Calvin did not invent the doctrines of grace

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rogerg

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Conversion comes with forgiveness of sins.
This verse explains it too. In other words, the only way that someone can attain a true knowledge of salvation, is for their sin to be first forgiven.

[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
 

brightfame52

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This verse explains it too. In other words, the only way that someone can attain a true knowledge of salvation, is for their sin to be first forgiven.

[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Yes, knowledge there is I believe the same as Faith. They had forgiveness of sins before they had knowledge or faith of it. Also notice forgiveness of sins here is Salvation !
 
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The warnings God gives (some of which I have previously pointed out to you) are written to born again believers to alert the believer to be careful because we can be led astray, which does not mean we are no longer born again. It just means we may not be living fully in light of who we are in the Lord Jesus Christ.
This statement, in my understanding of the scriptures, is true.
Glad to see we are united on this point FGC.
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:rolleyes: ... Acts 13:23 does not respond to the fact that the Greek word didōmi in Acts 5:31 denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given).

Acts 5:

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give [Greek didōmi] repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given [Greek didōmi]to them that obey him.

vs 31 God was ready to give repentance to those who slew and hanged on a tree the Lord Jesus Christ.

vs 32 – the same Greek word [didōmi] is used in this verse whom God hath given to them that obey him ... and what were they asked to do? ... receive the repentance given by God.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus

That this is the Gospel look at Vs 32-33
Conflating the record in Acts 5 with the record in Acts 13 does not negate the fact that the word didōmi in Acts 5:31 denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given.

And, in fact, if you continue reading the context in Acts 13 (the record you provided), we find this little nugget:

Acts 13:

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him [the Lord Jesus Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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got it ... you have no authority. You just take it upon yourself to change the active to the passive in order to prop up your dogma. It matters not to you what is actually written in Scripture.

2 Corinthians 3:

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it [the heart of the reader] shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

In 2 Cor 3:16, the words shall turn are translated from the Greek word epistrephó which means to turn. The verb is active, which means the person turns. If the verb was passive, that would mean the person was turned.

The veil being removed ... taken away is passive, which means that the person does not remove the veil. The veil is removed from him or her.

The person does the turning, the Lord removes the veil.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
here is the authority Acts 3:26
:rolleyes: … deliberately obtuse.

Acts 3:26 does not provide you with the authority to change an active verb to a passive verb.

We all can see you have no authority because if you did, you would provide it.

Your claim is wholly without merit and instead of coming to a proper understanding of what is written in Scripture, you manipulate and change Scripture to conform to your dogma (at which point you no longer have God's Word).

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

And maybe ... just maybe ... the Lord will reveal to you how it is that a reader can turn (active verb) his or her heart to the Lord and the Lord will remove (passive verb) the veil. But, until He removes the veil from your heart, you will continue to change active verbs to passive in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.


1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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brightfame52

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Conflating the record in Acts 5 with the record in Acts 13 does not negate the fact that the word didōmi in Acts 5:31 denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given.

And, in fact, if you continue reading the context in Acts 13 (the record you provided), we find this little nugget:

Acts 13:

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him [the Lord Jesus Christ] all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Limited Atonement is the Gospel the Apostles Preached and Jesus Preached. According to Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, whi was Jesus according to promise, raised a Saviour unto Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
 

brightfame52

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:rolleyes: … deliberately obtuse.

Acts 3:26 does not provide you with the authority to change an active verb to a passive verb.

We all can see you have no authority because if you did, you would provide it.

Your claim is wholly without merit and instead of coming to a proper understanding of what is written in Scripture, you manipulate and change Scripture to conform to your dogma (at which point you no longer have God's Word).

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

And maybe ... just maybe ... the Lord will reveal to you how it is that a reader can turn (active verb) his or her heart to the Lord and the Lord will remove (passive verb) the veil. But, until He removes the veil from your heart, you will continue to change active verbs to passive in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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Jesus turns those He died for from their iniquities Acts 3:25-26

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Thats Gospel News !
 

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Show me a quote in context from his writings that he did what you're saying.
The only person I have any interest in quoting is Jesus. If you are not aware of the false teachings of Calvin, then you will have to learn on your own time, not mine.
 

brightfame52

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The only person I have any interest in quoting is Jesus. If you are not aware of the false teachings of Calvin, then you will have to learn on your own time, not mine.
Calvin quotes Jesus and you don't seem to be interested
 

oyster67

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Calvin quotes Jesus and you don't seem to be interested
Most all false teachers do twist the words of Jesus and take them out of context. Pretty sure you know all about that.

Your assertion that I am not interested is very correct.
 

brightfame52

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Most all false teachers do twist the words of Jesus and take them out of context. Pretty sure you know all about that.

Your assertion that I am not interested is very correct.
Im saying calvin takes you to the scripture, so its the scripture you have the beef with, you excuse it as to say you disagree with a false teacher.
 

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“Come unto me, ALL YE that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Yep, it still says all ye, not some of ye, a few of ye or all ye who were elected, selected, rejected, dissected ya da ya da ya da…
 

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“Come unto me, ALL YE that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Yep, it still says all ye, not some of ye, a few of ye or all ye who were elected, selected, rejected, dissected ya da ya da ya da…

Matthew 11:28-30
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rogerg

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“Come unto me, ALL YE that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Yep, it still says all ye, not some of ye, a few of ye or all ye who were elected, selected, rejected, dissected ya da ya da ya da…
That's the " labour and are heavy laden" part - meaning labouring and heavily laden by their works for salvation - which applies to any work whatsoever for salvation. Only those who have been born again realize that they are heavily ladened and seek to trust, and rest, in Christ as their Saviour. He has accomplished all work necessary for salvation on their behalf so nothing from them is needed nor possible. But not everyone can have that trust in Christ. Even those who believe that they must only produce their own faith in order to be saved are in that category.
 

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“Come unto me, ALL YE that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Yep, it still says all ye, not some of ye, a few of ye or all ye who were elected, selected, rejected, dissected ya da ya da ya da…
Its still limited to a specific people, not all without exception, but all who are burdened and heavy laden with their sin.

See for instance, the pharisee of Lk 18 would be excluded, but the publican would fit the bill. So Jesus there is calling for the regenerated Sheep of His, not all mankind dead in sin.
 

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Burdened by the law... and their inability to keep it. Jesus, however, did.


Praise the Lord

Praise the Lord
 

brightfame52

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Just because you have made Calvin into an idol does not mean that others do not believe Scripture. That is foolish talk.
Just because you have made Calvin into an idol does not mean that others do not believe Scripture. That is foolish talk.
I believe scripture and you reject it in the name of Calvin!