Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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To be fair, some of them believe God in a sense drove them to the voting booth, and there they cast their vote. In fact, every single person who has ever lived has voted there, have gotten their "I Voted Today" sticker and have gone on their merry way.
Yes, they have reduced the Gospel down to this utter nonsense, even to the point of teaching they chose God out their will a complete denial of John 1:13, and at the same time God saw they would choose Him so he reacted to their work, and saw they merited Him giving them eternal life.
Some teach God saw them vote for Him, and then based on that gave them eternal life, because God saw in time they would in fact do this.
But then they teach at the very same instance "Well, I coulda not chose Him too."
Ummm. Hmmm.
Bottom line is that none of those things represent the true Gospel, nor a solid understanding of the grace of God which is neither willed by man, merited, or owed.
Yes, they have reduced the Gospel down to this utter nonsense, even to the point of teaching they chose God out their will a complete denial of John 1:13, and at the same time God saw they would choose Him so he reacted to their work, and saw they merited Him giving them eternal life.
Some teach God saw them vote for Him, and then based on that gave them eternal life, because God saw in time they would in fact do this.
But then they teach at the very same instance "Well, I coulda not chose Him too."
Ummm. Hmmm.
Bottom line is that none of those things represent the true Gospel, nor a solid understanding of the grace of God which is neither willed by man, merited, or owed.
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I prefer the term self will, since man's will is constrained by many factors... 
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Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. <- some translations say condemnation. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. <- this is the second death.
Jesus did say that Judas Iscariot was doomed for destruction...
Jesus did say that Judas Iscariot was doomed for destruction...
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boggles the mind it does
if, as tulip states, one cannot be saved unless first regenerated, then why do you now state a person can think for themself if presented with the option of God granted or worldy repentance
I don't suppose you saw that you did that though. The truth still manages to escape through the well groomed tulip gardens
if, as tulip states, one cannot be saved unless first regenerated, then why do you now state a person can think for themself if presented with the option of God granted or worldy repentance
I don't suppose you saw that you did that though. The truth still manages to escape through the well groomed tulip gardens
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“But the objection is not yet resolved, that if all things are done by the will of God, and men contrive nothing except by His will and ordination, then God is the author of all evils.”
John Calvin
God's sovereignty is not properly understood within the Calvinist dogma... rather than correctly understand how God works in the affairs of men... and brings His to pass without direct control Calvin makes God responsible for all evil.... Calvin has issues with his own will, and the will of others as did Augustine.
There is some irony in that Calvin who preached the "bondage of the will" had no problem putting other people's will under his bondage.
God in the end did give us "a will" and the ability to choose and this is evidenced throughout scripture.
John Calvin
God's sovereignty is not properly understood within the Calvinist dogma... rather than correctly understand how God works in the affairs of men... and brings His to pass without direct control Calvin makes God responsible for all evil.... Calvin has issues with his own will, and the will of others as did Augustine.
There is some irony in that Calvin who preached the "bondage of the will" had no problem putting other people's will under his bondage.
God in the end did give us "a will" and the ability to choose and this is evidenced throughout scripture.
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Yes the Calvinist interpretation of John 1:13............
“But as many as [were already regenerated] received him, to them [who were already regenerated] gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them [who were already regenerated] that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
But that would be incorrect.
This is speaking to the nature of our new birth.. not the means.
Ephesians 1:13 makes is clear and the correct order.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
“But as many as [were already regenerated] received him, to them [who were already regenerated] gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them [who were already regenerated] that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
But that would be incorrect.
This is speaking to the nature of our new birth.. not the means.
Ephesians 1:13 makes is clear and the correct order.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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