians who are opposed to God’s work in this world and who actually want everyone to worship Lucifer. Anyone who opposes Gail Riplinger’s unique view of the world and theology is, in fact, a New Ager in sheep’s clothing. https://bible.org/article/why-respond-gail-riplinger

ouch

ember · Mar 18, 2015

KJV1611 said:

Except that Jesus said something quite different

15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Dan_473 · Mar 19, 2015

Jason0047 said:

a person can't be rich and be a Christian? I've considered that idea, too... one problem is what is the cut-off point? as an american, I'm very rich compared to most parts of the world...

but I don't have to decide if Joel is a Christian, or how good of one... I say, "If you find that listening to Joel seems to greatly increase your fruit, then go for it, imo..."

Dan_473 · Mar 19, 2015

so, welcome back, Jason... I asked this question " Has God said what the test is for that book?" I don't remember reading your answer. You can answer, if you like.

KJV1611 · Mar 19, 2015

Dan_473 said:

What about in our own lives though? I believe the Holy Spirit impressed into my mind that the KJV is the inerrant word of God which I'm sure you think is a load of crap lol. So how do I test that spirit to see if it's from God?

KJV1611 · Mar 19, 2015

ember said:

A lengthy critical review of her book New Age Bible Versions was originally published in Cornerstone magazine in 1994, authored by Bob and Gretchen Passantino of Answers In Action, and described the book as "erroneous, sensationalistic, misrepresentative, inaccurate, and logically indefensible." [SUP][4][/SUP] They concluded by summarizing "There is hardly a page of this book that is free from error. Riplinger does not know Greek, Hebrew, textual criticism, linguistics, principles of translation, logical argumentation, proper citation and documentation standards, competent English grammar and style, or even consistent spelling. This book would never have done more than use Riplinger's savings and fill up her garage if Christian "celebrities" such as Texe Marrs and David Hocking had not promoted it."

Jesus saves in any language and the Holy Spirit is not limited by the KJV of the Bible.

Are you KJV only folks aware that the literal meaning of KJV only, means just that? It means the actual Bible as inspired rather than translated from the original languages?

Bibles don't save.

I wouldn't support any of this womans work if you take into account what she actually believes

Now we need to remember that New Age Bible Versions is not a nice book. It plainly and obviously identifies anyone who was involved in the production of modern Bible versions, or who would dare to defend translations such as the New American Standard Bible or the New International Version, as not just non-Christians, but as anti-Christians who are opposed to God’s work in this world and who actually want everyone to worship Lucifer. Anyone who opposes Gail Riplinger’s unique view of the world and theology is, in fact, a New Ager in sheep’s clothing. https://bible.org/article/why-respond-gail-riplinger

ouch

I haven't read the book. Could you post some of the erroneous, sensationalistic, misrepresentative, inaccurate and logically indefensible statements?

KJV1611 · Mar 19, 2015

ember said:

So what does it mean to wear sheep's clothing? Is that talking about wearing a suit and tie to church on Sunday? Or is it possible that it means that they come to church on Sunday and pretend to have love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance?

ember · Mar 20, 2015

well sure I can do that, but if you haven't read the book and you uphold it, how do you know what you are upholding?

I would find that confusing.....

1) The author is not able to translate from the original languages so she is actually giving the KJV the same import as the Bible written by the original authors. She has no authority one way or the other. Further, those who espouse the KJV only approach, should keep in mind they generally seem to believe that women should keep silent and women should not teach men. How does that line up with her book which is chalk full of teaching and why to KJV only men put aside what they say they believe in order to praise this book?

2)Gail Riplinger claims her book documents an alliance between newer translations of the Bible and the New Age Movement. Having studied the NAM, I find that statement ridiculous. As far as one world religion goes, I can only state, what on earth? Gail what are you talking about!

3) Gail really goes over the cliff when she states that people who defend the newer translations are not saved and are, in fact, opposed to God and are part of the team of the anti-Christ. She states the newer translations are preparing the apostate church and just generally rails against anyone whose name comes to her mind.

She compares men of God to Hitler and even Charles Manson. One starts to wonder what she ate for breakfast.

4) She has managed to leave out any 'proof' documentation for the outrageous claims she makes...a sure sign of 'believe this because I said it and me being who I am, I don't need proof.'

IMO, that is some big self righteous load of bull deposits she flings around. Just the opposite of what the Bible itself says..CHECK everything out and study to show yourself a good steward of the word of God...or as you might better understand it: 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. II Timothy 2:15

So I don't know how you will respond since you have not read the book?

BTW, this is just the very briefest little drop of what is actually a very large body of water with regards to the, almost laughable but unfortuneatly seriously erroneous 'facts', regarding her defense of the book, that one can read for themself online or in bookform.

Personally, I have the impression she is quite cultic in her approach. ANY...and I do mean any, time a person refuses correction, refuses knowledge, calls everyone else the anti-Christ and lies about their own credentials, and demands strict allegiance to their beliefs even if they fly in the face of what scripture states, then you have a big glass of cool-aid in the making.

ember · Mar 20, 2015

KJV1611 said:

Well I never wear a suit and tie to church...most likely because I am female....but God looks on the heart...not the suit or the dress or the jeans or the T.

I think you know what that scripture means. If not, you should study it because it is very important seeing as the words come from Jesus Himself.

ps...it is not referring to the fruit of the Spirit

You should stop listening to voices and get into the Bible, because the Bible will utterly refute that thought.

Dan_473 · Mar 20, 2015

KJV1611 said:

well, the impression that the KJV is the inerrant word of God... does that impression lead to a lot of growing of the fruits?

I think it's just fine if someone wants to *believe* the KJV is the inerrant word of God. Now, If someone presents *reasons* for something, then we have something further to discuss...

KJV1611 · Mar 20, 2015

ember said:

I don't uphold the book Ember, I've never read it. I know a lot about the New Age though and I know the new bibles to varying degrees are New Age bibles. The Jesus in the New Age bibles is one of the ascended master.... a fallen angel. No where is it more evident than in Daniel 3:25.

Daniel 3:25English Standard Version (ESV)

25 He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound,walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

ember said:

Not being able to translate from the original languages is a good thing because nobody can do it. For a man to translate the bible he would have to privately interpret scripture and scripture says you can't do that. The only legitimate translation is a translation translated by God.

ember said:

I can't comment on her documentation but without even reading it I would tend to believe it's true. It's pretty evident that the new bibles aren't from God though because they contradict each other and themselves.

ember said:

If she said that people who defend the newer translations are not saved then I would not agree with that. Judging from the other things you posted about her, I would tend to doubt that she said that. It seems like a lot of people just hate her because she's against the new false bibles.

I watched a video of some idiot named James R. White bashing the KJV and he did talk about some of Gail's "ridiculous" claims. The guy knew about as much about the bible as I know about rocket science.

ember said:

People say I'm cultic in my 100% faith in the KJV too. What can I say, God said he would preserve his word forever and I believe him. I guess that means I'm deceived.

KJV1611 · Mar 20, 2015

Dan_473 said:

I don't really think Christianity is about developing the fruits of the Spirit. I think when we become a Christian we get the fruits of the Spirit because the Spirit is producing fruit in us. I see Christianity as developing a personal relationship with Jesus. I don't mean in the cliche' way... I mean it literally, getting to intimately know the character and personality of God by reading the word and interacting with Christ through the pages of the bible.

It's hard to prove the KJV is the inerrant word of God to another person who doesn't believe it. Most people don't even know what the word of God is... they worship the "letter" and not the spirit. I've said this many times, the word of God is not the "letter" i.e. the words written down on paper, it's the meaning behind the words written down on paper. Just like the bible say's, the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. That's why there is so much division on this forum and all of Christianity for that matter.

When people say things like "some words in the original language can't be directly translated into other languages... hence no translation is inerrant" I'm like What? Does this person really believe that God is bound by language barriers. I know right away that person has no idea what the word of God is. I'm not saying they're not saved... I was that way one time also and I know I was saved.

kennethcadwell · Mar 20, 2015

dcontroversal said:

No they did not, they translated it from the original Greek and Hebrew and then compared it to earlier English versions in which there were only a few, and of those few only one was translated from the original Greek and Hebrew and it wasn't even finished because the man died before finishing it. The KJV even though they made small and few translation errors did not copy from another English version.....Copy and comparing is two separate things !!!

KJV1611 · Mar 20, 2015

ember said:

I know it has nothing to do with the fruit of the Spirit, that's why I was wondering why you posted this:

ember · Mar 21, 2015

KJV1611 said:

ok let's break it down.

Who are the sheep? sheep are gentle and follow...they do not lead and they need a shepherd

If you examine what Jesus said, He said that false prophets PRETEND ro be sheep...they appear to be sheep...they mix in with the herd and pretend to be one of them

What is meant by fruit? That, would be the teaching...notice Jesus says false prophets...He is not talking about the evidence of the Holy Spirit or the lack of evidence in a person's life. Jesus says that people do not pick grapes from thornbushes...in other words, you will not get good doctrine or fruit out of a false prophet

The NT deals with the word prophet to mean the telling FORTH rather then the FOREtelling....in other words, expounding on scripture. People get this mixed up and fancy themselves a Isaiah or a Jeremiah and attempt to manipulate others by saying 'thus sayeth the Lord'...the Lord has already said and it is best to adhere to what He has already said

(that is not to say that the Holy Spirit cannot warn of things to come or direct because He certainly can and He does but in this sense, we are examining what Jesus said regarding false prophets)

So, we can sum it up like this: a real prophet will have good doctrine from the Bible and they will not 'use' or shear the sheep or trample up the sheep's pasture. A false prophet is like a wolf...they PREY on the sheep, use them and eat them up..in other words they LIVE off them. They really are not that hard to spot, HOWEVER, because of the deception in the world which is getting worse, and people eating pablum instead of the meat of the word, they fall under the spell of wrong teachers and just like the Bible states:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, Timothy 4:3

So you can recognize a false prophet by the bad fruit they produce.

False prophets often teach new revelation that is OUTSIDE the scope of scripture.

ember · Mar 21, 2015

Ironically, it seems it is even harder to demonstrate how wrong that concept is to someone who has fallen under the wrong doctrine of KJ only

The book, New Age Versions of the Bible, belongs on the shelf right next to the Book of Mormon

KJV1611 · Mar 21, 2015

ember said:

ok let's break it down.

Who are the sheep? sheep are gentle and follow...they do not lead and they need a shepherd

If you examine what Jesus said, He said that false prophets PRETEND ro be sheep...they appear to be sheep...they mix in with the herd and pretend to be one of them

What is meant by fruit? That, would be the teaching...notice Jesus says false prophets...He is not talking about the evidence of the Holy Spirit or the lack of evidence in a person's life. Jesus says that people do not pick grapes from thornbushes...in other words, you will not get good doctrine or fruit out of a false prophet

The NT deals with the word prophet to mean the telling FORTH rather then the FOREtelling....in other words, expounding on scripture. People get this mixed up and fancy themselves a Isaiah or a Jeremiah and attempt to manipulate others by saying 'thus sayeth the Lord'...the Lord has already said and it is best to adhere to what He has already said

(that is not to say that the Holy Spirit cannot warn of things to come or direct because He certainly can and He does but in this sense, we are examining what Jesus said regarding false prophets)

So, we can sum it up like this: a real prophet will have good doctrine from the Bible and they will not 'use' or shear the sheep or trample up the sheep's pasture. A false prophet is like a wolf...they PREY on the sheep, use them and eat them up..in other words they LIVE off them. They really are not that hard to spot, HOWEVER, because of the deception in the world which is getting worse, and people eating pablum instead of the meat of the word, they fall under the spell of wrong teachers and just like the Bible states:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, Timothy 4:3

So you can recognize a false prophet by the bad fruit they produce.

False prophets often teach new revelation that is OUTSIDE the scope of scripture.

I know that... it's not talking about the fruits of the spirit, you're the one who said it was in the first place.

KJV1611 · Mar 21, 2015

ember said:

So are you telling me that it's wrong to believe that God gave me his perfect word in a perfect book?

ember · Mar 21, 2015

It appears you may not want to acknowledge what it is actually telling us.

I never said anything about the fruit of the spirt. You actually brought that up as a rabbit trail that I did not go down.

I'm not sure you would receive what I would say. At any rate, I have not told you anything. It is actually yourself that is telling the rest of us that you believe a false prophet who wrote the book you are tooting.

Bizarre. Truly and deeply bizarre. IMO of course.

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