Calvinism and Context?

[EleventhHour]

God is Love

1 John 4:7-10

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.


He is also a God of justice and judgement. He has no respect of persons. Those who believe and accept the free gift of Jesus' atonement are justified by faith. Those who do not accept are condemned. This is his justice and judgement.

Apparently this is too simple ... we have to first splice and dice the words.. especially the word .. love.

 

[jackrosie]

No, not saying that at all.

As for your statements about how confusing you find me, I speak of Spiritual things. Unless you've been taught of the Father you will not grasp them. As you repeat but do not seem to understand, fleshly minds cannot discern the things of the Spirit.

Doctrine, theologies, all these constructs are accessible to man's logic and reasoning. Yet the true things of God's person and character is only discerned in the Spirit.

Your words to me about yourself.....”I”speak of Spiritual things”...Wrong Answer.

It should read ......The Holy Spirit speaks through me..as he does me.

Again all about “YOU” and your knowledge and glory to you...”SELF”..Flesh mind.

Your post was full of confusion and I wasn’t the only one that noticed.

God gets all the Glory....not you.
You should be honoured that he saved you....

 

[jackrosie]

No, not saying that at all.

As for your statements about how confusing you find me, I speak of Spiritual things. Unless you've been taught of the Father you will not grasp them. As you repeat but do not seem to understand, fleshly minds cannot discern the things of the Spirit.

Doctrine, theologies, all these constructs are accessible to man's logic and reasoning. Yet the true things of God's person and character is only discerned in the Spirit.

Another thing...the Lord speaks through you so much.....that most of my questions to you and from cv, go unanswered.hmmmmm.....with a big H.

 

[jackrosie]

My discretion in answering you is not for lack of answers, but because what you have displayed through this thread.

You completely missed the work of God because you were caught up in defending your precious doctrine. You even hindered it in places. Rather than forwarding the cause of the gospel your pride blinded you.

What a cop out...no surprise there.

 

[jackrosie]

You want to make it about the recipient ... it isn't .. it is about the Giver.

Perhaps read 1 Cor 13

I have read 1 Corinthians 13.....now please explain it to me and what it’s saying?

You want to make it about the recipient....it isn’t.......it is about the giver....,please explain?

 

[jackrosie]

Let's take the mention of Adam to its logical conclusion, and see why God offers the gift of eternal life freely to all mankind through Christ.

1. God breathed into Adam the breath of life. A lump of clay became a living, breathing, human being, made in the image and likeness of God.

2. Not only that but God made him "a little lower than the angels" and gave him the almost supernatural ability to name all the animals that God had created.

3. He also gave him a very special garden -- the Garden of Eden -- which had absolutely everything that man's heart could desire. It was literally Paradise.

4. On top of that God gave a Adam a beautiful wife, created out of Adam's rib. God even officiated at their marriage. Adam lacked for absolutely nothing.

5. And finally God placed the Tree of Life in the middle of that Garden. Which meant that God planned to give all mankind eternal life.

6. But God gave Adam and Eve only one commandment -- which was not grievous in the least -- that they were forbidden to eat of the forbidden fruit. That would be a test of their love to and obedience for God. And they BOTH failed. They loved themselves more than they loved God.

7. Because of Adam's disobedience, sin and death (including the Second Death) came upon all mankind, and Adam brought a curse upon all of God's creation.

8. However, God had already anticipated this disaster, and therefore appointed Christ to be the Lamb of God who would TAKE AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD by the sacrifice of Himself. This was decreed even before the world was created.

9. Now God offers the gift of eternal life freely to "whosoever will" take of the water of life.

And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev 22:17)

Which again leads to the conclusion that election for salvation is a perversion of the Gospel -- it is "another gospel", hence accursed (Galatians 1).

Mathew 24:24

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive,even the elect.

For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive,if possible,even God’s chosen ones.


I was chosen by God....I did not choose God,I had no choice.....He chose and drew me to Jesus.....never to be denied....the word of God is........LIVING AND ACTIVE!

 

[jackrosie]

1 John 2:27

But the anointing that you recieved from him abides in you,and you have no need that anyone should teach you.
But as his anointing teaches you about everything,and is true,and is no lie-just as it has taught you,abide in him.

 

[throughfaith]

Yeah, he was responding to an ongoing discussion. At first he said the elect believe, which I pressed him by stating that there is something that man must do in his salvation(believing).

This is the critical point with monergism, it must deny man even believes the gospel and attribute the believing to God and God alone. Yet it must also affirm that men cannot be saved without believing. So the only real conclusion is that no one can be saved because only God is capable of believing.

Syllogism. The Calvinists hermanutic. " Mary is Jesus,s mother . Jesus is God . Therefore Mary is the mother of God . "
This is the error of viewing the bible this way . Calvinism is built on deductive method. Which is why scripture is not their authority but ' philosophy ' . The bible says God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)

 

[EleventhHour]

I have read 1 Corinthians 13.....now please explain it to me and what it’s saying?

You want to make it about the recipient....it isn’t.......it is about the giver....,please explain?

Now why would you ask me .... since I do not understand scripture?

 

[Just_Jo]

Dear @jackrosie ,
_______I'm assuming jack is your flag of country and your christian name maybe Rosalyn.
______ Forgive me for assumptions,however my heart feels much compassion for you by reading your posts.
I can tell your life has had many difficult issues that have shaped you.
_______I think you are very zealous for what you are believing in and that is good BUT only the Spirit can teach us and take us where God wants us to be
______I hate that Jesus' love is rarely shone on this forum !
_______I pray that the Spirit will establish you in the WAY of the word and His TRUTH truly set you free.
_____Please don't be as others,you have no need to respond to antagonism nor cruelty. You are a better person than that!
_____Find threads of love,they are here also. Where people allow you to breath and share.
_____ You and @Rosemaryx have deeply touched me in what you both share here. Our struggles are real for we war against one that wants to make us God's enemy.
You both have been BRAVE to share honesty and transparency with how you struggle. I am praying for this site to be filled with compassion.Many people are just reading,not joining nor responding and we must be real and show His love through us!

_____ I mean no offence to either of you nor anyone.

There are compassionate hearts here,@1ofthem ,@SoulWeaver ,@seoulsearch @Magenta ,many who have struggles that bear love.
There are ladies forums,singles forum ect where the heat or as you see same letters hate are kept under the blood .


Much love!

 

[throughfaith]

Dear @jackrosie ,
_______I'm assuming jack is your flag of country and your christian name maybe Rosalyn.
______ Forgive me for assumptions,however my heart feels much compassion for you by reading your posts.
I can tell your life has had many difficult issues that have shaped you.
_______I think you are very zealous for what you are believing in and that is good BUT only the Spirit can teach us and take us where God wants us to be
______I hate that Jesus' love is rarely shone on this forum !
_______I pray that the Spirit will establish you in the WAY of the word and His TRUTH truly set you free.
_____Please don't be as others,you have no need to respond to antagonism nor cruelty. You are a better person than that!
_____Find threads of love,they are here also. Where people allow you to breath and share.
_____ You and @Rosemaryx have deeply touched me in what you both share here. Our struggles are real for we war against one that wants to make us God's enemy.
You both have been BRAVE to share honesty and transparency with how you struggle. I am praying for this site to be filled with compassion.Many people are just reading,not joining nor responding and we must be real and show His love through us!

_____ I mean no offence to either of you nor anyone.

There are compassionate hearts here,@1ofthem ,@SoulWeaver ,@seoulsearch @Magenta ,many who have struggles that bear love.
There are ladies forums,singles forum ect where the heat or as you see same letters hate are kept under the blood .


Much love!

Hey likewise . I do hope I haven't offended . I've been careful to say ( hopefully) That in spite of things I've said that I consider those that hold to Calvinism that they are my brothers and sisters . I've also stated that I come across terribly on here , so I do apologise if I have offended anyone . Thats not my heart or intention.

 

[Just_Jo]

Hey likewise . I do hope I haven't offended . I've been careful to say ( hopefully) That in spite of things I've said that I consider those that hold to Calvinism that they are my brothers and sisters . I've also stated that I come across terribly on here , so I do apologise if I have offended anyone . Thats not my heart or intention.

It is hard to communicate in writing only w/o the benefit of knowing someone personally,I agree.
We are seasoned with salt,what does salt do? It makes a person thirsty and want to drink water. Let's give them the living waters to drink.
Knowledge is an accumulation of information,WISDOM is the discernment of when and what info to supply to a person.
There will be many with different ideologies in heaven! The FACT is we must be blood bought and share always in love.
Each can be that tender plant that's struggling for SON LIGHT and nutrients from above.
My daughter or relative may read here,pray they find love ONLY.

I'm not addressing against anyone and I admire and find commonality among many here.
We are His children and the sheep of His pasture,there is plenty of room to graze.

 

[jackrosie]

Dear @jackrosie ,
_______I'm assuming jack is your flag of country and your christian name maybe Rosalyn.
______ Forgive me for assumptions,however my heart feels much compassion for you by reading your posts.
I can tell your life has had many difficult issues that have shaped you.
_______I think you are very zealous for what you are believing in and that is good BUT only the Spirit can teach us and take us where God wants us to be
______I hate that Jesus' love is rarely shone on this forum !
_______I pray that the Spirit will establish you in the WAY of the word and His TRUTH truly set you free.
_____Please don't be as others,you have no need to respond to antagonism nor cruelty. You are a better person than that!
_____Find threads of love,they are here also. Where people allow you to breath and share.
_____ You and @Rosemaryx have deeply touched me in what you both share here. Our struggles are real for we war against one that wants to make us God's enemy.
You both have been BRAVE to share honesty and transparency with how you struggle. I am praying for this site to be filled with compassion.Many people are just reading,not joining nor responding and we must be real and show His love through us!

_____ I mean no offence to either of you nor anyone.

There are compassionate hearts here,@1ofthem ,@SoulWeaver ,@seoulsearch @Magenta ,many who have struggles that bear love.
There are ladies forums,singles forum ect where the heat or as you see same letters hate are kept under the blood .


Much love!

Joe...I used to be led by my emotions.like you.
I am now led by God......if my words upset you,then I’m sorry,but I have to listen to the Holy Spirit.

If I don’t as I haven’t in the past,not listened to what God was saying,I will pay for it and I did.....sometimes Joe,one doesn’t know they are being led by their emotions , not until God reveals it to them.

My faith has never ever faltered in God..reason being it came from Him.

I don’t see this site as you do,.....I see a lot of love on this site....I also see a lot of pain,confusion,....that is why a lot of us react the way we do.

We’re all damaged goods......but Praise God....he has taken us under his wing.....where his healing will take time....and our completion will be when we join him in His Kingdom...where we will meet him in his full Glory.....how exciting is that.

We must be led by the Holy Spirit not our emotions.

 

[jackrosie]

By the way Joe......you would have done better sending your heartfelt emotions to a well known guy on here,he needs it more than me.
The one that spits venom.

 

[Just_Jo]

Joe...I used to be led by my emotions.like you.
I am now led by God......if my words upset you,then I’m sorry,but I have to listen to the Holy Spirit.

If I don’t as I haven’t in the past,not listened to what God was saying,I will pay for it and I did.....sometimes Joe,one doesn’t know they are being led by their emotions , not until God reveals it to them.

My faith has never ever faltered in God..reason being it came from Him.

I don’t see this site as you do,.....I see a lot of love on this site....I also see a lot of pain,confusion,....that is why a lot of us react the way we do.

We’re all damaged goods......but Praise God....he has taken us under his wing.....where his healing will take time....and our completion will be when we join him in His Kingdom...where we will meet him in his full Glory.....how exciting is that.

We must be led by the Holy Spirit not our emotions.

I'm not offended in you. ( It's Jo btw)
Nor am I led by emotions but no longer have a stony heart of flesh.

If we cannot show the attributes of Christ then we cannot lead.
Disciples of a master imitate that master.

I understand your shell better than you think ,my life has been hard as well.
We must look beyond what is written to what is being said from the heart!

I will leave you to it then by God's grace.

 

[jackrosie]

I'm not offended in you. ( It's Jo btw)
Nor am I led by emotions but no longer have a stony heart of flesh.

If we cannot show the attributes of Christ then we cannot lead.
Disciples of a master imitate that master.

I understand your shell better than you think ,my life has been hard as well.
We must look beyond what is written to what is being said from the heart!

I will leave you to it then by God's grace.

You would have done better addressing your post to everyone on this thread..

Not singling me out as you did.....you are also in fear of a few on this thread,but we won’t go there...

Only Christ can help us grow a pair...if you get my drift.our strength comes from the Lord not ourselves.

 

[Just_Jo]

By the way Joe......you would have done better sending your heartfelt emotions to a well known guy on here,he needs it more than me.
The one that spits venom.

I'm sorry for the rebuff.
My intent wasn't to offend nor point out.
I'm also not talking about venom!

I'm addressing our hearts of a matter.

Again I'm sorry and will not trouble you again with what the Lord puts on my heart.

I would advise to lay aside hardness of your heart and engage in peace and love.

However you are only responsible for you.
May we not be a stumbling block to others!

 

[jackrosie]

You would have done better addressing your post to everyone on this thread..

Not singling me out as you did.....you are also in fear of a few on this thread,but we won’t go there...

I'm sorry for the rebuff.
My intent wasn't to offend nor point out.
I'm also not talking about venom!

I'm addressing our hearts of a matter.

Again I'm sorry and will not trouble you again with what the Lord puts on my heart.

I would advise to lay aside hardness of your heart and engage in peace and love.

However you are only responsible for you.
May we not be a stumbling block to others!

I would advise you to stop judging my heart and look at your own.....and stop stirring the pot.

Your walk is your walk.

My walk is my walk and none of your business.

Stop trying to be God...because you aren’t,you silly woman.

 

[Just_Jo]

You would have done better addressing your post to everyone on this thread..

Not singling me out as you did.....you are also in fear of a few on this thread,but we won’t go there...

Only Christ can help us grow a pair...if you get my drift.our strength comes from the Lord not ourselves.

May mercy flow.
I addressed you,not singled you out. I cannot pm.
My heart has compassion for you but I will take it to the Lord.

I will forgive you for thinking I am weak and need a .... .
Ok then,you are looking for a fistacuff and I came in love.

No judgement on anyone,I don't have that power. My heart is what I'm addressing.
I am NOT a silly woman but a woman if God. I forgive this also.


May we meet on the other side in peace and love...... I'm done!

 

[jackrosie]

May mercy flow.
I addressed you,not singled you out. I cannot pm.
My heart has compassion for you but I will take it to the Lord.

I will forgive you for thinking I am weak and need a .... .

For heaven sake...this post is full of emotion,it’s false...leave me alone....

You singled me out...I ask once again..please leave me alone,I don’t want to engage with you..unless it’s to do with God.
I’m not here to listen to your emotional pleas.