Biblical Errors - Why Haven't They Been Fixed?

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KJV1611 said:
If the second is accusative then wouldn't the first have to be also? I mean the transitive verb in that sentence is "receive" and the direct object is the same for both.
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I would not think so because a preposition generally agrees with its noun in case and number.
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
Then there is Barnabas who was actually there.


Epistle of Barnabas

Chapter 10

11 Moses says again, "Eat of every animal that is cloven hoofed and ruminant." What does he mean? That he who receives food knows him who feeds him, and rests on him and seems to rejoice. Well did he speak with regard to the commandment. What then does he mean? Consort with those who fear the Lord, with those who meditate in their heart on the meaning of the word which they have received, with those who speak of and observe the ordinances of the Lord, with those who know that meditation is a work of gladness, and who ruminate on the word of the Lord. But what does "the cloven hoofed" mean? That the righteous both walks in this world and looks forward to the holy age. See how well Moses legislated.
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Hey, there. The Epistle of Barnabas isn't an inspired writing, so it doesn't hold any weight here.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Zechariah 14:5 for one. Amos 9:12 for another.
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What's wrong with this one?

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
 
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What's wrong with this one?

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
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This is what it really says

The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible​
 
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I would not think so because a preposition generally agrees with its noun in case and number.
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It does agree with the noun in case and number doesn't it? The noun is "all" which is one entity and "receive" is one action.
 
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This is what it really says
The valley between the hills will be filled in, yes, it will be blocked as far as Jasol, it will be filled in as it was by the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Zechariah 14:5, New Jerusalem Bible​
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And you believe that for what reason?
 
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KJV1611 said:
And you believe that for what reason?
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Search internet for azal + yasul for the reason. That is the version in bibles in most of the Christian world. It is found in the Septuagint (LXX). The version you are familiar with comes from the Masoretic text (MT). Even the Jewish Publication Society, whose stated editorial policy is to favor the MT, now favors the LXX version of this verse.
 
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Search internet for azal + yasul for the reason. That is the version in bibles in most of the Christian world. It is found in the Septuagint (LXX). The version you are familiar with comes from the Masoretic text (MT). Even the Jewish Publication Society, whose stated editorial policy is to favor the MT, now favors the LXX version of this verse.
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How do you know the Masoretic text is wrong? And more importantly, why do you read a Catholic bible... they're not Christian.
 
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KJV1611 said:
It does agree with the noun in case and number doesn't it? The noun is "all" which is one entity and "receive" is one action.
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'All' is an adjective. The respective nouns are hand and forehead. 'Hand' is in the genitive and 'forehead' is in the accusative therefore their prepositions should be regarded in the same case.

The tell you the truth, I am more than a bit rusty on this but I am enjoying the study. It is good to refresh myself on all of this.
 
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How do you know the Masoretic text is wrong? And more importantly, why do you read a Catholic bible... they're not Christian.
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Like I said, search internet for azal + yasul for the reason. I'm not even going to respond to your Catholic slur.
 
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oldhermit said:
'All' is an adjective. The respective nouns are hand and forehead. 'Hand' is in the genitive and 'forehead' is in the accusative therefore their prepositions should be regarded in the same case.

The tell you the truth, I am more than a bit rusty on this but I am enjoying the study. It is good to refresh myself on all of this.
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LOl you're right... I was confusing noun with subject.:confused:
Hey I haven't studied grammar in 30 years!
 
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KJV1611 said:
It does agree with the noun in case and number doesn't it? The noun is "all" which is one entity and "receive" is one action.
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While some prepositions are positionally fixed as with ἐν which is always in the dative case, others are more flexible such as ἐπὶ which can be either dative, genitive, or accusative.
 
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KJV1611 said:
LOl you're right... I was confusing noun with subject.:confused:
Hey I haven't studied grammar in 30 years!
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LOL, it has been almost that long since I have studied Greek so I guess we are in the same boat.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Does that mean number 25 and 32 are genitive, locative and accusative?
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No - not all three. Just one of them. The vertical bar means 'or'.

All of the notations in the last column come from simply looking each individual word up -- for 25 and 32, the word may be used in one of those three cases. In the context of the whole verse, obviously it will be only one of the three cases. And, because the other words in those prepositional phrases are genitive, then [ normally it would mean that ] 25 and 32 will be genitive.

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I am thinking that the difference between genitive and locative would be:

genitive -- 'upon' - "resting on top" of the right hand or forehead - i.e., "on the surface of the skin"

locative -- 'in' - "inside" of the right hand or forehead - i.e., "under the surface of the skin"

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Tintin said:
I never know what you're talking about.

:smoke: :whistle: :happy: :why:
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Maybe Its like a signature for him.I used to find it amusing but now I see it as his way of expressing his feelings.
Don't let it bother you :).
 
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Hey, there. The Epistle of Barnabas isn't an inspired writing, so it doesn't hold any weight here.
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Really?

So perhaps if you explained why Barnabas did not have the Holy Spirit, you could actually get to the heart of this thread.

I'll be waiting........
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
Really?

So perhaps if you explained why Barnabas did not have the Holy Spirit, you could actually get to the heart of this thread.

I'll be waiting........
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The epistle of Barnabas is a pseudo document and is not worth the parchment it was written on. It is a false epistle and not written by the Barnabas we find in Acts. Leave it alone.
 
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