Can Gloria Copeland Affect The Weather?

[Word_Swordsman]

If Gloria Copeland and her wolf husband can affect hundreds of thousands of dumb sheep, leading them all to destruction, why shouldn't she be able to affect the weather. I'm just saying!

Why judge someone you probably never met? Have you looked into their ministry enough to list their top 5 focus doctrines?

The most helpful for me has been learning to pray effectively, praying the Word, applying scriptures that deal with whatever the Lord put on me to deal with. There isn't a bit of power in praying something a congregation likes to hear, especially if a prayer is directed to the congregation. There's not much good in a memorized prayer, either. Folks pray the model prayer often as a standby, but few ever know any result from shallow prayers. The reason might be simply they are not regarding those words spiritually. At a Copeland meeting I experienced a 3 hour prayer session with Gloria leading it, teaching us how to pray the Word as we prayed, using that model prayer fully expanded to converse with Father God about issues of the moment.

It's amazing to me how some people find that sort of ministry to be evil. They got me praying like the Word says to do.

Maybe the problem is no prayer at all? Jesus spoke some powerful promises around prayer and speaking to objects with authority. So why not speak to a weather phenomenon? Why do some Christians limit what they can pray about? It isn't biblical to do that.

 

[Budman]

I don't believe that at all, not on this planet anyway.

By believing that, you are saying there are certain things that are out of God's control. Which strips God of His omnipotence.

how do you explain Christians who are killed or suffer in unatural and chaotic weather disasters? did God deliberatley cause the death and suffering of Christians? how do you reconcile a God of love with a God that deliberatley causes human suffering?

Just because you don't understand God's purposes, doesn't mean He's not in control. Death comes to all - be it from a tornado, or falling down a flight of steps. Dead is dead.

When that storm killed the people in Job's house, did Job say the weather took them away?

No.

He said "The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away." (Job 1:21)

God is completely sovereign.

 

[Lancelot]

By believing that, you are saying there are certain things that are out of God's control. Which strips God of His omnipotence.



Just because you don't understand God's purposes, doesn't mean He's not in control. Death comes to all - be it from a tornado, or falling down a flight of steps. Dead is dead.

When that storm killed the people in Job's house, did Job say the weather took them away?

No.

He said "The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away." (Job 1:21)

God is completely sovereign.

I don't know of any Christian who would deny that God is sovereign, be they Calvinist, Arminian, Catholic, Protestant, Cessationist, or Charismatic. The issue isn't whether or not God is sovereign, but the implications of His sovereignty. Some people seem to think that because God is sovereign He chooses who will be saved and who won't be, while others tend to believe that our faith and will are factors in the equation. The same could be said for physical healing. Nobody ever came to Jesus for healing and was turned away because it wasn't the sovereign will of God to heal them, nor did Jesus ever say "the sovereignty of God has made you whole". He did say "Your faith has made you whole", however. Therefore, it's quite possible for God to be completely sovereign while allowing for some discretion on the part of man.

 

[Abing]

Interesting question. It's like asking "Can Joshua make the sun stand still?".

 

[kedge]

Death comes to all - be it from a tornado, or falling down a flight of steps. Dead is dead.

When that storm killed the people in Job's house, did Job say the weather took them away?

No.

He said "The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away." (Job 1:21)

God is completely sovereign.

Death comes to all when God decides?, the problem I have is when I hear people who label themselves Christians claim that the God of the Bible does not cause human suffering nor death, but other like yourself claim the God of the Holy Bible does cause death and He chooses when to cause that death and suffering. This does not sit well with many including myself, how is anyone going to warmly invite another to get to know the God of the Holy Bible when His actions are uninviting?, this is just my worldview for now and no offence is to be taken, it is a serious question, actually it puts me off wanting to draw close to a Creator that gives and takes at any moment with impunity.

 

[pottersclay]

​well they say cow farts effect the weather.......just saying

 

[blue_ladybug]

​well they say cow farts effect the weather.......just saying

Funniest post I have read so far today..

 

[Budman]

Death comes to all when God decides?, the problem I have is when I hear people who label themselves Christians claim that the God of the Bible does not cause human suffering nor death, but other like yourself claim the God of the Holy Bible does cause death and He chooses when to cause that death and suffering. This does not sit well with many including myself

"A person's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed." (Job 14:5)

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." (Psalm 139:16)

"The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up." (1 Samuel 2:6)

"For he wounds, but he also binds up; he injures, but his hands also heal." (Job 5:18)

"The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted." (Isaiah 30:26)

"See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand." (Deuteronomy 32:39)

"Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds." (Hosea 6:1)

"I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." (Revelation 1:18)

actually it puts me off wanting to draw close to a Creator that gives and takes at any moment with impunity.

Frankly, God isn't concerned whether it "sits well" with you, or "puts you off". He doesn't need your approval.

Your problem is, you see no purpose in suffering. You would be wise to heed God's words when He replied to Paul's request to heal the "thorn" in his side:

"My grace is sufficient for you. For my power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Corinthians 12:9)

 

[kedge]

Frankly, God isn't concerned whether it "sits well" with you, or "puts you off". He doesn't need your approval.

I never ask anyone for my approval of anything, I am nothing, I am nobody, I am a biological machine that exists on this uninspiring rock, planet earth is full of war, hatred, suffering and corruption, who in their right normal mind would want to choose to live here if one had that choice in the first place?

Your problem is, you see no purpose in suffering.

There is no purpose to suffer, we can endure a suffering but there is no real benefit nor purpose for suffering or to be the causation of suffering, and anyone that deliberatley causes suffering to others would be seen as a tyrant, an extremely oppressive, unjust, or cruel ruler, leader, governor etc.


Why did the God of the Holy Bible create this planet earth in the first place and what is the purpose of this planet?

 

[Grace777x70]

I have found the following statement to be helpful in determining what the bible is saying.

here we go..hold your seats! I know you paid for the whole seat but you will only use the edge!..sorry...just adding a little humor!

"Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of truth"

For example the serpent told Eve she would not surely die...truly stated that this was said...NOT a statement of truth!

We can take scriptures without any context and isolate them and make up whatever we want.

The bible is the most dangerous book in the world as well as the most beautiful book in the world.

 

[Budman]

planet earth is full of war, hatred, suffering and corruption, who in their right normal mind would want to choose to live here if one had that choice in the first place?

All of that is the result of our rebellion against our Creator.

There is no purpose to suffer, we can endure a suffering but there is no real benefit nor purpose for suffering or to be the causation of suffering, and anyone that deliberatley causes suffering to others would be seen as a tyrant, an extremely oppressive, unjust, or cruel ruler, leader, governor etc.

C.S. Lewis said: "God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains. It is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world."

Why did the God of the Holy Bible create this planet earth in the first place and what is the purpose of this planet?

This may help you:

What is the meaning of life?

 

[kedge]

All of that is the result of our rebellion against our Creator.

Yeah but why do some say that the Creator causes the bad weather patterns?

This may help you:

What is the meaning of life?

That's just another worldview and interpretation of Holy Scripture, problem is that many religions inc Christianity teach different things from the same book. For example some teach that when you die you either go to heaven or go to a place to be tormented for an indefinite period, some teach that after armageddon some humans will live indefinite on planet earth, but what happens to the bad weather patterns?, seriously many Christians die because of natural disasters but according to some the God of the Bible caused this to happen, why?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

GOD can do It through her but she can't affect the weather.

 

[James47]

it is possible God did use a donkey once so he can do it again

 

[Budman]

many Christians die because of natural disasters but according to some the God of the Bible caused this to happen, why?

We die physically because we have sinned. The wages of sin is death. It's not a matter of how - but of when.

But keep in mind, to die physically is nothing compared to dying spiritually and spending eternity apart from God in the Lake of Fire.

Please consider the state of your soul.

 

[Grace777x70]

Now that sounds like something our Lord would speak about someone He died and bled for....that He loves dearly... selah

it is possible God did use a donkey once so he can do it again

 

[blondieindahouse]

Lets talk about elephants in a can. Its about as ridiculous.
Or how about we talk about global warming...

 

[Grace777x70]

How about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?..lol...that would be live changing eh?

Here's what we seem to love to do...instead of "...grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord "..we could change it to "...let us grow in the knowledge of how to tear our brothers and sisters up in the Lord."

Lets talk about elephants in a can. Its about as ridiculous.
Or how about we talk about global warming...

 

[pottersclay]

Some believe to congregate on the Sabbath (Saturday) they enter in the rest with the Lord on the last day of creation.

Some celebrate Sunday as the beginning of the work week and to observe the first day of redemption.

Which is wrong?

 

[Lancelot]

Lets talk about elephants in a can. Its about as ridiculous.
Or how about we talk about global warming...

This is actually a discussion about faith, and the extent to which God delegates authority to the believer. I don't consider that a ridiculous argument. I just used Gloria Copeland as a way of personalizing it. In the book of Acts you see believers using the name of Jesus in healing and casting out devils, and you see people trying to use the name without knowing Jesus who ended up the worse for it. Sorry that you feel that this is a ridiculous discussion, but the next time you encounter a life and death situation or a demonized person you might have a different perspective on it.