Can an Angel redeem and bless?

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In Genesis 48:16, we read:

"The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

I see this as meaning Jesus bless the lads, since God is the one who blesses and since Jesus is the only redeemer. Why is Jesus called an angel?

Are there other places in the Bible where Jesus is called an angel?

How about Rev 7:2a: "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice "

This must be Jesus too, for we read:"And no man hath ascendedup to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." and "..Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."



 
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birdie said:
In Genesis 48:16, we read:

"The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

I see this as meaning Jesus bless the lads, since God is the one who blesses and since Jesus is the only redeemer. Why is Jesus called an angel?

Are there other places in the Bible where Jesus is called an angel?

How about Rev 7:2a: "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice "

This must be Jesus too, for we read:"And no man hath ascendedup to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." and "..Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."
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The Spirit of Christ, as the living word of God is the Chief messenger and is considered an angel in many verses.

The word angel is not a religious word .It simply means a messenger .It could be one unseen or one seen. It is why we should be careful on who and how we entertain it could be a messenger/angel sent by God, who either has some words or receives them.

Christians as messengers/angels for God bring His message to the world.The gospel of hope.


Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
 
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Angels do what God tells them to do..
 
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Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
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Thanks garee. So, then, couldn't this verse simply mean: don't forget to entertain strangers because you might be entertaining a true believer (saved person) unaware, and not mean supposed supernatural beings with wings or otherwise.
 
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birdie said:
Thanks garee. So, then, couldn't this verse simply mean: don't forget to entertain strangers because you might be entertaining a true believer (saved person) unaware, and not mean supposed supernatural beings with wings or otherwise.
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Three angels came to Abraham. They looked like men, so he offered them a big feast. After the meal, the one in command told him that he was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrha. You probably remember the big compromised, where Abraham called him Lord, and talked him down to "if just ten men in that city," and the Lord agreed.

The other two angels went on their way two those cities to warn Lot and family. You probably remember that story too.

Why did two go, instead of three? Why did Abraham call an angel Lord?

I tend to agree with the commentators who all seemed to think the head angel really was The Lord. That happened now and again in OT. I haven't been able to pick out other instances when I'm pretty sure that really was God, but a couple of guys who used to come on this board had a cool debate once on how the Bible shows us the angel is God. Both of them were (are) smart cookies, so I couldn't figure out who was right. But sometimes God is an angel in OT. And once he showed up and talked to some guys on a road in the NT, had a meal with them, and only when he disappeared did they realize they just ate with Jesus.
 
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birdie said:
In Genesis 48:16, we read:

"The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

I see this as meaning Jesus bless the lads, since God is the one who blesses and since Jesus is the only redeemer. Why is Jesus called an angel?

Are there other places in the Bible where Jesus is called an angel?

How about Rev 7:2a: "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice "

This must be Jesus too, for we read:"And no man hath ascendedup to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." and "..Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."
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This is an excellent question birdie? I'm going to state this right at the start and tell you that the angel of the Lord is the preincarnate Jesus Christ. He first appears as the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16:7. Furthermore, the angel of the Lord "NEVER" appears in the New Testament where you referenced Revelation 7:2a.

So now the question is how do I know that the angel of the Lord is the preincarnate Jesus Christ? There are many proofs but one first has to understand about the Hebrew word "angel?" In Hebrew the word is "malak," and that word can mean a real angel such as Michael or Gabriel or even the angel you mentioned at Revelation 7:2a. The other definition of "malak" is simply messenger.

It is true that angels are messengers as well but it is the "CONTEXT" that determines which definition is to be used. For example it says at Malachi 3:5, "Behold I am going to send My angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me, And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming says the Lord."

Now, please notice how loaded this verse is with information? First of all who is the one that will clear the way of the Lord? It is none other than John the Baptist. Please read Matthew 3:1-3. Secondly, who is the one that is going to come to His temple? Third, who is the one that is the "messenger" of the covenant in whom we are to delight? Fourth, where in the Old Testament was this covenant made? Lastly, who is identified as the Lord of hosts?

Now, and as a side note Malachi who happens to be a human being/prophet of the Lord, well his name is from the Hebrew word "malak" which again means messenger. Again, I cannot say enough that how the word is used all depends on the "CONTEXT," this is extremely important and my statement is based on how many people/groups/cults insist that either Jesus Christ is an angel or that Jesus Christ "DID NOT preexist His incarnation, i.e oneness pentecostals and others like unitarians.

Have to stop for now but will continue on with this issue later. Just to help you get started please read Genesis 16:7 throught the end. Read Genesis 17 and 18 as well. I see one poster mentione Genesis 18 where three persons appear to Abraham at his tent. Can you identify them? :eek:

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
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birdie said:
Thanks garee. So, then, couldn't this verse simply mean: don't forget to entertain strangers because you might be entertaining a true believer (saved person) unaware, and not mean supposed supernatural beings with wings or otherwise.
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yes. a person cannot entertain a spirit not seen unless they would follow after the father of lies and his legion.
 
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Many times in the old testament bible when it says, "An angel of the Lord" it is referring to Jesus
 
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birdie said:
In Genesis 48:16, we read:

"The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

I see this as meaning Jesus bless the lads, since God is the one who blesses and since Jesus is the only redeemer. Why is Jesus called an angel?

Are there other places in the Bible where Jesus is called an angel?

How about Rev 7:2a: "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice "

This must be Jesus too, for we read:"And no man hath ascendedup to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." and "..Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."
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Only God can Redeem One to Eternal life In His perfect existence.. An angel upon the instruction of God can save someone from an evil event in this physical life in this limited existence..But saving someone from a car crash death and saving someones Soul unto eternal life are two totally different things...

Once you start to give Angels the status of God in redeeming mankind then your heading down the path of mormonisim which claims that Jesus and satan are both spirit brother angels.. And that is blasphemy...
 
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Many times in the old testament bible when it says, "An angel of the Lord" it is referring to Jesus
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Christ the Holy Spirit of God is the chief messenger who sends out his messengers with his message.He remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life .

In the old testament he appeared as a theophany or apparition . But in order to put away sin in the flesh he must put on sinful flesh and suffered as a demonstration of the work of the Spirit..pouring out His Spirit as if it was blood. He said of His own flesh it profits for nothing.
 
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birdie said:
Thanks garee. So, then, couldn't this verse simply mean: don't forget to entertain strangers because you might be entertaining a true believer (saved person) unaware, and not mean supposed supernatural beings with wings or otherwise.
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Part of the Law includes a bunch of things to do for strangers. Everything from not harvesting every single fruit you got from your field so someone on a journey can stop off and gather something to eat all the way up to bringing in people walking by at suppertime for a meal.

And then Jesus taught the disciples not to pack for their journeys, but to count on people remembering their manners. (And to kick the dust off, if they don't.)

It seems to me God covered how to treat strangers straight forward. Maybe this was just introducing a potential prize in the Crackerjack box.
 
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garee said:
Christ the Holy Spirit of God is the chief messenger who sends out his messengers with his message.He remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life .

In the old testament he appeared as a theophany or apparition . But in order to put away sin in the flesh he must put on sinful flesh and suffered as a demonstration of the work of the Spirit..pouring out His Spirit as if it was blood. He said of His own flesh it profits for nothing.
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I have to ask you garee what this statement means of yours, "Christ the Holy Spirit of God is the chief messenger who sends out his messengers with his message." It sounds to me like your saying Christ is the Holy Spirit? Can you please clarify what you mean? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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