Call on the Name of the Lord be Saved?

notuptome · Mar 18, 2014

A correct biblical understanding of what is being said would be helpful. No one can call upon the Lord except he be first drawn to the Lord. Salvation is not by the will of man but by the will of God.

How is one drawn to Christ? When a man hears the word of God the Holy Spirit brings conviction in his heart that he is a sinner. The Holy Spirit brings conviction that mans sin justly condemns him to eternal condemnation. The Holy Spirit then brings conviction that only Christ satisfied all the demands of the law before the Father. Only then can a man see and understand his hopeless estate and turn to God asking for forgiveness confessing that it is not by merit but by grace that he must be saved.

You may be correct that too many today profess but do not possess. This is likely the result of preaching that is all about love which God has for His creation but skips the demands of Gods holiness for judgment on sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

svedbygrace · Mar 18, 2014

Its not easy at all, because an unsaved person cannot do it ! Before one can call upon His Name, they must first be quickened Ps 80:18

18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.

Until then, we are dead in sin Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

SeaBass · Mar 18, 2014

svedbygrace said:

Rom 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Paul did NOT say "for with the heart man believeth BECAUSE he already is righteous and with the mouth confession is made BECAUSE he already has salvation.

"Unto" carries the idea of looking ahead, in order to obtain.....one believes and confesses in order to obtain salvation

p_rehbein · Mar 18, 2014

QUOTE FROM SEABASS:

Acts 2:21------------calls upon the name of the Lord>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saved
Acts 2:38-----------repent and be baptized>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>remission of sins

"Saved" and "remission of sins" are equivalent. And since there is just one way to be saved then calling upon the name of the Lord is equivalent to repent and be baptized. Acts 22:16 when Saul (Paul) was baptized he was calling upon the name of the Lord.

In Rom 10:9,10 Paul says believing saves and confession saves.

Rom 10:9,10-------------believe and repent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Rom 10:13----------------call upon the name of the Lord>>>>>>saves

So calling upon the name of the Lord includes believng and confessing.

END QUOTE................

Not quite true............when Paul REPENTED he was calling upon the name of the Lord.......being baptized (water baptized) was acting IN OBEDIENCE to the commandment of Jesus.... Sins are remitted because of repentance, not because of water baptism.......Your own comments show this to be true......just saying.

followjja · Mar 18, 2014

svedbygrace said:

Anybody can call on a name, that is common sense. A 3 year old kid could learn to do this.

p_rehbein · Mar 18, 2014

followjja said:

A three year old kid would FIRST have to understand, and, apparently, IF they do come to understanding, they need to share that understanding with you.............

(just saying)

notuptome · Mar 18, 2014

How shall they call upon Him of whom they have not heard?

Who Christ is and what He has done is essential knowledge before one can call upon the Lord for salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2014

p_rehbein said:

Exactly......and my first thought was also that a three year old would have to understand certain biblical truths and principles so as to be able to call on the name of the Lord in a biblical manner!

followjja · Mar 18, 2014

p_rehbein,

Paul never said REPENT in Rom 10:9-10

Where did he say that he repented for persecuting the followers of Jesus? If he did please tell me.

followjja · Mar 18, 2014

dcontroversal said:

Don't you think that people can MEMORIZE some words, and not know what they mean? Get real.

p_rehbein · Mar 18, 2014

followjja said:

No wonder you don't understand the statement "call upon the name of the Lord............." You can't even discern who made what comment here on this thread.......

I SIMPLY QUOTED another's comment concerning Romans 10....(see comment #20, this thread)..........SO, if you disagree with their statement mayhaps you should address your disagreement to them?

p_rehbein · Mar 18, 2014

followjja said:

I think, no, actually, I am FULLY CONVINCED you have no concept of Salvation............my only question is:

What is your purpose/intent here on CC?

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2014

followjja said:

Maybe you should slow dowwwwnnnn and read what I said......as a three year old cannot comprehend what it means to be a sinner, lost before God, what Jesus did and why and what response is required....How about YOU GET REAL and Pay ATTENTION!

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2014

p_rehbein said:

I agree...to partially read a post and then make a statement without the facts or context of what is said seems to fit his bill!

John_agape · Mar 18, 2014

This thread is getting a bit confusing. A 3 year old can call on the Lord with words he or she does not understand, but that is meaningless sounds to that child. An adult who understands the words, but has his or her mouth covered can call on the Lord with words he or she understands in their heart and mind, without a sound being uttered.

There was a young girl in South Africa, I think she was 6 or 7, who could recite the whole Koran perfectly in Arabic. She did not understand a word as she knew no Arabic. It did not further her Koranic knowledge much.

mystdancer50 · Mar 18, 2014

followjja said:

I refer you back to post number 16 in this thread. It is the meaning of the words in this verse that you are failing to consider. One must look at the word in the original Greek and Hebrew (OT) and read the Scripture in context with the understanding of said words before one attempts to interpret or claim comprehension.

I show the Greek meanings of the word "upon" and "name" and once you understand the original Greek purpose/context, you can better understand that this verse is not simple at all. It does not mean that one merely says the name Jesus and is saved, there is much more to it than that, as I explain in post #16.

p_rehbein · Mar 18, 2014

I am moving your comment up to here Sister...........but, don't expect this person to understand or accept........just saying.

QUOTE FROM MYSTIC.......

Re: Call on the Name of the Lord be Saved?

To call 'upon' doesn't mean to merely speak His name...it literally means "to permit one's self to be surnamed" (Epikaleomai in the original Greek), as in taking on the name of Christ upon yourself, becoming like Him, which is the calling of everyone who professes themselves to be Christians...to be holy as Christ is holy, to take on His name and live a life worthy of that name. To call on or invoke the name of the Lord means that we submit to His authority and ability to provide cleansing. We submit by humbly doing what He has told us to do. It is not simply speaking a name.

Furthermore, as we all know, there is power in the name of Jesus, so when one takes on His name, it means "the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc." (Onoma in the original Greek). So, as you can see, there is so much more inferred in this verse than looking at it merely as speaking Jesus' name, going about your business, and expecting salvation.

Word study is so important when looking at Scripture, as our versions have been translated from Hebrew and Greek and sometimes the word used to express the original word fails to hit the mark and fully get the point across. That is not to say that it is incorrect. Rather, there is such depth in God's word that one must never assume or look at it at a surface level. We are called, as believers, to plumb the depths of His word for the treasures that lie there.

p_rehbein · Mar 18, 2014

John_agape said:

This thread is getting a bit confusing. A 3 year old can call on the Lord with words he or she does not understand, but that is meaningless sounds to that child. An adult who understands the words, but has his or her mouth covered can call on the Lord with words he or she understands in their heart and mind, without a sound being uttered.

There was a young girl in South Africa, I think she was 6 or 7, who could recite the whole Koran perfectly in Arabic. She did not understand a word as she knew no Arabic. It did not further her Koranic knowledge much.

........and I fully expect that the reason the Author of this thread is promoting is "CONFUSION."............just saying

lioncub · Mar 18, 2014

Does Romans 10 mention water baptism ? Yet Jesus says " He that believes and is baptised shall be saved..."
Does Romans 10 mention receiving the Holy Spirit ? Yet Paul says, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His".

Therefore, it is an error to justify one's salvation solely on Romans 10.

followjja · Mar 18, 2014

p_rehbein said:

OK, I should have addressed the other person. But seem unable to answer if Paul repented. LOL

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