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I'm Canadian, and I never say, "Aboot." 
Science isn't evil; science is something that God created. It's what we use to explain many things. Of course, though, there are theories that go contrary to God's Word, but those are just theories - and they are false.
Anyway, yes, I would say that God could have caused a "big bang." He could have done anything! He is God, and He is awesome!
Science isn't evil; science is something that God created. It's what we use to explain many things. Of course, though, there are theories that go contrary to God's Word, but those are just theories - and they are false.
Anyway, yes, I would say that God could have caused a "big bang." He could have done anything! He is God, and He is awesome!
T
Big Bang? Utter rubbish... I suggest you go onto www.drdino.com and go watch the Creation seminars... Cako you said you want evidence - go watch it, and you'll find evidence...
I believe that God created the earth in 6 days with 24 hours... Just because it seems impossible for us doesn't make it impossible for God. Also the sun was only created after plants.... Dont think the plants would have been able to live long hundreds of years without sunlight? >.<
Differences in the Creation Event and the Big Bang Theory
Written by: Jonathan Sampson
Before we can accept a theory of origins as being absolute, we much first examine it in light of scripture. This examination must be done with the big bang theory as well. There are some places where the Modern Big Bang Theory (MBBT) and Scripture agree, such as the fact that there was a beginning of space, matter, and a time - as indicated in the first verse of Genesis. Also, Scripture teaches that the heavens were stretched out, as does the MBBT. However, although there are a couple agreements between the two, we must not commit the fallacy of a verified prediction. That is to say, "Because the Bible says there was a beginning to space, time, and matter, and so does the MBBT, that means the MBBT theory is true." Other theories (such as Humphrey’s white hole cosmology) have other method to explain the beginning of space, time, and matter.
The MBBT and scripture do not agree on many parts, and this is the focus of our discussion now. Firstly, the time frame is vastly different. The MBBT puts the beginning of everything at around 18-20 billion years. The Bible gives us clear genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 from Christ to Adam, indicating a time frame of roughly 4,000 years from Christ to Adam (Who was present in the beginning as quoted by Christ in Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4). Today, 2,000 years after Christ, we sit at 6,000 years roughly for an age of the earth as given in scripture.
Secondly, the order in which both theories have bodies created is vastly different. With the MBBT, the sun is created prior to the earth. With the Bible, the earth is created prior to the sun. The same goes with the moon and stars. With the MBBT these bodies didn’t evolve until much later in history. With the creation account in Genesis, they were created on the following day. It’s very important that the days in Genesis be literal 24-hour days when dealing with the items created because the grass, trees, and flowers were made on day three, whereas the sun, moon, and stars were made on day four. Without the light available, the plants would wither and fade. The differences greatly outweigh the similarities.
I believe that God created the earth in 6 days with 24 hours... Just because it seems impossible for us doesn't make it impossible for God. Also the sun was only created after plants.... Dont think the plants would have been able to live long hundreds of years without sunlight? >.<
Differences in the Creation Event and the Big Bang Theory
Written by: Jonathan Sampson
Before we can accept a theory of origins as being absolute, we much first examine it in light of scripture. This examination must be done with the big bang theory as well. There are some places where the Modern Big Bang Theory (MBBT) and Scripture agree, such as the fact that there was a beginning of space, matter, and a time - as indicated in the first verse of Genesis. Also, Scripture teaches that the heavens were stretched out, as does the MBBT. However, although there are a couple agreements between the two, we must not commit the fallacy of a verified prediction. That is to say, "Because the Bible says there was a beginning to space, time, and matter, and so does the MBBT, that means the MBBT theory is true." Other theories (such as Humphrey’s white hole cosmology) have other method to explain the beginning of space, time, and matter.
The MBBT and scripture do not agree on many parts, and this is the focus of our discussion now. Firstly, the time frame is vastly different. The MBBT puts the beginning of everything at around 18-20 billion years. The Bible gives us clear genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 from Christ to Adam, indicating a time frame of roughly 4,000 years from Christ to Adam (Who was present in the beginning as quoted by Christ in Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4). Today, 2,000 years after Christ, we sit at 6,000 years roughly for an age of the earth as given in scripture.
Secondly, the order in which both theories have bodies created is vastly different. With the MBBT, the sun is created prior to the earth. With the Bible, the earth is created prior to the sun. The same goes with the moon and stars. With the MBBT these bodies didn’t evolve until much later in history. With the creation account in Genesis, they were created on the following day. It’s very important that the days in Genesis be literal 24-hour days when dealing with the items created because the grass, trees, and flowers were made on day three, whereas the sun, moon, and stars were made on day four. Without the light available, the plants would wither and fade. The differences greatly outweigh the similarities.
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I totally see where Cako is coming from as I have questioned this many times. To think that God works like a magician is absurd, He is the Great Mathematician, The Almighty, The Alpha and Omega. He created the Heavens and the Earth by speaking it into existence which to my mind started a chain reaction. Perhaps a "bing bang" happened when He spoke the Word, we will never know for sure until we are re-united with Christ.
Why is it so wrong to think that perhaps this is the physics of it, by believing in the theory of "the big bang" ?
Look into deep space and you will bare witness to Gods creation still developing, and with tremendous violence at that!
Why is it so wrong to think that perhaps this is the physics of it, by believing in the theory of "the big bang" ?
Look into deep space and you will bare witness to Gods creation still developing, and with tremendous violence at that!
C
Big Bang? Utter rubbish... I suggest you go onto www.drdino.com and go watch the Creation seminars... Cako you said you want evidence - go watch it, and you'll find evidence...
I believe that God created the earth in 6 days with 24 hours... Just because it seems impossible for us doesn't make it impossible for God. Also the sun was only created after plants.... Dont think the plants would have been able to live long hundreds of years without sunlight? >.<
Differences in the Creation Event and the Big Bang Theory
Written by: Jonathan Sampson
Before we can accept a theory of origins as being absolute, we much first examine it in light of scripture. This examination must be done with the big bang theory as well. There are some places where the Modern Big Bang Theory (MBBT) and Scripture agree, such as the fact that there was a beginning of space, matter, and a time - as indicated in the first verse of Genesis. Also, Scripture teaches that the heavens were stretched out, as does the MBBT. However, although there are a couple agreements between the two, we must not commit the fallacy of a verified prediction. That is to say, "Because the Bible says there was a beginning to space, time, and matter, and so does the MBBT, that means the MBBT theory is true." Other theories (such as Humphrey’s white hole cosmology) have other method to explain the beginning of space, time, and matter.
The MBBT and scripture do not agree on many parts, and this is the focus of our discussion now. Firstly, the time frame is vastly different. The MBBT puts the beginning of everything at around 18-20 billion years. The Bible gives us clear genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 from Christ to Adam, indicating a time frame of roughly 4,000 years from Christ to Adam (Who was present in the beginning as quoted by Christ in Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4). Today, 2,000 years after Christ, we sit at 6,000 years roughly for an age of the earth as given in scripture.
Secondly, the order in which both theories have bodies created is vastly different. With the MBBT, the sun is created prior to the earth. With the Bible, the earth is created prior to the sun. The same goes with the moon and stars. With the MBBT these bodies didn’t evolve until much later in history. With the creation account in Genesis, they were created on the following day. It’s very important that the days in Genesis be literal 24-hour days when dealing with the items created because the grass, trees, and flowers were made on day three, whereas the sun, moon, and stars were made on day four. Without the light available, the plants would wither and fade. The differences greatly outweigh the similarities.
I believe that God created the earth in 6 days with 24 hours... Just because it seems impossible for us doesn't make it impossible for God. Also the sun was only created after plants.... Dont think the plants would have been able to live long hundreds of years without sunlight? >.<
Differences in the Creation Event and the Big Bang Theory
Written by: Jonathan Sampson
Before we can accept a theory of origins as being absolute, we much first examine it in light of scripture. This examination must be done with the big bang theory as well. There are some places where the Modern Big Bang Theory (MBBT) and Scripture agree, such as the fact that there was a beginning of space, matter, and a time - as indicated in the first verse of Genesis. Also, Scripture teaches that the heavens were stretched out, as does the MBBT. However, although there are a couple agreements between the two, we must not commit the fallacy of a verified prediction. That is to say, "Because the Bible says there was a beginning to space, time, and matter, and so does the MBBT, that means the MBBT theory is true." Other theories (such as Humphrey’s white hole cosmology) have other method to explain the beginning of space, time, and matter.
The MBBT and scripture do not agree on many parts, and this is the focus of our discussion now. Firstly, the time frame is vastly different. The MBBT puts the beginning of everything at around 18-20 billion years. The Bible gives us clear genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 from Christ to Adam, indicating a time frame of roughly 4,000 years from Christ to Adam (Who was present in the beginning as quoted by Christ in Mark 10:6 and Matthew 19:4). Today, 2,000 years after Christ, we sit at 6,000 years roughly for an age of the earth as given in scripture.
Secondly, the order in which both theories have bodies created is vastly different. With the MBBT, the sun is created prior to the earth. With the Bible, the earth is created prior to the sun. The same goes with the moon and stars. With the MBBT these bodies didn’t evolve until much later in history. With the creation account in Genesis, they were created on the following day. It’s very important that the days in Genesis be literal 24-hour days when dealing with the items created because the grass, trees, and flowers were made on day three, whereas the sun, moon, and stars were made on day four. Without the light available, the plants would wither and fade. The differences greatly outweigh the similarities.
C
I think that's the problem though. Everyone is just so "stuck" in this idea that maybe scientist actually have something is rubbish. I just think that they are assuming that I agree with everything that some scientists say, well I don't. I think that scientist could have something here, and think if it is true, how awesome of aanother way to share your faith. Just by saying yea the big bang has been proven, which also proves that their is a Creator. you know? I haven't found anything in scrimpture disagreeing with it.
C
'Cako53', a 'bang' is a loud sudden explosive noise, Big Bang theory states that there was nothing then there was a loud explosion and from one singular point everything came, from nothing. Now this does not agree with the Biblical record, and indeed it is impossible and illogical, the mere statement of Big Bang is illogical and meaningless, there is no method, no catalyst, no logic, no reason, no cause (A loud noise is a reaction not a cause). The Bible defines Creation in certain stages i.e. day 1, day 2, this denotes order, predetermined composition, planning, and there is no loud bang mentioned, but that God 'spoke', in other words He communicated His concept and thoughtfully composed it in material reality. What your saying is that God could have used the Big Bang method, but that is simply not true, He did not, are you understanding this?
C
John is the greatest Theologian and he describes the very beginning of the Universe;
"In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with God, and the logos was God, the same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him not anything was made." John 1:1-3
As opposed to the illogical mumbo-jumbo of 'Big Bang' theory which states that there was orginally nothing and and there was a loud noise and out of nothing in an sudden instant came everything, well that is just moronic, there is no evidence of that, that is just a lie, the reasonable man cannot accept that, it is ridiculous, look how John says it in comparison, logos meaning conception, thought, idea, divine contemplation, in the very beginning there was something, there was God and the contemplation of God's orderly plan for a Creation, so we have Creator with the means to establish a Creation, see the logic here, there is meaning and method and outcome, and the result is God, for God to be God, He reasoned that He needed to create a physical creation, so that He could be God, the reason was God, as John says and without this logical reason and divine catalyst nothing could be made, nothing could come into physical manifestation.
'Big Bang' theory is childlike in comparison, ignorant, poorly resolved, it has no sense whatsoever.
"In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with God, and the logos was God, the same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him not anything was made." John 1:1-3
As opposed to the illogical mumbo-jumbo of 'Big Bang' theory which states that there was orginally nothing and and there was a loud noise and out of nothing in an sudden instant came everything, well that is just moronic, there is no evidence of that, that is just a lie, the reasonable man cannot accept that, it is ridiculous, look how John says it in comparison, logos meaning conception, thought, idea, divine contemplation, in the very beginning there was something, there was God and the contemplation of God's orderly plan for a Creation, so we have Creator with the means to establish a Creation, see the logic here, there is meaning and method and outcome, and the result is God, for God to be God, He reasoned that He needed to create a physical creation, so that He could be God, the reason was God, as John says and without this logical reason and divine catalyst nothing could be made, nothing could come into physical manifestation.
'Big Bang' theory is childlike in comparison, ignorant, poorly resolved, it has no sense whatsoever.
C
I understand exactly what you are saying, but you still haven't proven how God didn't use the big bang? Yes I agree that creation was done over certain days and planned out. I never said that with the bang, everything was created right away. I was just saying, why could God have not made the earth with a bang? I'm not saying I agree with this, I would just like some proof as to why this is possible, or why it isn't. I am simply interested.
You are right Groundhog. Actually Lemaitre's models were based on Einstein's theories of relativity. Einstein himself, an atheist, was uncomfortable with his mathematics, and thought that perhaps he had made a mistake. But when Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe was expanding, and that the speed at which the expansion was occurring was directly proportional to the distance from the earth, the idea of the temporal finititude of the universe became impossible to deny. Einstein himself was leaning more towards theistic beliefs later in his life.
This leads to the Kalaam argument. A basic tenent of the science of physics is that nothing begins to exist without a cause. If you take away this tenent, the science of physics would collapse. The Kalaam argument is the following:
1. Nothing comes into existence without a cause.
2. The universe is finite, therefore it came into existence.
3. The universe must have a cause, therefore an intelligence which brought it into existence.
This intelligence must be beyond and outside the universe, not depending on the universe for existence, therefore transendent. This intelligence, which we call God, created the universe "ex nihilo" or out of nothing, and brought it into being.
You are right. Just as Adam was created as a grown man, the earth could have been created in a mature state. Actually most natural chronometers point towards a young earth. Just a few examples:
1. The earth's magnetic field is weakening at a fixed rate. It has been measured for over 100 years and the rate does not change. By extrapolating back in time, the earth's magnetic field would have been greater than the suns, just a 22, 000 years ago. Life would not have been possible at this time.
2. The moon's rotation around the earth is getting further away at a fixed rate. If the moon were half as far away, the earth's land surface would be completely submerged by the tides, twice a day. 1.2 billion years ago, the moon would be touching the earth!
3. The rivers drop sediments into the oceans at a set rate per year. There are only a few thousands of years worth of sediments in the oceans.
4. The earth's rotation is slowing down. Again, by extrapolating, the much faster rotation of the earth, in our recent past, because of the coriolis affect, could not sustain life.
These are just a few of many natural chronometers that point towards a much younger earth than the science of geology tells us.
Most people are unaware of these natural chronometers, because we cannot teach them in our schools because they would be considered "religious" because they would be at odds with the government religion of evolution.
1. The earth's magnetic field is weakening at a fixed rate. It has been measured for over 100 years and the rate does not change. By extrapolating back in time, the earth's magnetic field would have been greater than the suns, just a 22, 000 years ago. Life would not have been possible at this time.
2. The moon's rotation around the earth is getting further away at a fixed rate. If the moon were half as far away, the earth's land surface would be completely submerged by the tides, twice a day. 1.2 billion years ago, the moon would be touching the earth!
3. The rivers drop sediments into the oceans at a set rate per year. There are only a few thousands of years worth of sediments in the oceans.
4. The earth's rotation is slowing down. Again, by extrapolating, the much faster rotation of the earth, in our recent past, because of the coriolis affect, could not sustain life.
These are just a few of many natural chronometers that point towards a much younger earth than the science of geology tells us.
Most people are unaware of these natural chronometers, because we cannot teach them in our schools because they would be considered "religious" because they would be at odds with the government religion of evolution.
C
Does your Bible say;
"In the beginning there was a big bang, and the big bang came from nothing, and out of nothing came everything and this was in the beginning nothing."???
Look it's not my opinion, I just gave you the scripture, you asked is the Big Bang Biblical?, and I said it was not and gave you the reason why backed by scripture and you continue to argue against the scripture, look if you want to believe in a Big Bang, than believe that, but don't try and claim that it is consistent with scripture.
"In the beginning there was a big bang, and the big bang came from nothing, and out of nothing came everything and this was in the beginning nothing."???
Look it's not my opinion, I just gave you the scripture, you asked is the Big Bang Biblical?, and I said it was not and gave you the reason why backed by scripture and you continue to argue against the scripture, look if you want to believe in a Big Bang, than believe that, but don't try and claim that it is consistent with scripture.