Can a Gay person be a True Christian?

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Anyone can claim to be 'a Christian'. However if you're in an honest, earnest walk with Christ to do His will for your (God given and Jesus died for) life, then you won't uphold this as part of your identity. I'd expect that you be working through this with Christ to become the person He wants you to be in His name and His image. Consistent with the bible, none of this is inclusive of homosexuality.
 

Huglife

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sigh...i guess there is not much hope for my friend.
Lord, I wish to pray for mikes friend. I pray that you help him find your word, and return to the path of righteousness. I pray that you will save him and help him get out of his sin. In Jesus's name, amen:)
 
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Gr8grace

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sigh...i guess there is not much hope for my friend.
Yes there is. If he has placed his trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for his salvation. He is saved.
Don't listen to these folks who say ," you have to repent of all your sins." they didn't and they KNOW it.

W e repent of our unbelief that Christ died and rose again for our sins..........PERIOD.
 
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Being Gay for some is not a choice. Its a lifestyle FORCED on them by evil people claiming to be Christians who enjoy molesting children.
But it is still sin. He can choose not to act on it,with Gods help. I cannot understand what your friend has gone through,but I know God can deliver them to the uttermost.
 

lv2ski

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I encourage you to ask yourself, what is a more powerful entity, our sin or Jesus' saving grace?
She wasn't condemning him. Just stating what the6Word teaches. Remember the whole Sodom and Gomorrah thingy bobber?

Grace is for the repentant, not the unrepentant. It is offered to them, but it's not theirs until they repent of their sinful lifestyles. That doesnt mean that they're lost as they6struggle thru it. But someone who just stays in their immoral lifestyle is not saved. It doesn't matter what they said. They're lack of repentance only proves that their conversion wasn't genuine.

Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
1Jo 3:6*-‬9 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/1jn.3.6-9.NKJV

And if that's not good enough.....Jesus

I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
Lu 13:3 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/luk.13.3.NKJV
 

blue_ladybug

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sigh...i guess there is not much hope for my friend.
Sounds like your friend gives up too easily. It sounds like he doesn't realize or believe that if he is repentant of that life choice, that he IS forgiven. It seems your friend thinks that whatever happened to him must have been his fault, and not the fault of the evil adult that hurt him. THAT kind of thinking is probably why your friend felt compelled to "become" gay. My advice to your friend is, to stop giving satan the glory here. He's doing a jig right now over how guilty he has made your friend feel. Tell him to start giving GOD the glory, and the credit that He alone can pull your friend out of this wrong choice he made.
 
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Called4Christ

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Huh. We just had a similar topic over in the Family Forums area. This was my response:

Interesting topic, considering I literally burned my self help books on homosexuality and "coming out of the closet" last night. As an author and lover of books, the idea of destroying a book I didn't agree with has always seemed abhorrent to me. However, I have come to hate my former sin, and those books represented a sinful time of rebellion in my life. (Notice, sin, not person).

There is an argument whether or not homosexuality is inborn. Anyone could pull out articles from the APA, animal studies, etc to argue a case.The argument rests on the assumptions that if it is inborn, then it is natural, and then it cannot be sin. However, we cannot assume that what comes "naturally" to us is not necessarily sin.

"Well why would God make me like that?!"
I don't have all the answers. I do know that we live in a fallen world and darkness abounds in many forms. Although this is harsh, it is true: God is God and we are not. Don't ask why he made you that way, rather, ask how you can submit to Him. He is the Almighty and he "knows the plans he has" for us. His plans are for good. However, our own darkness and desire for sin can get in the way. Don't let a desire of the flesh inhibit your relationship with God.

And it isn't just people with homosexual tendencies who are to behave, it's heterosexual people too! We're not to look at anyone lustfully, have sexual relations before marriage, among other things.

So to anyone reading this who is battling with this sin, know that you are loved. YOU are loved. YOU are wanted and beloved by God and he is knocking at the door of your heart. I know you feel like this is a part of who you are and therefore--how can you separate yourself from it? The answer lies in fully submitting to God. Tell God that you want to honor him and do what He commands and that the bible teaches this is sinful. Tell Him you want a right relationship with him, and confess that you can't do it on your own.

For me, God has not made me a heterosexual overnight. It started with a removal of desire. It was not an easy process, but I encourage you to reach out to Him and be honest with Him. My goodness, He knows what you're thinking anyway, at least let Him help.

YOU are not alone, YOU are loved, there IS hope within the darkness and I pray that anyone who struggles and is reading this be encouraged, uplifted, and willing to submit to God.

Free To Struggle
[video=youtube;xSH3Q6O_7w8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSH3Q6O_7w8[/video]
 
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Called4Christ

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Here's my second post on the same subject. (I'd like to add that the transformation of the mind is not usually an overnight process.)

One thing is for sure, it is definitely a "spiritual disorder". Unfortunately, even if you went into counseling to remove and heal things of your past that may have contributed to this "spiritual disorder", modern counselors would not tell you to trust in God.What they will do (and I speak from experience) is tell you that they believe God loves you how He made you and that it cannot be wrong. They'll encourage you to seek out other gay people and get involved in the gay community. There is no healing for a christian to be found in therapy, unless the counselor is a private-practice Christian.

The only healing we can find lies in the grace of Christ and trusting in Him.

Personally, I had to choose to obey God. Had I not chosen God, I would likely be in an inappropriate relationship by now because it's what "felt right". According to the world: why should I not do what feels natural?

As we know, we can't trust how we feel to accurately determine reality. Just as depression (which I have also suffered from for years), speaks lies to me about who I am and gave me an incorrect emotional lense on life, so did homosexuality lie to me.
In the end, it's always the lie of the enemy and "doing what seems right in" our "own eyes" that causes a problem. (To put it lightly). For me, God gave me over to the lustful desires of my heart as spoken of in Romans, after I had fallen into paganism. I had exchanged the Truth of God for a lie (paganism).

I don't suggest that that's everyone's story; that's just my own.

Thanks be to God that He came to my aid and has renewed my heart and mind. I thank God that He had mercy on me and gave me strength! Today, God has removed all desire for that sin from my heart and mind. It has not yet been replaced with heterosexual desires and I don't know if it ever will, but that's okay with me. God's will, not mine. He absolutely knows best!
 
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Maybe I'm not better than this :) I believe in Grace like the next person, but that doesn't give me the right to go out and sin as I see fit.

There are two categories of homosexuals that we usually talk about. Homosexuals that claim to be Christians but know it is a sin and try to not partake in that sin. Then there are the ones that are Homosexuals that claim to be Christians but don't feel what they are doing is a sin and that the Bible needs to be brought up to date in these times.

I feel the second homosexual isn't saved, according to scripture. But then again we need to go to scripture to see if this is correct or not. I believe scripture does say what I am stating. But you know something, I'm just a sinner and could be wrong :)
I left the PCUSA because of people fitting the second category and pushing their gay agenda. It was sickening. I have absolutely no doubt people in category one are saved. I have doubts regarding the people you describe in category two.
 

lv2ski

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sigh...i guess there is not much hope for my friend.
Yes there is! Repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. That means with heart, mind6, soul and strength. Just because he has homosexual urges and tendencies, doesn't mean he has to ACT on them!

I am very heterosexual, and I dont, and am not allowed to, as a Christian.I'm single, btw. In my own sexual desire, I must excercise self control. If I don't, then I'm guilty of fornication. Which is also a serious sin to God.

Whatever your ill, you're to deny yourself in sanctification to God. You don't continually give in and practice your sin. That's what repetance and sanctification look like. Calling out to the Lord for His strength! We can't do it on our own.
 
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Grace is for the repentant, not the unrepentant.
How can you totally miss that Grace is through faith? It is not through faith that we are sinner. Who has ever been saved through their faith that they are a sinner?
 
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sigh...i guess there is not much hope for my friend.
Do not be discouraged <3...

There is always hope in Christ, brother! Let me tell you a small story :) My closest friend is an atheist and I have been praying for her for years. Sometimes it breaks my heart to the point that I sit and cry crocodile tears to the point I feel like vomiting. One afternoon after praying for her, I felt a sense of defeat. I went on my way and stopped at an archery range to practice with my compound bow. I overshot my target.
Disgruntled, I walked across the field and into the thick shrubbery, fully aware that there were probably snakes in the area. I paused and looked around and thought: ...man...those arrows are expensive...and I decided I would keep looking.

At that moment, I am convicted that God spoke to my heart, gently rebuking me, and said: You search for an arrow that you bought with money, how much more will I search for one who I purchased with my own blood?


:)
 

blue_ladybug

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God doesn't give up on us. We shouldn't give up on him, especially through hard times. Just sayin'
 

lv2ski

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How can you totally miss that Grace is through faith? It is not through faith that we are sinner. Who has ever been saved through their faith that they are a sinner?
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Ro 6:15*-‬16 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/rom.6.15-16.NKJV

And again,

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1Co 6:9 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/1co.6.9.NKJV

These passages are written to the church.

Jesus came in grace and truth. Truth is just as important as Grace. Jesus said, Jesus, not me,

I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
Lu 13:3 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/luk.13.3.NKJV

There is no continually lifestyle of sin and salvation. Those two are mutually exclusive.
 

hornetguy

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Yes, of course. Just as any other of us "sinners" are..
 
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What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Ro 6:15*-‬16 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/rom.6.15-16.NKJV

And again,

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1Co 6:9 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/1co.6.9.NKJV

These passages are written to the church.

Jesus came in grace and truth. Truth is just as important as Grace. Jesus said, Jesus, not me,

I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
Lu 13:3 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/luk.13.3.NKJV

There is no continually lifestyle of sin and salvation. Those two are mutually exclusive.
Get real with yourself. You live in sin everyday. Just like all of us.

And guess what....the more we learn about the sin in our lives and what we do. Being gay or drinking or smoking or committing adultery is the least of our worries.

And did you know that worry is a sin?