Since none of the believers who have posted in this thread "attribute their salvation to what they have done or what they will do, instead of God", perhaps you were speaking of folks from other sites who do as you claim in your
Post 749???
Your interpretation of 2 Col 3:16 is exactly that, as you make turning the requirement of the person to do, instead of God.
Do you not even realize the implications of what you're posting?
Do you know that Scripture tells us whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Rom 14:23) and that if we knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin (James 4:17)???
It is Christ's faith. The "good" is to trust in Christ alone as Saviour, not in ourselves, otherwise, we sin.
you added the words "because of ourselves or because of anything that we have done or might do". Just read the verse as written ... God excluded the words you want to include and, as the Author of Scripture, if He had wanted to include them, He would have.
Yeah, well, you were supposed to compare the spiritual with the spiritual, which you don't do, and which is your core problem. I did include several verses that confirm what I said. Here is one again.
[1Jo 3:9 KJV] 9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
God's desire for us is that we not sin, but because He knoweth our frame, He remembereth we are dust, in His grace and lovingkindness, He makes provision for us if and when we do sin.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
If, as according to you "the Bible tells us that we do not sin", there would be no need for God to include 1 John 1:9 in Scripture (or 1 John 2:1 ... or many other verses He included).
Those are the Bible's words. If someone has been born-again, in terms of salvation, they do not sin.
To sin is to not have true faith in alone Christ as Saviour which is remedied if/when saved by God - when He places
His Chosen under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus - His work, not ours.
Christ is the advocate for all of the elect with the Father. Until becoming saved/born-again, they remain under
the law of sin and death yet He is still their advocate because they will eventually become saved.
Notice the condition if we walk in the light
Not all of the elect are saved at the same time, nevertheless, eventually, they will become saved. The "if" pertains to those of the elect
who have not yet been but will be.
Is this your proof text that you do not sin, rogerg? ... that you have never, ever sinned since the moment you were born again ???
In terms of salvation, yes, those born-again do not sin because to sin is not to be covered under/by Christ. and that pertains to all the saved/born again. And, it is not of themselves, it is the work of God. So, you either don't understand or recognize that verse as being God's, and have chosen to override His authority with your own.
Are you claiming that you never, ever walk after the flesh, rogerg? ... that you have walked and continue to walk after the Spirit 24/7/365 from the moment you were born again to this day???
To walk after the flesh, is to trust in the works of the flesh (our own works), for salvation. And no, after becoming born
again, neither I, nor anyone who has been born-again, so trust.
not true, rogerg. the born again one may stumble in this life and he or she may sin. Until we see the Lord Jesus Christ face-to-face and we are like Him, we can be drawn away through the lusts of our flesh ... just as explained in James 1.
To sin is to not be under Christ but under works. Those saved/born again will not/cannot be moved from Christ because it is God who has made Himself the guarantor of such. It is not by man.
[1Pe 1:5 KJV] 5 W
ho are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[Phl 1:6 KJV] 6 Being confident of this very thing,
that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:
God is absolutely faithful and He does work within each born again one. However, is the born again one always faithful to follow Him at all times (24/7/365) since he or she was born again?
To ask that question means that either you didn't read or don't understand that verse (or both I guess). As I said above, God has made Himself the guarantor. It is NOT up to man.
Again, rogerg, I am not speaking of salvation. I am speaking of the fellowship the child of God has with the Father ... the moment by moment, day by day close relationship which can and does become strained when the child of God stumbles and sins.
If you are saying that you are not speaking about salvation, then that must mean you agree with me. So, if you are not speaking
of salvation, then we have nothing left to discuss, because everything else is a byproduct of, and results from, being saved/born again.
Does that mean those saved live perfect lives? No. But neither does it affect their salvation. If someone is not saved, then the rest pales into insignificance.
Myself? I am not perfect (yet) and I have sinned since becoming born again. The moment I realize I have strayed and turn back to the Lord Jesus Christ, He is there welcoming me back into the fold. He is so, so good.
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Maybe in terms of salvation you don't understand what sinning is. If sinning is of man's actions, and to sin
denies someone salvation, then our salvation is dependent upon us and not Christ. Can you possibly believe that is correct?