By your actions: What kind of person are you? (Part 1)

[Jason0047]

You never replied to my Eph. 1:3-14 passage.

The problem with all your verses you post repeatedly, is every last one is pulled out of context. As far as walking with God and obeying him, those verses, I agree totally! What I do not agree with is that if we slip up sometime, we lose our salvation.

So what do you do with Christians who get dementia and Alzheimer's? I have seen them curse, lie, steal, and not even know they are doing it. Do those people, some missionaries and pastors, who have their brain rotting lose their salvation because they have sinned? Are they cast out despite faithfully serving God their whole life, because of horrid disease?

When people start losing their salvation for their actions, it opens up a whole can of worms, doesn't it? Instead, I think believing that God saves us, and we repent, and we are saved forever, really seals the deal no matter what illnesses we get, or what medications we are on that affect us badly, or if we are hurting or sad because of life circumstances.

I know of a medication for Parkinson's Disease called Miraplex, and it causes bipolar like symptoms in normal people. I have seen shows about how it caused a Christian man to become addicted to porn, a woman to become addicted to gambling, and she lost her family. When they discontinued the drug, they stopped doing the bad things, which were sin. Do you think God cast them out because of the side effects of a drug? Then resaved the man when he got off the drug?? I also knew personally a woman this happened to on this drug. She wasn't saved, anyway. But if she had been was she responsible for her actions while on a drug that abducted her upper brain stem??

It really is ludicrous to think that God would save someone, then unsave them, then saved them when they sharpen up, then unsave them if they sin, then save them AGAIN if they repent, then unsave them.......etc ad infinitum et absurdium!!

I will also let God decide who did not follow him, in their hearts, but were just playing at being Christians.

I will finish with another passage, and I hope you will see that God is not going to cast out anyone. That NOTHING can separate us from the love of God, even ourselves.

"What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? [SUP]32 [/SUP]He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? [SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? [SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written,“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

[SUP]37 [/SUP]No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, [SUP]39 [/SUP]nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:31-39

When you read Romans 8:31-39, there is one thing you will not find on that list. Yourself. Nowhere does it ever say that you cannot remove or separate yoursellf from Christ. It is only speaking of external things. It is not talking about a believer's internal decision to remain in Christ or not.

As for Ephesians 1:3-14: Well, that is quite a lengthy passage. But I think your driving home point is being "sealed by the Spirit" right? That this seal cannot be broken according to you. However, the Bible says that it can be broken, though.

In Romans 4:11 it says, "...he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith..."

So okay. Circumcision is a SEAL.

Now, in Romans 2:25 we learn that if one breaks the law, they circumcision (i.e. SEAL) is made uncricumcision.

"....but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision...." (Romans 2:25).

For Ephesians 4:17-27 makes it absolutey 100% clear that we USED to be sinners as a way of life, but we are not that way anymore.

But a believer can fall away from the faith.

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

• Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)

• Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)

• The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)

• Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)

• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)

• Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14, 15)

• Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8, 9, 10)

• Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11)

• Balaam (Numbers chapters 22, 23, 24) (Numbers 31:8) (Joshua 13:22) (Jude 1:11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

• The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45, 46)

• Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)

• The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14, 15)

• Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)

• Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)

• Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5, 6)

• Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)

• Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)

• Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7, 8)

• The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
  (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21). The teaching of Once Saved Always Saved leads people to think they can sin on some level and still be saved. It doesn't matter if you try to promote holiness. For the moment you can say they are saved while sinning, that is exactly what they are going to do (Because man's nature if not changed by the Spirit will always set out to do what is wrong rather than what is right).

As for Christians who get dementia and Alzheimer's and do evil: Well, if they are unaware of any right and wrong anymore and they are truly sociopathic, what was their life before such a disease? Was their life characterized by holiness? Chances are they received this disease as a form of a Judgment for not repenting of their wicked ways. But if they have repented of their sin before the disease took hold them, then I sincerily doubt they would be doing a lot of bad evil without them knowing about it. The fruit of God's people is good and not evil. Yes, I believe babies and the mentally handicapped (Who are not aware of right and wrong) are saved; But these are not those who are claiming to believe in Jesus openly and who are living out any kind of faith, though.