Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
- Thread starter DevotiontoBible
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E
It is called experience, Not an extra biblical account. I heard it as a young child in a baptist church from a baptist missionary in Africa. And a few others also. It is called someone who witnessed it. There are way to many people who keep saying the same thing (if you heard it also) for it to be just coincidence.
I am saddened you do not think God can work in peoples hearts to prepair them for the word.
Matthew 13 easily refutes these "accounts". The sower sows the seed and on good ground and it produces fruit. God prepares the heart to hear and receive the word. We both agree here. The seed sown is the word. The soil is the heart. But no one has these dreams, imo. Just like those who claimed to sed the virgin Mary in a vision and many were saved. Pure fiction, imo.
E
I believe Jesus when he said he will send the HS and he will convict the world of sin righteousness and justice.
While in the end, no one will be saved apart from ther word. I do believe God can work on a heart until the word is given.
I do not believe anyone was saved apart from the word. Just saying God can prepair us for the word. It is part of him DRAWING men to himself.
Again, He does not foreknow ppl's acts/deeds, but foreknows them, foreknows ppl.
God shows no favortism, as averred in Acts 10:34 & Romans 2:11.
If God foreknows and elects those whom He knew would receive Him, and leaves those He knew would reject Him in their fallen condition, then He has violated His own word in Acts 10:34 & Romans 2:11.
God shows no favortism, as averred in Acts 10:34 & Romans 2:11.
If God foreknows and elects those whom He knew would receive Him, and leaves those He knew would reject Him in their fallen condition, then He has violated His own word in Acts 10:34 & Romans 2:11.
E
I can not see how choosing someone based on prophetic knowledge shows favoritism.
people who reject him are lost because they reject him, It never said God chose them to hell. That is no where in scripture. They condemned themselves by unbelief.
Now God chowing person A. And they are saved but not choosing person B, and they have no choice but to remain unsaved. That is favoritism. If all people are dead because of sin and everyone is in the same boat. Yet God choses to pick these people out, but not those. God shows favoritism to the ones he chose.
If he chose based on prophetic knowledge,. There is no favoritism, Because he offered everyone the same gift. People condemned themselves.
people who reject him are lost because they reject him, It never said God chose them to hell. That is no where in scripture. They condemned themselves by unbelief.
Now God chowing person A. And they are saved but not choosing person B, and they have no choice but to remain unsaved. That is favoritism. If all people are dead because of sin and everyone is in the same boat. Yet God choses to pick these people out, but not those. God shows favoritism to the ones he chose.
If he chose based on prophetic knowledge,. There is no favoritism, Because he offered everyone the same gift. People condemned themselves.
Any experience not backed up by Scripture is an extra-biblical account. That's why it is referred to as an experience, and is not found in Biblical revelation.
I mean, that's what the an experience is that has no place or backing, it is "extra-biblical" something that is "outside Scripture." Your related story and attempt to validate it as from God, and not extra-biblical is non sequitur. You're making this experience you heard about as true as Scripture and/or of God because you and others "heard it." Scripture is the test, not experience, not hearsay.
We could show how inconsistent and flimsy your argument of validation is by validating Fatima as well, all from your same criteria. Stories have no authority. Peter spoke of how Scripture is authoritative over experience, 2 Peter 1:16-19 &c.
This is why I will remain Sola Scriptura. Your position is not Sola Scriptura, it is "exta-biblical."
(I am making this post as an admonition for others who desire to remain thoroughly Biblical, as most certainly EG will not accept this clarification nor see his basic error, and be corrected.)
I mean, that's what the an experience is that has no place or backing, it is "extra-biblical" something that is "outside Scripture." Your related story and attempt to validate it as from God, and not extra-biblical is non sequitur. You're making this experience you heard about as true as Scripture and/or of God because you and others "heard it." Scripture is the test, not experience, not hearsay.
We could show how inconsistent and flimsy your argument of validation is by validating Fatima as well, all from your same criteria. Stories have no authority. Peter spoke of how Scripture is authoritative over experience, 2 Peter 1:16-19 &c.
This is why I will remain Sola Scriptura. Your position is not Sola Scriptura, it is "exta-biblical."
(I am making this post as an admonition for others who desire to remain thoroughly Biblical, as most certainly EG will not accept this clarification nor see his basic error, and be corrected.)
Last edited:
If God chose Charlie because He knew he would be willing to be saved, and left Shawn to his fallen state because He knew that regardless anything He did, Shawn would not be willing, then God showed favortism. That would like me leaving my living to someone I knew would take good care of it over a known drug addict. I showed favortism to the one I knew would care for what I left behind.
Ppl reject God because they're lost, not the other way around. Ppl are already citizens of hell upon birth. My non-Cal pastor stated it that way once.
And God chose no one for hell, either. Everyone would reside in hell if God had not chosen His elect. He saved them from hell, themselves, and Himself.
Ppl reject God because they're lost, not the other way around. Ppl are already citizens of hell upon birth. My non-Cal pastor stated it that way once.
And God chose no one for hell, either. Everyone would reside in hell if God had not chosen His elect. He saved them from hell, themselves, and Himself.
E
How? Is God supposed to make Shawn believe against his will?
Not the same, It would. Be like you leaving your will to a group of people. But only those who wanted it would recieve it, You would not force anyone to take it against their will (some may not think your things are worth it)
the only difference is, since your not God, you do not know who will say yes and who will God. So you could not predestine anyone to take your stuff.
People are lost because they reject God. “He who believe4s is not condemned, He who does not believe (reject God) is condemned already, why are they condemned? Because they did not believe.
And if God did not allow a person or give them a choice to be saved, He chose them for hell. And he shows favoritism. At least in my view.
Ps. Thank you for an honest/ humble conversation. It is pleasant.
Not the same, It would. Be like you leaving your will to a group of people. But only those who wanted it would recieve it, You would not force anyone to take it against their will (some may not think your things are worth it)
the only difference is, since your not God, you do not know who will say yes and who will God. So you could not predestine anyone to take your stuff.
People are lost because they reject God. “He who believe4s is not condemned, He who does not believe (reject God) is condemned already, why are they condemned? Because they did not believe.
And if God did not allow a person or give them a choice to be saved, He chose them for hell. And he shows favoritism. At least in my view.
Ps. Thank you for an honest/ humble conversation. It is pleasant.
Natural revelation saves no one, and that is what Romans 1 avers. Look at Acts 17. Paul goes through Athens, a city totally given to idolatry. Those in remote areas who have never seen a bible, never heard about the Christ, know there is God, but they worship idols carved from wood, stone, some sun god, stars, moon, trees, &c.
This is what Romans 1 speaks about. They know God exists, but they worship idols. No one is there to tell them about the Christ. So they worship an idol.
This is what Romans 1 speaks about. They know God exists, but they worship idols. No one is there to tell them about the Christ. So they worship an idol.
E
The Bible says the HS will convict the world of sin righteousness and judgment, and it does not say by the word. Remember, non of the NT word was written when the HS was sent. Yet he started convicting the world when he came.
So it is not extra biblical to say what I am saying,
Thanks for being the opposite of SG, You had to write in small letters to attack me..You just could not hold back could you?> You had to make an ad hominem.
Later. Back to ignore..
So it is not extra biblical to say what I am saying,
Thanks for being the opposite of SG, You had to write in small letters to attack me..You just could not hold back could you?> You had to make an ad hominem.
Later. Back to ignore..