You quoted an article and I quoted an article. Just because you do not agree with article does not mean you have to attack me personally by saying I do not speak about the Word of God using my own words. Most of the time I quote Scripture and explain it in my own words and by bring forth real world examples. Yes, in this instance I did not do so, but there is no law saying I cannot quote just an article (Which is what you also did). For the fact that you quoted an article disqualifies you in saying that I cannot quote one. That is sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Dear Phil:
I also want to say that the reason why I just quoted the article is because this is an old topic that I have already exhausted before. I spoke on and off approximately for 55 pages on this point in this thread here.
Anyways, I will be praying for you so as not to be so quick and unfair in your Judgment of others.
May God's love shine upon you.
And please be well.
Sincerely,
~ Jason.
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I also want to say that the reason why I just quoted the article is because this is an old topic that I have already exhausted before. I spoke on and off approximately for 55 pages on this point in this thread here.
Anyways, I will be praying for you so as not to be so quick and unfair in your Judgment of others.
May God's love shine upon you.
And please be well.
Sincerely,
~ Jason.
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While some people are seriously misinformed on things, we should not insult them. I believe the King James is divinely inspired but I also use Modern Versions, too (to help udate the language sometimes). But I never once ever believed that the apostles wrote the KJV; And I don't think you will find any well educated KJV-onlyist making such a claim, either. For even if the KJV was not the Word of God, is it not good that someone just believes in the Bible? For even though I disagree with the verses in many Modern Translations, I would not mock a person's faith in a particular version of the Bible (If that is what they believed to be the Word of God). For it is simply not a nice thing to do. Yes, I can point out why I do not believe a certain Modern Version to be the Word of God, but I would not crack jokes about their faith in it being the Word of God, though.
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Really, mate? Where do I begin? I don't know. Read your post again. The first time I read it I laughed out. I'm not saying there aren't links between the OT and NT, there most certainly are. And some foreshadow later events etc. But comparing the garden of Eden and the garden of Gethsemane, it just doesn't work. That's something of your devising.
Here they are, your comparisons:
The story about the Garden of Eden can be seen in the Gethsemane story.
Tree of life represents Jesus, the real tree of life
Adam slept
Jesus found the disciples sleeping
Peter had a sword
Cherubim guarded the tree of life with a flaming sword
Satan entered Judas and he was used
The Serpent was used by Satan in Eden
Adam and Eve were naked
A young man fled Gethsemane naked
Adam and Eve prevented from eating from the tree of life (really?)
Jesus the real tree of life taken by sinners so that we may obtain eternal life
Here they are, your comparisons:
The story about the Garden of Eden can be seen in the Gethsemane story.
Tree of life represents Jesus, the real tree of life
Adam slept
Jesus found the disciples sleeping
Peter had a sword
Cherubim guarded the tree of life with a flaming sword
Satan entered Judas and he was used
The Serpent was used by Satan in Eden
Adam and Eve were naked
A young man fled Gethsemane naked
Adam and Eve prevented from eating from the tree of life (really?)
Jesus the real tree of life taken by sinners so that we may obtain eternal life
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I'm sorry Jason but no where in post #13 does your hob nob false doctorine have anything to do with Jesus saying "It is enough" regarding OT prophecy being fulfilled with His apostles having 2 swords. so Jesus could fulfill "Being numbered with the transgressers".
Please get your personal
agenda of a false gospel teaching to a place where young christians don't get missled .
Please get your personal
agenda of a false gospel teaching to a place where young christians don't get missled .
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Jesus gave us a sword: the sword of the Holy Spirit paid for by His blood.
He doesnt want us to wack off people's ear like Peter did but to cut through the lies and chains of our spiritual enemies who torment our brothers and sisters.
Jesus sent them out with nothing but the clothes on their back but that was when the Bridegroom was with them. However Jesus knew He was to be cruxified soon and they would have to learn how to weild the Sword of the Holy spirit when before they had Him in human flesh.
Why does the op commentary want to remove the word sword from the verse?
Jesus gave us a sword: the sword of the Holy Spirit paid for by His blood.
He doesnt want us to wack off people's ear like Peter did but to cut through the lies and chains of our spiritual enemies who torment our brothers and sisters.
Jesus sent them out with nothing but the clothes on their back but that was when the Bridegroom was with them. However Jesus knew He was to be cruxified soon and they would have to learn how to weild the Sword of the Holy spirit when before they had Him in human flesh.
Why does the op commentary want to remove the word sword from the verse?
we are to be ourselves, 'swords' --
this word translated "instruments" is hopla ( ὅπλα ) -- which means literally an implement of war, either a sword or piece of armor, for example. it is the root word of the famous Greek "hoplite" phalanx. it is the same used in Romans 13:12 ((there, usually translated "armor")), 2 Corinthians 6:7 and 10:4 ((translated there "sword")), and also in John 18:3 translated as "weapons" describing what the men coming to take Jesus in Gethsemane were armed with. it is not the same word as in the 'armor of God' described in Ephesians - those are more specific military terms, and this is a more general one.
Paul is telling us to present ourselves as instruments of warfare to God - not to be weapons in the hands of the enemy. because that is who we are now, the redeemed - belonging no more to sin, but to life through Christ. it's not a 'choice' we make, but a reality we need to understand and strive to act in accordance with. ((we have been brought from death to life -- past tense!!))
so understanding that we are 'swords' for His use, does it shed a little light on why "two is enough" ? if two are gathered in agreement in His name, as witnesses?
deep stuff, IMO.
& before we start 'shooting arrows at random' i like to keep this in mind from the 5th gospel:
Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.
(Romans 6:13)
(Romans 6:13)
this word translated "instruments" is hopla ( ὅπλα ) -- which means literally an implement of war, either a sword or piece of armor, for example. it is the root word of the famous Greek "hoplite" phalanx. it is the same used in Romans 13:12 ((there, usually translated "armor")), 2 Corinthians 6:7 and 10:4 ((translated there "sword")), and also in John 18:3 translated as "weapons" describing what the men coming to take Jesus in Gethsemane were armed with. it is not the same word as in the 'armor of God' described in Ephesians - those are more specific military terms, and this is a more general one.
Paul is telling us to present ourselves as instruments of warfare to God - not to be weapons in the hands of the enemy. because that is who we are now, the redeemed - belonging no more to sin, but to life through Christ. it's not a 'choice' we make, but a reality we need to understand and strive to act in accordance with. ((we have been brought from death to life -- past tense!!))
so understanding that we are 'swords' for His use, does it shed a little light on why "two is enough" ? if two are gathered in agreement in His name, as witnesses?
deep stuff, IMO.
& before we start 'shooting arrows at random' i like to keep this in mind from the 5th gospel:
Does the ax raise itself above the person who swings it, or the saw boast against the one who uses it? As if a rod were to wield the person who lifts it up, or a club brandish the one who is not wood!
(Isaiah 10:15)
not us, but the One who lives in us (Isaiah 10:15)
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