Bigamy and polygamy in OT

[SIMON55]

But the Bible does tell us in Psalm 14 that people do abominable deeds and that nobody does good. They say, "There is no God." And in Romans 3 it's written that nobody is righteous, not one person. Everybody goes their own way and ignores God.

Polygamy was no more acceptable in God's sight than was adultery, fornication, or murder. But people committed those acts anyway.

We only have to look at King David’s life to see how lust, greed, and power can destroy a family. There was always the problem of playing favorites, which caused jealousy, deception, and war. The lust of the flesh is never satisfied. David having several wives, including Abigail, did not prevent him from being susceptible to lusting after Bathsheba. This led to her unplanned pregnancy, her husband Uriah’s murder, and the death of a baby boy. Then came the birth of a son (Solomon) who was never his father’s favorite.

In fact, David didn’t want Solomon to have the throne. Bathsheba and Nathan concocted a plan to make sure Solomon was crowned king. Later, Bathsheba & Solomon had David’s son Adonijah killed so he wouldn’t take the kingdom from Solomon. Nothing much more is said of Abigail.

And like father, like son, Solomon had many wives and concubines. These multiple women perverted Solomon. His affections for so many women cost him the kingdom. God took it from him because of Solomon’s apostasy. He came to futility nearing the end of his life, realizing that taking pleasure in many women and pursuing an overabundance of things was meaningless. “Vanity of vanities, all is vanity,” he proclaimed.

In Proverbs 5, Solomon is warning men: Let your fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of your youth.

In Genesis, we can clearly see God’s design was Adam and Eve as husband and wife, not polygamy. Mankind has veered off that ideal path ever since. “There is nothing new under the sun,” writes Solomon. There has always been polygamy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, rape, etc. and every other sexual deviant act under the sun. But none of those are what God had in mind.

CHOOSE WHICH IS BETTER

1. A woman chooses of free will to share a husband.
2. A woman is captured because she has no protection and is taken off into slavery.

IF you claim God intended this or that or he judged polygamy. .......
........ Then why didn't he judge slavery for 400 yrs ?

Why did he allow captivity afterward.......( because of idolatry paganism I know )
But he could have punished some other way also don't you think ?

Choose and tell me which is worse....?

I think God showed the bad wife goeth into captivity.

But which is worse ?

 

[AuntieAnt]

Heel, Simon… I mean, take heed, Simon. Take heed this Word of God: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

Seriously, the Lord Jesus didn’t come to condemn but to save. I get where you’re coming from but please take it down a few notches, bru. Jesus was meek and gentle, lowly of heart. He did not talk to His followers with that kind of wrath.

And that rod of dominion over women jargon IS the reason why there is feminism. Women are tired of being considered second class to bullish men. Feminists are only trying to defend their rights. The more men come to the defense of women, the less women will have a need to rise up in anger. I’m not a feminist, but I have been a court advocate for women (and men) who have been abused. And that kind of brutish talk is a red flag. Jesus defended women against bullies and treated women with the highest respect and tenderness.

By the way: Deuteronomy 17:17 reads: “He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray.”

Oddly, it doesn’t say anything about women having multiple husbands. (Just kidding!) haha!

 

[AuntieAnt]

Dear friend and brother Simon, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus Christ would have men lay their lives down and humble themselves, lifting Christian women up above the awful position the world would want to keep them in. Jesus always came to the defense of women. He always lifted them up above men's judgment and condemnation. Simon, there ain't no emasculation in being like Jesus Christ. Satan is a liar. A man of God is strong because of the power of God, not of brute strength or ruling over women. "It's not by might nor power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord." \/

 

[SIMON55]

Hope you don't get called to jury duty.
You will be facing a dilemma.
Maybe you could tell them you are a conscientious objector.😀

 

[SIMON55]

Heel, Simon… I mean, take heed, Simon. Take heed this Word of God: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

Seriously, the Lord Jesus didn’t come to condemn but to save. I get where you’re coming from but please take it down a few notches, bru. Jesus was meek and gentle, lowly of heart. He did not talk to His followers with that kind of wrath.

And that rod of dominion over women jargon IS the reason why there is feminism. Women are tired of being considered second class to bullish men. Feminists are only trying to defend their rights. The more men come to the defense of women, the less women will have a need to rise up in anger. I’m not a feminist, but I have been a court advocate for women (and men) who have been abused. And that kind of brutish talk is a red flag. Jesus defended women against bullies and treated women with the highest respect and tenderness.

By the way: Deuteronomy 17:17 reads: “He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray.”

Oddly, it doesn’t say anything about women having multiple husbands. (Just kidding!) haha!

LOL.....I have never abused anyone.
YEP YOUR RIGHT LOTS OF LOVE FROM THE LAMB IN THE GOSPELS......

BUT THEN JESUS COMES BACK ANGRY LATER.......

THERE IS THIS BOOK CALLED REVELATION.....


HE SAYS IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE OF YOU WHO ARE STILL WICKED !!!!!!!!

You want me to start throwing up all the bloody scriptures and wars he's going to fight scriptures ?

KIND OF A ONE EYED CHRISTIAN AIN'T ya.....LOL😀

YOU can see the lamb that was slaughtered but not the Lion who is returning.


A Bull doesnt have to horn a cow to get her to breed.

You know what the young Bull said to the old bull don't you ?
" Lets run down there and breed one of those cows"

AND THE OLD BULL SAID

" Let's walk down there and breed them ALL !!! "

I GUESS THE OLD BULL WAS A POLYGAMYST !!!!!

Hey.....one eye.....LOL😀
ever read Isaiah 63........?

JESUS LOVES YOU......😀
So does SIMON55....
BUT........you want to see a BULL.....?
Actually it's A LION THAT USED TO BE A LAMB......
Here ya go....read about the lambs wool being died red with blood!!!!




YES JESUS LOVES US THIS I KNOW.......now can we look at the rest the evidence please?

 

[SIMON55]

LOL.....I have never abused anyone.
YEP YOUR RIGHT LOTS OF LOVE FROM THE LAMB IN THE GOSPELS......

BUT THEN JESUS COMES BACK ANGRY LATER.......

THERE IS THIS BOOK CALLED REVELATION.....


HE SAYS IM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE OF YOU WHO ARE STILL WICKED !!!!!!!!

You want me to start throwing up all the bloody scriptures and wars he's going to fight scriptures ?

KIND OF A ONE EYED CHRISTIAN AIN'T ya.....LOL😀

YOU can see the lamb that was slaughtered but not the Lion who is returning.


A Bull doesnt have to horn a cow to get her to breed.

You know what the young Bull said to the old bull don't you ?
" Lets run down there and breed one of those cows"

AND THE OLD BULL SAID

" Let's walk down there and breed them ALL !!! "

I GUESS THE OLD BULL WAS A POLYGAMYST !!!!!

Hey.....one eye.....LOL😀
ever read Isaiah 63........?

JESUS LOVES YOU......😀
So does SIMON55....
BUT........you want to see a BULL.....?
Actually it's A LION THAT USED TO BE A LAMB......
Here ya go....read about the lambs wool being died red with blood!!!!

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YES JESUS LOVES US THIS I KNOW.......now can we look at the rest the evidence please?

 

[SIMON55]

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That was AD 70.... HE WIPED THEM OUT..... You want the rest of it or you want to look at what Ezekiel has in the future for us or you want to move on to REVELATION?

Jesus loves you!😀

 

[SIMON55]

Dear friend and brother Simon, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus Christ would have men lay their lives down and humble themselves, lifting Christian women up above the awful position the world would want to keep them in. Jesus always came to the defense of women. He always lifted them up above men's judgment and condemnation. Simon, there ain't no emasculation in being like Jesus Christ. Satan is a liar. A man of God is strong because of the power of God, not of brute strength or ruling over women. "It's not by might nor power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord." \/

Which Testament do you want to discuss?
THE OT WAS MIGHT AND POWER....
REVELATION IS MIGHT AND POWER..
AD 70 ( ISAIAH 63 ) WAS MIGHT AND POWER
EZEKIEL IS MIGHT AND POWER NOT YET FULFILLED
ZECHARIAH IS MIGHT AND POWER NOT YET FULFILLED
DANIEL IS MIGHT AND POWER NOT TOTALLY FULFILLED

THE DAY OF THE LORD IS MIGHT AND POWER
MIGHT AND POWER IS COMING.....GOD SAYS HIS MIGHT AND POWER IS COMING.....
THE KINGDOM COMES IN WITH MIGHT AND POWER!!!
😀..... According to his word his might and power is coming !!!😀

 

[SIMON55]

Dear friend and brother Simon, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus Christ would have men lay their lives down and humble themselves, lifting Christian women up above the awful position the world would want to keep them in. Jesus always came to the defense of women. He always lifted them up above men's judgment and condemnation. Simon, there ain't no emasculation in being like Jesus Christ. Satan is a liar. A man of God is strong because of the power of God, not of brute strength or ruling over women. "It's not by might nor power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord." \/

I laid down everything I had to give for the wrong people apparently.....
Call me a bad judge of character I guess....I never laid a glove on any of them supported them fed clothed them and children.
Was always faithful and loving .😀 I didn't reap what I sewed.

 

[Lanolin]

Well the woman at the well had five husbands. John gospel doesnt say if she had them all at the same time. Maybe it was the custom in Samaria.

Im just wondering for KIng Solomon, did he house all his wives together or what, or he just kept marrying them one after the other, or he married a whole lot at once. Or was it like a revolving door. I mean how can you fit 300 women in a house anyway. His home must have been bigger than the temple.

Queen Esther, it does not say if she was King xerxes second wife or just one of many. Vashti may not even have been the first. Maybe he had a new one every month.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Some bible questions...and I will look up scriptures too, cos I would like to know..

Was David married to Abigail at the time he was going after Bathsheba? If so, why was he going after Bathesheba if he already had a wife? What happened to Michal? And was Abishag also his wife, or just a mistress or concubine?

Did moses laws ever set a limit on how many wives a husband could have? Did things completely change when Jesus came or were there still people marrying more than one wife? Is bigamy the same as polygamy, how about serial marriages. What about women could they have more than one husband?

There are many husbands with two or more wives in the OT, and it does say that one ends up loving one and hating the other.

Eg Lamech..Adah and Zillah. Not sure what happened there but he seemed to have killed someone. genesis 4
JAcob (israel) Rachel and Leah, plus their maids bore children..would they be concubines then. The sisters hated each other and competed for Jacobs affections
Abraham with sarah and maid Hagar, after sarah died he married Ketubah and had MORE children. hagar got uppity and ended up hating sarah who treated her harshly after she gave birth
Elkanah had Penninah and Hannah, Penninah mocked hannah for being unable to bear children till she had samuel

Why did these men bother to have two wives when those wives werent getting along?! What is the rationale for having more than one wife?

Then solomon had like 700 wives and 300 concubines I mean how is that even possible?? Did he have one each week or what. If he had 700 wives, then what a sham the song of solomon was. The bride in it is just one of many or is it just ok for a husband to have many wives but for a woman she can have only one husband.

Can anyone explain.

David and Solomon where not exactly bonded to their wives.
A passing fancy is best description, or a guaranteed way of getting a son, and for the woman
having a child who could claim royal descent.

This reminds me of the queen ant producing continuous offspring.
If you had a child would you not want it to be like King David? Would you be willing to sacrifice
everything for this chance. Clearly Bathsheba had no difficulties going down this road.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Which Testament do you want to discuss?
THE OT WAS MIGHT AND POWER....
REVELATION IS MIGHT AND POWER..
AD 70 ( ISAIAH 63 ) WAS MIGHT AND POWER
EZEKIEL IS MIGHT AND POWER NOT YET FULFILLED
ZECHARIAH IS MIGHT AND POWER NOT YET FULFILLED
DANIEL IS MIGHT AND POWER NOT TOTALLY FULFILLED

THE DAY OF THE LORD IS MIGHT AND POWER
MIGHT AND POWER IS COMING.....GOD SAYS HIS MIGHT AND POWER IS COMING.....
THE KINGDOM COMES IN WITH MIGHT AND POWER!!!
😀..... According to his word his might and power is coming !!!😀

 

[Locoponydirtman]

We have a hard time understanding what was going on in those days because we live in very different times.
For much of the old testament times there were no police as we know it today. The patriarchal family was the only protection a woman. She was vulnerable to the whim of what ever man passed by. So being married was her best option. Look at what happened in Gibeah to the Levite's concubine. Neither he nor the old man we're strong enough to protect her. This was an extreme situation but it kind of cues you in on how dangerous it could be.

 

[SIMON55]

LOL......I should have known you would have more gifs than me.....well I fueled the thread.....let's see if you can fan the 🔥 flame on the burning bush to keep it going LOL😀

 

[SIMON55]

I don't know who that top person is......Is that you ?
LOL😀

 

[SIMON55]

Dear friend and brother Simon, I know without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus Christ would have men lay their lives down and humble themselves, lifting Christian women up above the awful position the world would want to keep them in. Jesus always came to the defense of women. He always lifted them up above men's judgment and condemnation. Simon, there ain't no emasculation in being like Jesus Christ. Satan is a liar. A man of God is strong because of the power of God, not of brute strength or ruling over women. "It's not by might nor power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord." \/

The lords spirit of marriage was mutual submission as co equals but each had an assigned role the man had the leadership position and was to lovingly lead the helpmeet woman was to joyfully follow but that was corrupted by the fall into sinful nature......
...... Now you have a war of wills.....the womans desire
for /( against ) man Gen. 3:16 is turned against him in sin she does not want to submit to his leadership even a lot of the time when his leadership is loving. She wants to control and lead. She was lead by a creature in the fall and the man was lead by her in the fall and also sinned because he wasn't being lead by God when he did sin.....which is the reverse of Gods natural order.....
......So....the war is on....the woman doesn't want to submit to loving leadership and the man wants to sin also and rule by dominance instead of love.
.......of course from my male blameless selfish perspective....LOL😀
........I SEE....SATAN and the rebellious nonsubmissive woman as my defilers and instigators.....LOL.....
......but of course the womans perspective is she sees herself the victim caught in a three way powerplay and struggling to find her own identity therein.
......The reality of the conflict is circular in nature it leads back to the original incident of man making the mistake of allowing himself to be lead by a woman instead of God.
........today we also have the Irony of the woman telling us we should be lead by God , Then turning around and saying but follow my lead also......DEMASCULATION!!!
And the man fails also with sinful tendency to lead by domination instead of Godliness.
😀
I claim defilement and victimization also that I never had a woman christian enough to respect or submit to godliness!
.......probably will never be that lucky.....poor poor pitiful me......somebody call me a Whaaaaahmbulance!.....LOL
😀
.

 

[Lanolin]

We have a hard time understanding what was going on in those days because we live in very different times.
For much of the old testament times there were no police as we know it today. The patriarchal family was the only protection a woman. She was vulnerable to the whim of what ever man passed by. So being married was her best option. Look at what happened in Gibeah to the Levite's concubine. Neither he nor the old man we're strong enough to protect her. This was an extreme situation but it kind of cues you in on how dangerous it could be.

What happened again? Was this the lady who was cut up into twelve pieces...?

 

[Lanolin]

David and Solomon where not exactly bonded to their wives.
A passing fancy is best description, or a guaranteed way of getting a son, and for the woman
having a child who could claim royal descent.

This reminds me of the queen ant producing continuous offspring.
If you had a child would you not want it to be like King David? Would you be willing to sacrifice
everything for this chance. Clearly Bathsheba had no difficulties going down this road.

Was it like a harem. What about the other Kings did they have as many, cos they were rich. Or normal, non-king men. Whats the difference between a concubine and a wife? Was it like a competition to see who could produce the most heirs...?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Was it like a harem. What about the other Kings did they have as many, cos they were rich. Or normal, non-king men. Whats the difference between a concubine and a wife? Was it like a competition to see who could produce the most heirs...?

A wife can have children who can inherit the throne, a concubine is like a slave or
a mistress, something for fun but not children, or at least of lower status than the wives.

Concubines where kept as protected from other relationships so not like prostitutes,
but not valued properly or respected.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

What happened again? Was this the lady who was cut up into twelve pieces...?

Yes! Horrific story. Then 10 of the other tribes come and kill nearly all the Benjamites.