Burning Gay Flags?

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Wow Ben and Mitspa get an apology? What about me? I did back you up in another embarrassing thread if you remember...:eek:
Actually, just Ben got an apology. LOL

And, yes, you did back me up, so if I personally insulted you, I apologize. BUT, if I just pointed where I saw something differently than you did..... well, I can't change much of that.
 
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Actually, just Ben got an apology. LOL

And, yes, you did back me up, so if I personally insulted you, I apologize. BUT, if I just pointed where I saw something differently than you did..... well, I can't change much of that.

Ahhhh typical male apology,Im sorry but...:p It takes a lot to insult me.Dont know why,not sure if Im too dumb or what.:confused:
 

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So, then.....summing it up.....You all want to pray for this Church for God to receive His glory from dealing with it right?!! Either, "God can not be mocked...What a man sows so shall he reap." promised. Or "Let your faithfulness to sinners be seen to honor you." promise. But are we actually wondering if Homosexuality is a God approved act? If this is the debate, I lay on my Scripture and move to the "what is your favorite food ever eaten after prayer " thread now.
 

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So I read something about american churches that embrace the 'LGBTQ community.' Those churches show their love of gays, lesbians and the like by displaying rainbows flag on the facades of the church buildings and by using them at gatherings etc. But people keep stealing, 'vandalizing' and even burning those banners:.. understandable, because the flag itself is a provocation for true christians.

Now we shouldn't touch other people's belongings, let alone vandalize or steal them, but sometimes enough is enough. Ofcourse, scripture tells us to submit to governing authorities (Rom 13: 1-7), but isn't some sort of civil disobedience or even further action (in God's name) in order here? Like it says in Acts: We ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5: 29)


Sometimes I think this 'callous' statement of Jesus applies here

Leave them alone. They are blind guides of the blind. If one blind person leads another blind person, both will fall into a ditch."
(Mat 15:14)

How can it not be so?
 
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Do any of you that are defending this nonsense ...really think a gay person is going into these churches and hearing the true gospel or meeting the True Holy One???? Do you really think they will find deliverance or healing by the Power of God, in these phoney churches? Look ,these people need to hear the truth... "the wages of sin is death" God wants to deliver you from sins power through faith in Jesus Christ and the POWER of the Holy Spirit.
How do you suggest we get sinners coming to a church which is not phony? Yes, we should be adressing sin, but we cant be lined up on the outside of our church tellin folks how awfully wrong they are by saying 'repent' in a manner we wouldn't even be adressing a dog with. I might be wrong, but far as I know the good Lord wants folks to voluntarily join His Kingdom, because they want to enter His Kingdom of Grace and glory. Now, we should be adressing sinners face to face, and not like screaming coyotes out on the prairie. This is the point I'm trying to make. I'd rather be silently leading one lost soul to Christ, than noisily misleading a hundred.
 
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There is a difference in telling people "repent or go to hell" or "repent else I am making your life hell".

We are so quick to judge people but Yeshua taught us to teach in love. We should be the difference they see from the rest of the world...
 

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There is a difference in telling people "repent or go to hell" or "repent else I am making your life hell".

We are so quick to judge people but Yeshua taught us to teach in love. We should be the difference they see from the rest of the world...
Repent or else, that type of street preaching irks me. People present it as an ultimatum of two options, but it really isn't like that. They are already condemned, the choice is salvation. I understand that they can choose to stay condemned, but in actuality it isn't an ultimatum of force but mercy. It isn't tyrannical, "Love me, or else." Its coming from a place of not wanting them to be condemned, where as the repent or else signs come from a place of condemnation.

I don't know if I made the distinction clear enough, but one is set as an ultimatum where you have two options, and the ultimatum makes it seem like God is forcing you to love Him (i.e, tyranny). Where as the reality is that they are already condemned and God desires to save them from this condemnation and wants reconciliation. It isn't an ultimatum of tyranny but love.

Its as if a man is hanging off a cliff and you throw him a rope. Can we say there is an ultimatum? Sure. Can we say that the ultimatum is condemning, such as "Repent or else!"? No, we clearly see someone who is helpless and yet salvation has been offered to them in love and kindness. It isn't a matter of "If you don't grab the rope, I am going to kick you off the cliff", but rather, "Please grab the rope!"

2 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
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Ahhhh typical male apology,Im sorry but...:p It takes a lot to insult me.Dont know why,not sure if Im too dumb or what.:confused:
Hey don't blame willie on the rest of us guys :(
 
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How do you suggest we get sinners coming to a church which is not phony? Yes, we should be adressing sin, but we cant be lined up on the outside of our church tellin folks how awfully wrong they are by saying 'repent' in a manner we wouldn't even be adressing a dog with. I might be wrong, but far as I know the good Lord wants folks to voluntarily join His Kingdom, because they want to enter His Kingdom of Grace and glory. Now, we should be adressing sinners face to face, and not like screaming coyotes out on the prairie. This is the point I'm trying to make. I'd rather be silently leading one lost soul to Christ, than noisily misleading a hundred.
Well folks have been reaching sinners for a long time without flying flags that represent that sexual perversion is ok...I have done prison ministry for many years now and have led hundreds to a real personal relationship with Christ...many where convicted by a look in the eyes...some by a hand laid upon them and a kind word...some by the direct fact that hell awaited them. Many if not most of the gay folks ...have no chance at salvation unless at some point they repent of this sin and turn to Christ in a humble way.... all the flag stuff is nonsense and the folks who go along with this sort of stuff are far from the Will of God on this issue.
 
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Repent or else, that type of street preaching irks me. People present it as an ultimatum of two options, but it really isn't like that. They are already condemned, the choice is salvation. I understand that they can choose to stay condemned, but in actuality it isn't an ultimatum of force but mercy. It isn't tyrannical, "Love me, or else." Its coming from a place of not wanting them to be condemned, where as the repent or else signs come from a place of condemnation.

I don't know if I made the distinction clear enough, but one is set as an ultimatum where you have two options, and the ultimatum makes it seem like God is forcing you to love Him (i.e, tyranny). Where as the reality is that they are already condemned and God desires to save them from this condemnation and wants reconciliation. It isn't an ultimatum of tyranny but love.

Its as if a man is hanging off a cliff and you throw him a rope. Can we say there is an ultimatum? Sure. Can we say that the ultimatum is condemning, such as "Repent or else!"? No, we clearly see someone who is helpless and yet salvation has been offered to them in love and kindness. It isn't a matter of "If you don't grab the rope, I am going to kick you off the cliff", but rather, "Please grab the rope!"

2 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Well folks who approve and promote sin in the name of grace irks me .... Nothing does more harm to the message of grace than the folks who do this type stuff.
 
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Repent or else, that type of street preaching irks me.
Yeah, interesting to think what you would have said to Noah, Jonah... and Jesus who said "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand"...

But let us rather teach grace because that is the "new" concept of the church after Jesus died on the cross (or so I am told :) ). Maybe Noah, Jonah and Jesus would agree with the new grace teachings... maybe not.
 
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Well folks who approve and promote sin in the name of grace irks me .... Nothing does more harm to the message of grace than the folks who do this type stuff.
Cheap grace??? :confused:
 

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Well folks who approve and promote sin in the name of grace irks me .... Nothing does more harm to the message of grace than the folks who do this type stuff.
Right, grace isn't licentiousness (license to sin) and neither will you find grace preachers who represent God's grace properly saying that it is. They will tell you that grace sets us free from sins' dominion, on the other hand. They will also tell you that grace teaches us certain things according to Titus.

Titus 2:11-12King James Version (KJV)

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
 
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Right, grace isn't licentiousness (license to sin) and neither will you find grace preachers who represent God's grace properly saying that it is. They will tell you that grace sets us free from sins' dominion, on the other hand. They will also tell you that grace teaches us certain things according to Titus.

Titus 2:11-12King James Version (KJV)

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
No bro, there are many cheap grace pastors out there...
 

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Yeah, interesting to think what you would have said to Noah, Jonah... and Jesus who said "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand"...

But let us rather teach grace because that is the "new" concept of the church after Jesus died on the cross (or so I am told :) ). Maybe Noah, Jonah and Jesus would agree with the new grace teachings... maybe not.
Well, I am not against repentance, which is a changing of the mind. There is nothing wrong with that. I am speaking of people who hold repent or else signs in condemnation of the world not showing the world the love of God. :)
 
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I am speaking of people who hold repent or else signs in condemnation of the world not showing the world the love of God. :)
Well Ben if you don't repent and accept Jesus you will go to hell so you are in a bit of a pickle if that is your attitude :rolleyes:
 

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No bro, there are many cheap grace pastors out there...
I think you missed the word properly, in my sentence. Also, can you tell me how cheap the blood of the Son of God is? I didn't realize that grace was cheap, it cost Jesus His life. I, truly, dislike terms like cheap grace, or even worse, greasy grace. Such descriptions of grace are not fitting for God's grace, and yes, His grace is super abounding (according to scripture).
 
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I think you missed the word properly, in my sentence. Also, can you tell me how cheap the blood of the Son of God is? I didn't realize that grace was cheap, it cost Jesus His life. I, truly, dislike terms like cheap grace, or even worse, greasy grace. Such descriptions of grace are not fitting for God's grace, and yes, His grace is super abounding (according to scripture).
You can make anything "cheap" man... some people talk about grace as if you can pray to Krishna and still be saved...