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Just curious, brother. Which 'chariots' thing do you think I'm thinking of? 
1 Kings 4:
[SUP]26[/SUP] And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2 Chronicles 9:
[SUP]25[/SUP] And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
10 horses for each chariot
40,000 horses
4,000 chariots
Before you break out the flaming torches and the pitchforks, first I want to clarify something. I believe the God's Word is His ultimate written authority to us. I believe the Bible is perfect. I believe the whole Bible is written FOR us, but that not every part is written TO us. I believe God is absolute truth and His ways don't change with the times. I believe we need to conform to Christ's image and not try and make Him conform to our image (it had to be said!) I believe we need to understand Law to understand Grace and the Old Covenant to understand the New Covenant. I believe we are saved by grace through faith alone. I even believe those wacky first 11 chapters of Genesis are history.
That said, I believe the Bible has errors. I'm not talking about doctrinal issues, I'm talking simple scribal errors. Spelling, grammar, people's names, little inventory details. Like how many chariots went to war or Cainan in the genealogies. Does anyone know why these errors haven't been corrected? The Church has known about them for a long time. Just curious. Thanks.
That said, I believe the Bible has errors. I'm not talking about doctrinal issues, I'm talking simple scribal errors. Spelling, grammar, people's names, little inventory details. Like how many chariots went to war or Cainan in the genealogies. Does anyone know why these errors haven't been corrected? The Church has known about them for a long time. Just curious. Thanks.
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:dontknow: what kind of understanding do we have to obtain
when it comes to this verses
Mark: 12. 29. And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord thy God is one God.
30. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength. This is the first commandment.
31. And the second is like to it: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is no other commandment greater than these.
:smoke: thank you very much :happy:
God bless us all always
when it comes to this verses
Mark: 12. 29. And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord thy God is one God.
30. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength. This is the first commandment.
31. And the second is like to it: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is no other commandment greater than these.
:smoke: thank you very much :happy:
God bless us all always
I feel sorry for any Christian who believes that God is either a liar, makes mistakes or only half hazardly preserved his word. I for one am blessed to have a Bible that I believe is 100% free from error and therefore infallible, the KJV. Jealous?
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Is this any help with the chariots?
Chariots of David and Solomon
When David set up his kingdom, chariots appeared. We know this because the prophet Samuel warned the people that a king ‘will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.’(I Samuel 8: 11). These were not battle chariots, of course. The bodyguard of runners was needed when the King drove his chariot through the alleys and narrow winding streets of the city. In fact, we do not know if David used chariots in battle.
The basic structure of a chariot
But if the chariot squadron in David's army was small, there is certainly no doubt that it reached quite formidable proportions in the army of Solomon. What those proportions were we do not know, since the Bible’s figures are not consistent:
If, on the other hand, this 'thousand and four hundred chariots' refers not to chariots but to the total number of chariot horses—and the Bible frequently uses ‘rekheb’ to mean "chariot horse" - then the number of chariots in Solomon's army would be nearer to 500. This would be a sizable figure for the period, but quite realistic.
CHARIOTS OF WAR IN THE BIBLE
Chariots of David and Solomon
When David set up his kingdom, chariots appeared. We know this because the prophet Samuel warned the people that a king ‘will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.’(I Samuel 8: 11). These were not battle chariots, of course. The bodyguard of runners was needed when the King drove his chariot through the alleys and narrow winding streets of the city. In fact, we do not know if David used chariots in battle.
The basic structure of a chariot
But if the chariot squadron in David's army was small, there is certainly no doubt that it reached quite formidable proportions in the army of Solomon. What those proportions were we do not know, since the Bible’s figures are not consistent:
- "Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen." (I Kings 4: 26)
- "Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horses, which he stationed in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem." (II Chronicles 9: 25)
- "Solomon gathered together chariots and horses: and he had fourteen hundred chariots and twelve thousand horses which he stationed in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem." (I Kings 10: 26)
If, on the other hand, this 'thousand and four hundred chariots' refers not to chariots but to the total number of chariot horses—and the Bible frequently uses ‘rekheb’ to mean "chariot horse" - then the number of chariots in Solomon's army would be nearer to 500. This would be a sizable figure for the period, but quite realistic.
CHARIOTS OF WAR IN THE BIBLE
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I feel sorry for any Christian who believes that God is either a liar, makes mistakes or only half hazardly preserved his word. I for one am blessed to have a Bible that I believe is 100% free from error and therefore infallible, the KJV. Jealous?
Is this any help with the chariots?
Chariots of David and Solomon
When David set up his kingdom, chariots appeared. We know this because the prophet Samuel warned the people that a king ‘will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.’(I Samuel 8: 11). These were not battle chariots, of course. The bodyguard of runners was needed when the King drove his chariot through the alleys and narrow winding streets of the city. In fact, we do not know if David used chariots in battle.
The basic structure of a chariot
But if the chariot squadron in David's army was small, there is certainly no doubt that it reached quite formidable proportions in the army of Solomon. What those proportions were we do not know, since the Bible’s figures are not consistent:
If, on the other hand, this 'thousand and four hundred chariots' refers not to chariots but to the total number of chariot horses—and the Bible frequently uses ‘rekheb’ to mean "chariot horse" - then the number of chariots in Solomon's army would be nearer to 500. This would be a sizable figure for the period, but quite realistic.
CHARIOTS OF WAR IN THE BIBLE
Chariots of David and Solomon
When David set up his kingdom, chariots appeared. We know this because the prophet Samuel warned the people that a king ‘will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.’(I Samuel 8: 11). These were not battle chariots, of course. The bodyguard of runners was needed when the King drove his chariot through the alleys and narrow winding streets of the city. In fact, we do not know if David used chariots in battle.
The basic structure of a chariot
But if the chariot squadron in David's army was small, there is certainly no doubt that it reached quite formidable proportions in the army of Solomon. What those proportions were we do not know, since the Bible’s figures are not consistent:
- "Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen." (I Kings 4: 26)
- "Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horses, which he stationed in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem." (II Chronicles 9: 25)
- "Solomon gathered together chariots and horses: and he had fourteen hundred chariots and twelve thousand horses which he stationed in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem." (I Kings 10: 26)
If, on the other hand, this 'thousand and four hundred chariots' refers not to chariots but to the total number of chariot horses—and the Bible frequently uses ‘rekheb’ to mean "chariot horse" - then the number of chariots in Solomon's army would be nearer to 500. This would be a sizable figure for the period, but quite realistic.
CHARIOTS OF WAR IN THE BIBLE
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Seriously not a Biblical scholar here, but I am wondering, why would a one man chariot need 10 horses? One horse can carry a man, so I'm going with two can easily carry a man on a chariot. Maybe four, if the chariot is extremely heavy, but by the time you're getting up to ten, that's ten horses that have to be controlled as one unified body. They can't go any faster. If ten can go up a mountain with that load, so could four. With ten, go into battle and I'm aiming for a middle horse, just because that mucks up the entire use of the chariot and makes it harder for the driver to unhooked the dead horse, and it would possibly break the leg of the horse right behind it. There is such a thing of overly efficient that makes it less efficient.
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Before you break out the flaming torches and the pitchforks, first I want to clarify something. I believe the God's Word is His ultimate written authority to us. I believe the Bible is perfect. I believe the whole Bible is written FOR us, but that not every part is written TO us. I believe God is absolute truth and His ways don't change with the times. I believe we need to conform to Christ's image and not try and make Him conform to our image (it had to be said!) I believe we need to understand Law to understand Grace and the Old Covenant to understand the New Covenant. I believe we are saved by grace through faith alone. I even believe those wacky first 11 chapters of Genesis are history.
That said, I believe the Bible has errors. I'm not talking about doctrinal issues, I'm talking simple scribal errors. Spelling, grammar, people's names, little inventory details. Like how many chariots went to war or Cainan in the genealogies. Does anyone know why these errors haven't been corrected? The Church has known about them for a long time. Just curious. Thanks.
That said, I believe the Bible has errors. I'm not talking about doctrinal issues, I'm talking simple scribal errors. Spelling, grammar, people's names, little inventory details. Like how many chariots went to war or Cainan in the genealogies. Does anyone know why these errors haven't been corrected? The Church has known about them for a long time. Just curious. Thanks.
Personally I won't be joining this thread because I'm not that well versed in historical theology in comparison to some amazing contributors on this site. What I will say though is your line, 'I believe we need to conform to Christ's image and not try and make Him conform to our image.' really spoke to my Holy Spirit!! Love that line! Thank-you, brought me some joy this morning
Many blessings!! XooProverbs 26:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Its the only place in the bible where I have ever encountered a 'contradiction' where I didn't think it was because of my own limited understanding.
I wonder if this just requires discernment on when to do what...?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Its the only place in the bible where I have ever encountered a 'contradiction' where I didn't think it was because of my own limited understanding.
I wonder if this just requires discernment on when to do what...?
To everything there is a time and a season. Sometimes it is wise to speak to someone in a way they understand, speaking to them on their level, which is often a method of teaching, and sometimes it is simply not wise to stoop that low. That is one way of reconciling the two. Both can be beneficial, and true, after all, even if they do appear to be contradictory.