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LOL ---OK you seem to want to be right ---so for you you are right-------------- but for me you are missing the mark --the Holy Spirit was very much rubbed on God's people ---in the Old Testament ------you better go back and read the chapters -----The Jews were well versed on the Holy Spirit ------

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/holy-spirit/10-roles-of-the-holy-spirit-in-the-old-testament.html
10 Roles of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament

1. The Spirit Created and Sustained Life
We observe the initial work of the Holy Spirit in Genesis. The Spirit hovered over the waters that God made out of nothing (Genesis 1:1-2), bringing life and setting things in order.

The Spirit of God was involved in creating and sustaining all natural life (Psalm 104:30).


2. The Spirit Spoke God’s Words
Throughout the Old Testament, the Spirit of God is connected to God’s words. The Lord said He would put His words in His people’s mouths (Isaiah 59:21). In 2 Samuel 23:2, David said the Spirit of the Lord spoke through him.

Old Testament saints received God’s words through their prophets and leaders. Moses told the Israelites, “The word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so that you may obey it” (Deuteronomy 30:14).



3. The Spirit Promoted Holiness
The Spirit is holy. In the Old Testament, God contended with humans in their sinful nature, and Jehovah wisely limited man’s years (Genesis 6:3). The escalating evil (Genesis 6:5-6) proved Romans 3:23 is true: “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” God’s people “rebelled and grieved” His Holy Spirit (Isaiah 63:7-10), and as a result, God in His holiness fought against them.



4. The Spirit Addressed Evil
Genesis 6:3suggests the Holy Spirit restrains sin, and He motivates God’s people to confront it. The prophet Micah was bold to denounce evil and declare the righteousness of God, and he attributed this to filling by the Spirit of the Lord (Micah 3:8). Micah said the Spirit filled him with “justice and might, to declare to Jacob his transgression and to Israel his sin.”

Before the crucifixion of Christ, the Holy Spirit gave John the Baptizer, Jesus’ cousin and His forerunner, that same powerful filling (Luke 1:15). John was bold to denounce evil, even though it cost him his life (Mark 6:14-29).

5. The Spirit Regenerated
Old Testament believers were regenerated by the Spirit, because all believers must be regenerated to overcome their natural hostility toward God and be able to please Him
When Nicodemus seemed confused after Jesus said new birth by the Spirit was necessary for salvation, Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Are you a teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand this?” (John 3:10) Jesus seemed to say Nicodemus, a religious teacher in Israel, should have understood the Spirit’s role in the “new birth” even in Old Testament times.




6. The Spirit Indwelled
In regard to the indwelling or filling by the Spirit in the Old Testament, most scholars believe the indwelling was selective and temporary.
This is in contrast to the New Testament where the Spirit permanently indwells believers (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19-20).

The Spirit was said to “come upon” Old Testament believers for God’s purposes. Joshua was filled with the Spirit and commissioned to lead Israel after Moses’ death (Numbers 27:12-23). Othniel (Numbers 27:18; Judges 3:10) was empowered by the Spirit to judge God’s people and lead them in war.


7. The Spirit Empowered
As the Jews returned from the Babylonian exile, the Lord encouraged them to build His temple. He wanted them to know He would protect them from threats and enable them to be courageous. God told His people through Haggai, “… my Spirit remains among you. Do not fear” (2:5).

At times, the Holy Spirit empowered God’s people, helping them go beyond their own abilities. The Spirit of the Lord came “mightily” upon Sampson. In one instance, the Spirit took control and Sampson tore a lion apart; and another time—as Sampson took vengeance on the Philistines—ropes that bound him snapped like burned flax (Judges 14:5-6; 15:14).

8. The Spirit Taught and Led
Ezra said of God, “You gave your good Spirit to instruct them” (Nehemiah 9:20). Old Testament believers were enabled by the Spirit to understand what God said to them, especially through the words of the prophets—even if they refused to listen (Nehemiah 9:30).

In other instances, the Spirit gave instruction to individuals. For example, David gave his son Solomon the plans for the temple “that the Spirit had put in his mind” (1 Chronicles 28:10-12).

The Spirit gave God’s people understanding (Job 32:8). The psalmist wanted to know God’s will, and he asked the Lord to allow His “gracious Spirit” to lead him to firm footing (Psalm 143:10).

9. The Spirit Granted Special Skills
The Holy Spirit gifted Old Testament individuals to accomplish God’s divine plans. When God told Israel how He wanted His tabernacle built, He also equipped craftsmen and artisans by His Spirit to do the work (Exodus 31:1-5).
The Spirit enabled saints like Joseph (Genesis 41:1-38) to interpret God’s revelation through dreams, and He gave some believers a gift of prophecy. (Numbers 11:25).

The Spirit came upon and empowered God’s prophets, priests, and kings in special ways, gifting them for service. Prophets preached God’s word, the priests interceded for God’s people, and kings were anointed to lead Israel against God’s enemies (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Chronicles 24:20; 1 Samuel 16:13).

10. The Spirit Pointed to the Messiah
Isaiah prophesied about Israel’s coming Messiah, noting that the Spirit would rest upon Him (Isaiah 42:1). When Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River, Luke says “the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove” (Luke 3:22).
No, I am not wanting to be right, nor am I saying jews are stupid as you assumed.

Let's you and I do not have a discussion on my thread and you start your own on when did the Pharisees know about the Holy Spirit ok.

I am very familiar with the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament nor did I say HE was not there. You can argue what it is you like or think without me. And I can be wrong, and I do not need for you to agree with my understanding, but you are trying to change it seems.

Thank you
 
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and I do not need for you to agree with my understanding, but you are trying to change it seems
No --I am not trying to change anything that you think ----I could careless what you believe personally ----you have every right to have your belief and I have the right to my belief -----


This is your post to me -----

Please sure me where the Holy Spirit was upon all people in the Old Testament better yet all the Jews or Hebrews? He was not.

I just showed you the works of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament on God's chosen who are the Jews like you ask me to do ---
 

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No --I am not trying to change anything that you think ----I could careless what you believe personally ----you have every right to have your belief and I have the right to my belief -----


This is your post to me -----
the work of the Holy Spirit and knowing who HE was are two different things Earlier Hebrew in the Old Testament were most knowledgeable of God the Creator unless they were a Prophet who God's Spirit came upon. Yes, the Holy Spirit's actions are seen I the word of God you are correct. That is doctrinal things of the Holy Spirit known as Pneumology yet your well provided

"10 Roles of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament "

do not say the People knew it was the Holy Spirit in the context of the Holy Spirit outside The name Lord God El Shaddi Self-Existent One. Adam, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, the judges, the Kings, the Preist, the Prophets, all knew. There are many roles of the Holy Spirit you are correct. That is not what I am talking about.
 

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Anyone who has received Jesus as their Lord and saviour and has experienced the Goodness of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will never want to blaspheme the Holy Goodness and Blessings that they experience -----so I do not believe the unpardonable sin is relevant for today -----
This is not completely true.

Those who have received Jesus into their lives have been SAVED. However, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit comes through SANCTIFICATION. This MAY happen at the same time as salvation, but not always. The Apostle Paul ran into a bunch of folks who were saved but had never even heard of the Holy Spirit.

Sanctification comes by sanctified believers laying hands on and praying over a believer that has been saved........

The unpardonable sin is surely relevant for today.

IMO, those who deny the Holy Spirit are guilty of it. Jesus said whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit...........certainly saying that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Third Person of the Holy Trinity is speaking against the Holy Spirit.

This is not complicated.
 
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Those who have received Jesus into their lives have been SAVED. However, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit comes through SANCTIFICATION. This MAY happen at the same time as salvation, but not always.
I say --now you make this statement ------However, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit comes through SANCTIFICATION. This MAY happen at the same time as salvation, but not always

i say -------Now back it up with scripture -------

This Scripture says this ------there is no mention of some receiving and some not ----so prove your saying with scripture -----Sanctification means you are set apart and made Holy ----you are heaven bound ------and our sanctification in maturing in our Christ like character is helped by and through having the indwelling of the Holy spirit ------without Christ in you --you cannot mature in anything by yourself ------

Ephesians 1:11-14 AMP

11 In Him also we have [a]received an inheritance [a destiny—we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ [who first put our confidence in Him as our Lord and Savior] would exist to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

14 The Spirit is the [b]guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.

I say -----
What your saying here is that God picks and chooses who will get the Holy Spirit at the time of Salvation and who will not -----That goes against scripture which says about God ---

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This is from got questions --read all ---I am just posting this ------
https://www.gotquestions.org/justification-sanctification-glorification.html

How are justification, sanctification, and glorification related?

The terms Christians use to describe these important moments are justification, sanctification, and glorification. These three words are used to describe the Christian journey from new birth to resurrection.

First, we should remember what these words mean. Here are some definitions:

Justification is “an act of God whereby He pronounces a sinner to be righteous because of that sinner’s faith in Christ.” We are justified, or declared righteous, at the moment of our salvation.

Sanctification is “the process by which Christians are set apart for God from the rest of the world, or the process by which Christians are made holy.”

Progressive, or experiential, sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity.

Glorification is “God’s final removal of sin from the life of the saints so that they stand faultless before Him in glory in eternity” (Romans 8:18; 2 Corinthians 4:17). At Christ’s coming, the glory of God (Romans 5:2)—His honor, praise, majesty, and holiness—will be realized in us; we will have direct and unhindered access to God’s presence, and we will enjoy holy communion with Him throughout eternity.


As mentioned above, these three words describe the full process of salvation. As Christians, we were justified when we confessed Christ and believed (Romans 10:9), we are sanctified as we grow in holiness through the work of the Spirit (Ephesians 4:11–32; Galatians 5:16–24), and we will someday be glorified when we are resurrected into eternal life (Colossians 3:4). Justification is a one-time event, sanctification is a process, and glorification is a future event.

If you are a Christian, you are guaranteed all three steps (see Romans 8:29–30). You are forever justified, you are being sanctified, and you will for sure be glorified (1 Corinthians 6:11). All three of these amazing things are from God’s grace, not because of anything you have done or will do to earn them (Ephesians 2:8–9). You cannot earn your justification, you cannot achieve your sanctification, and you cannot merit your glorification. God makes all these things happen out of His love for you, by His grace alone (Romans 3:24; 2 Corinthians 9:8; Philippians 2:13; Titus 2:11). If you are trying to achieve any of these three things by your own power, you will inevitably fail. Instead, ask God for His grace, rely on His power, and walk by the Spirit.
 

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1 John 5:16 KJV
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
KJV: King James Version

There is a sin unto death.....Some will say that is simply unbelief.

I say, it couldn't be simply unbelief because we are instructed not to even pray for those that commit it. Meaning there is no hope for them at all.

We know we are to pray for unbelievers so to me this seems to be speaking of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Which Jesus said is a sin that will not be forgiven.
 

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Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is the only unforgivable sin that the Bible speaks of. Unbelief is forgivable if that person repents. No repentance for blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

So yeah, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit definitely shouldn't be weaponized or spoken of lightly.
 

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1 John 5:16 KJV
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
KJV: King James Version

There is a sin unto death.....Some will say that is simply unbelief.

I say, it couldn't be simply unbelief because we are instructed not to even pray for those that commit it. Meaning there is no hope for them at all.

We know we are to pray for unbelievers so to me this seems to be speaking of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Which Jesus said is a sin that will not be forgiven.
I see what you’re saying, but all sin leads to spiritual death. So do you think 1 John 5:16 could be talking about suicide?
 

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I see what you’re saying, but all sin leads to spiritual death. So do you think 1 John 5:16 could be talking about suicide?
I thought about that as well. It is possible. Seems there would be no chance for repentance after committing suicide, either.

Then we have blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that Jesus warned against and said that it will not be forgiven.
 

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I thought about that as well. It is possible. Seems there would be no chance for repentance after committing suicide, either.

Then we have blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that Jesus warned against and said that it will not be forgiven.
I believe literally every sin a person does will be forgiven, even suicide, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12:31 is unique in that it clearly says that literally all sins will be forgiven except for one.

Matthew 12:31
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
 

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I believe literally every sin a person does will be forgiven, even suicide, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12:31 is unique in that it clearly says that literally all sins will be forgiven except for one.

Matthew 12:31
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Agree with you on the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

Not sure about suicide. That's why I think that verse I quoted earlier may be talking about blasphemy rather than suicide.

Still, in my opinion suicide would be a very dangerous sin to commit. I think we may have discussed this before.

I don't believe there is any chance for salvation after death... now. We live, we die, and then the judgement. So that would put suicide on very dangerous ground in my opinion.

I know some people who have lost loved ones to suicide. They want to have hope that their loved ones will be saved, but I'm not completely convinced of that. And I definitely don't want to give anyone who is contemplating suicide a hope if there is none. Like I said, I'm not sure but think it would truly be on shaking and dangerous ground, in my opinion.
 
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I think we need to remember, When jesus did anything, including teach, it was via the HS. He did nothing of his own.

So to deny the gospel and everything the HS does to share or empower the gospel of Jesus CHrist, is to deny the HS. or to "dissent" from the HS.

int its pure form. this in effect is to blaspheme the HS

Jesus said whoever believes is not condemned

Whoever does not believe is condemned already becvause they do not believe

the only unpardonable sin is unbelief, Unbelief is in effect calling the HS a liar. which is effect is blaspheming the HS.

Suicide is a sin, ALl manner of sin will be forgiven men
 

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Not trying to derail the thread, but I have a question regarding this topic. If anyone wants to answer, I would appreciate that.


I often hear Christians say something along the lines of "If you are worried you blasphemed the Holy Spirit, then you most likely haven't."


Do you agree or disagree with that?
 

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I often hear Christians say something along the lines of "If you are worried you blasphemed the Holy Spirit, then you most likely haven't." Do you agree or disagree with that?
That would be correct. Those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit will not worry about it.
 

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I was not going to participate in this thread, but would like to offer another Viewpoint.

It's rather clear, many are familiar with Matthew 12 and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Which is to say the Holy Spirit is equal to Satan as the Pharisees accused Yeshua of.

I would like to offer, since Yeshua also made it clear, you can say anything bad about the Father and the Son and still be forgiven, but not the Holy Spirit.

I would then offer up that claiming the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as being Demonic is saying that the Holy Spirit is Demonic, since the GIFTS {come from} the Holy Spirit!

And if you've been taught that certain Gifts of the Holy Spirit have Failed/Ceased/Vanished, then when you call the Gifts Demonic, the Reason you do not feel guilty is because you've been trained by false doctrines to believe as such.

So, it is possible, to have Committed Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and not feel guilt, because the hardest False Doctrines to overcome, are the ones we learned as Children and grew up thinking are Gospel to the Word of God!
 

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Jesus is the only person in the word of God who said anything about blasphemy the Holy Spirit. No one else in scripture has used it. many have said what they think it is, Jesus very clearly shows us it is equating the word of the Holy Spirit to that of the devil. Some suggest it is rejecting salvation because you go to help forever if you die unsaved. Jesus did n to say that was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. What did Jesus say?

Matthew 12:22-32

22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and[fn] mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub,the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.




Mark 3: 22-30

22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebub,” and, “By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.”
23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27 No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”30 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”


Luke 12:10

10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.


many times chritians say to a person " you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Why are you judging a person with eternal damnation? This sin is a sin of knowledge, meaning you have to know who the Holy Spirit is to blasphemy HIM. many weaponize the term to attack those they disagree with I would Caution you to be very careful in your telling person they have done what is known as the unpardonable sin. Jesus said Judge not yet many will tell a person they did this when they don't know the heart of the person.

30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”
Jesus said to those scribes a very serious admonishment. Jesus did not say they did, in fact, do this sin because he said you can speak about me and I will forgive you BUT if you speak the way you did to me about the Holy Spirit saying he is doing the work of the devil you are in serious eternal jeopardy. They did not know what they were saying they just wanted to discredit Jesus.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a sin of knowledge. many people are suffering because "Christians" have told those who they disagree with you have done this sin. They sink into serious torment and depravity. YOU have NO busnieses doing that.


FYI Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-5


1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

If you think a person has done this pray for them and tell them to be very careful and leave them to the Lord so you don't make judgments that will cause you to suffer. Some weaponize this as common as saying everything is a false teaching or false teacher. Be very careful. You are playing with fire.
Jesus performed a miracle thru the Holy Spirit. People said He did it thru a demon. Jesus said that was unforgiveable.

A believer performs a miracle thru the Holy Spirit. People say it was done thru a demon. How is that any different?

I for one will continue warning, not judging but warning, any who say legitimate gifts are demon inspired.
 
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I was not going to participate in this thread, but would like to offer another Viewpoint.

It's rather clear, many are familiar with Matthew 12 and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Which is to say the Holy Spirit is equal to Satan as the Pharisees accused Yeshua of.

I would like to offer, since Yeshua also made it clear, you can say anything bad about the Father and the Son and still be forgiven, but not the Holy Spirit.

I would then offer up that claiming the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as being Demonic is saying that the Holy Spirit is Demonic, since the GIFTS {come from} the Holy Spirit!

And if you've been taught that certain Gifts of the Holy Spirit have Failed/Ceased/Vanished, then when you call the Gifts Demonic, the Reason you do not feel guilty is because you've been trained by false doctrines to believe as such.

So, it is possible, to have Committed Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and not feel guilt, because the hardest False Doctrines to overcome, are the ones we learned as Children and grew up thinking are Gospel to the Word of God!
Blaspheme God you will surely die.
Consider
Lev 24:16Whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD must surely be put to death; the whole assembly must surely stone him, whether he is a foreign resident or native; if he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
It is applicable to this world.
Matt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In this world or the next. If you believe that Jesus the Jewish Messiah would say it is ok to blasphemy the God of Jesus, I really think you are mistaken and refrain from teaching or speaking it.

Teaching something not in the Scriptures, willfully and knowingly, is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and as you say spitting on/contradicting the words of persons Gifted with the Holy Spirit may deny the Salvation of your fellow sinner. Teaching something unwittingly that may deny Salvation will also be punished. Denying someone the chance of a 2nd life is murder on a whole new scale.

Leviticus 5:17 If someone sins and violates any of the LORD's commandments even though he was unaware, he is guilty and shall bear his punishment.
 

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Blaspheme God you will surely die.
Consider
Lev 24:16Whoever blasphemes the name of the LORD must surely be put to death; the whole assembly must surely stone him, whether he is a foreign resident or native; if he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
It is applicable to this world.
Matt 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In this world or the next. If you believe that Jesus the Jewish Messiah would say it is ok to blasphemy the God of Jesus, I really think you are mistaken and refrain from teaching or speaking it.

Teaching something not in the Scriptures, willfully and knowingly, is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and as you say spitting on/contradicting the words of persons Gifted with the Holy Spirit may deny the Salvation of your fellow sinner. Teaching something unwittingly that may deny Salvation will also be punished. Denying someone the chance of a 2nd life is murder on a whole new scale.

Leviticus 5:17 If someone sins and violates any of the LORD's commandments even though he was unaware, he is guilty and shall bear his punishment.
I do not believe it is ever OK to Blaspheme God!

I am only stating what Christ said in Matthew 12:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
 

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I was not going to participate in this thread, but would like to offer another Viewpoint.

It's rather clear, many are familiar with Matthew 12 and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Which is to say the Holy Spirit is equal to Satan as the Pharisees accused Yeshua of.

I would like to offer, since Yeshua also made it clear, you can say anything bad about the Father and the Son and still be forgiven, but not the Holy Spirit.

I would then offer up that claiming the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as being Demonic is saying that the Holy Spirit is Demonic, since the GIFTS {come from} the Holy Spirit!

And if you've been taught that certain Gifts of the Holy Spirit have Failed/Ceased/Vanished, then when you call the Gifts Demonic, the Reason you do not feel guilty is because you've been trained by false doctrines to believe as such.

So, it is possible, to have Committed Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and not feel guilt, because the hardest False Doctrines to overcome, are the ones we learned as Children and grew up thinking are Gospel to the Word of God!
2 Tim. 3:5
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 

SophieT

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I was not going to participate in this thread, but would like to offer another Viewpoint.

It's rather clear, many are familiar with Matthew 12 and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Which is to say the Holy Spirit is equal to Satan as the Pharisees accused Yeshua of.

I would like to offer, since Yeshua also made it clear, you can say anything bad about the Father and the Son and still be forgiven, but not the Holy Spirit.

I would then offer up that claiming the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as being Demonic is saying that the Holy Spirit is Demonic, since the GIFTS {come from} the Holy Spirit!

And if you've been taught that certain Gifts of the Holy Spirit have Failed/Ceased/Vanished, then when you call the Gifts Demonic, the Reason you do not feel guilty is because you've been trained by false doctrines to believe as such.

So, it is possible, to have Committed Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and not feel guilt, because the hardest False Doctrines to overcome, are the ones we learned as Children and grew up thinking are Gospel to the Word of God!

I've thought that for some time