Book Of Enoch?
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I'll elaborate on the "and?" for you, I can tell you are confused.
You are trying to revive a conversation that was had 5 years ago with people who no longer use the website.
When you participate on a forum, it's wise to look at how long ago the posts were made, especially when quoting people and asking them to cite their sources.
Do you understand now? I can break it down more if you need.
You are trying to revive a conversation that was had 5 years ago with people who no longer use the website.
When you participate on a forum, it's wise to look at how long ago the posts were made, especially when quoting people and asking them to cite their sources.
Do you understand now? I can break it down more if you need.
Sorry to get back so late.
Yes, Enoch 1:9 exists in Aramaic.
The best source for a translation of all of Aramaic Enoch is called the "Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition" it is also in the Logos Bible software suite.
Yes, the parchments upon which Aramaic Enoch exists have been dated to that range of dates. Some 3rd century BC.
Yes, Enoch 1:9 exists in Aramaic.
The best source for a translation of all of Aramaic Enoch is called the "Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition" it is also in the Logos Bible software suite.
Yes, the parchments upon which Aramaic Enoch exists have been dated to that range of dates. Some 3rd century BC.
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Why then did Jesus Himself say, "NO MAN ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man!" (John 3:13.)?
There is a lot I could say about all this, but just 1 question, as I asked you before... how is it possible the Elijah wrote a letter to the king, about 10 years past the whirlwind event? ( II Chronicles 21:12-15.)
"translated" is used elswhere in scripture, doesn't necessarilly mean carred up to heaven, Colossians 1:13. The Father "hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son."
I wish you would look into it instead of brushing me off. But if you do not, I won't bother you about it anymore.
+edit to say translated does not have to mean carried up to heaven where Almighty is, as there are more than 1 heaven, as in where the birds are.
There is a lot I could say about all this, but just 1 question, as I asked you before... how is it possible the Elijah wrote a letter to the king, about 10 years past the whirlwind event? ( II Chronicles 21:12-15.)
"translated" is used elswhere in scripture, doesn't necessarilly mean carred up to heaven, Colossians 1:13. The Father "hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son."
I wish you would look into it instead of brushing me off. But if you do not, I won't bother you about it anymore.
+edit to say translated does not have to mean carried up to heaven where Almighty is, as there are more than 1 heaven, as in where the birds are.
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Here is the Scripture account of what happened:
2 Ki 2:11
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
KJV
If you still have a problem with it take it up with God.
Perhaps it is because only Jesus ascended under His own power. Enoch and Elijah were taken.
Sorry I intend to cite the original post but sometimes miss.
The Book of Enoch was considered the authentic writings of the Biblical Enoch in Apostolic times. It was considered Bible to many for a few centuries after. In the Latin and Greek worlds it fell into disrepute as neo-platonic philosophical assumptions came to dominate those churches as they do to this day. (ie. spirit = good, ideal, superior material = base, inferior) The Book of Enoch has always been Scripture in Ethiopia. The Jews of Ethiopia claim to be older than the Church there and when there was a mass immigration of Jews into the Church there the Book of Enoch came with them. As far as anyone can tell the Book of ENoch has always been in Ethiopian Bibles.
I know an Iritrean Evangleical Christian who showed me his protestant Bible printed by the UBS which includes Enoch.
In ancient times Enoch is listed as part of the Bible in Armenian Orthodoxy.
Here is an overview I wrote: http://timecapsule.thebookofenoch.info/sample1.pdf
The Book of Enoch was considered the authentic writings of the Biblical Enoch in Apostolic times. It was considered Bible to many for a few centuries after. In the Latin and Greek worlds it fell into disrepute as neo-platonic philosophical assumptions came to dominate those churches as they do to this day. (ie. spirit = good, ideal, superior material = base, inferior) The Book of Enoch has always been Scripture in Ethiopia. The Jews of Ethiopia claim to be older than the Church there and when there was a mass immigration of Jews into the Church there the Book of Enoch came with them. As far as anyone can tell the Book of ENoch has always been in Ethiopian Bibles.
I know an Iritrean Evangleical Christian who showed me his protestant Bible printed by the UBS which includes Enoch.
In ancient times Enoch is listed as part of the Bible in Armenian Orthodoxy.
Here is an overview I wrote: http://timecapsule.thebookofenoch.info/sample1.pdf
There are a number of books that were read in the first Century apart from those in our Bibles. The book of Enoch is one of them. The only Church today that considers Enoch as being Scripture is the Ethiopian Orthodox Church along with Jubilees, Jasher, 1 Clement and the Shepherd of Hermes plus what we call the Apocrypha
My view is that God can use any writing to get his message across, But just because he uses quotes from a none Biblical source doen't mean that the whole text is inspired. there are hundreds of Christian books in print today that are read by people and influence their lives but that doesn't mean we should include them in our Bibles. A book that started my journey to Christ was written by a none Christian. It was called The Trial of Jesus of Nazareth. I cant remember the authors name now but I am sure that God led me to read it at the time. Whatever we read should be measured against what the the Bible
teaches whether its written by a Christian or not.
My view is that God can use any writing to get his message across, But just because he uses quotes from a none Biblical source doen't mean that the whole text is inspired. there are hundreds of Christian books in print today that are read by people and influence their lives but that doesn't mean we should include them in our Bibles. A book that started my journey to Christ was written by a none Christian. It was called The Trial of Jesus of Nazareth. I cant remember the authors name now but I am sure that God led me to read it at the time. Whatever we read should be measured against what the the Bible
teaches whether its written by a Christian or not.
