Can homisexuals be saved?

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AndrewMorgan

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Would you also point out how Romero was caught and exposed, and held accountable by Pastor Anderson; and that PUBLICLY??

You wouldn't know about Romero if it weren't for Anderson. He handled it Biblically, did he not?

That's more than I can say for the little boy raping Roman Catholic priests that get covered up and moved around to different parishes to lead many thousands in churches throughout the world.

I wasn't aware of how he was exposed.
I will say this about Anderson. He seems to have the courage to speak out about what he believes to be wrongdoing. What he said about Kent Hovind's remarriage comes to mind.
I certainly see your point about how the horrible behavior of the Catholic priests was handled.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I wasn't aware of how he was exposed.
I will say this about Anderson. He seems to have the courage to speak out about what he believes to be wrongdoing. What he said about Kent Hovind's remarriage comes to mind.
I certainly see your point about how the horrible behavior of the Catholic priests was handled.
I agree that Donny Romero certainly was hypocritical to say the least. It seems he got addicted to gambling, then cheated on his wife, and stole money. Pastor A. heard from Mrs. Romero, then jumped on a flight to get there to help the family and church right away. He busted Romero and turned him over to law enforcement too. He gave Romero a chance to confess to his church what he was involved with, with the churches permission and request. That service, Romero was out of the ministry.
The church came under new leadership that they thoroughly vetted, and continued to reach out to their community after that.
In spite of the major sins that their former pastor committed, the church tried to follow the Bible and has been strengthened since then from what I can see online.
 
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kaylagrl

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Sorry - it's not as simple as that. I don't know if you've read my point about 1Cor6. There I said that "


Good point - to an extent - a point he's made himself about whether a "bad fruit" can save anybody - even with right teaching if I understand him.
One note of caution, 'though - if he's leading people away from the Truth, is it because he's stating untruths, or is it because they don't like hearing what he says and how he says it?

No,he's stating untruths. Brother bear will fill you in on that. I really don't need to use that verse to nail the subject, it helps, but it's not needed. If you truly repent, God said He will forget your sins and cast them into the sea. He didn't say "except for homosexuals". I totally agree it's sin, but it can be forgiven, though I think it's a hard thing to come out of. But I believe in the "chain breaker" and if we come to Him He will make us whole and new.
 
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kaylagrl

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Because it is a super sin. Read Romans 1.

It is a super sin because unlike "natural lust" which is to the opposite gender, this is "unnatural" lust. Against the very order of Creation.

Never let any New Age teacher convince you that "all sin is equal" that teaching is not biblical. What is biblical is that yes if you violate the law, you are now a law breaker and need salvation. However we have different punishments under the law of Moses for different sins, due to the difference in severity of the violation, just as we do today in our countries we live in. The new testament also speaks of this in the letter of John where certain sins are "Unto death" and are not to be prayed for, and others are not.

Not if they have been repented of and turned from...
 

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I'm doing well...contrary to popular opinion...lol.
I know that's some type of attempt at self deprecation or humility or just a knock on other forum members but regardless of what it attempts to be, it doesn't work.

When others make a genuine comment about your well being try just being sincere and genuine instead. People appreciate sincerity as a general rule.
 

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I know that's some type of attempt at self deprecation or humility or just a knock on other forum members but regardless of what it attempts to be, it doesn't work.

When others make a genuine comment about your well being try just being sincere and genuine instead. People appreciate sincerity as a general rule.
Actually, it's just my sense of humor, and the person that I was actually speaking to got it.

Just sayin'...
 
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One might better note the clarity on this matter of 'homosexuality', by understanding also the term: "effeminate" (1 Cor. 6:9), which literally means in the dictionary: 'ef' as "..to make or become" and is thus a man or woman making self as the other. One has also pointed out in an article on this in another time: "a somewhat feminine man or masculine woman, might well be attracted to the opposite sex who has the features of masculine or femininity in their natural body; which is acceptable to God.
 

Nehemiah6

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I've come across differing views on this and would like to see others' biblical evidence one way or another, if any would like to comment.
All can be saved if all will repent and believe.
 

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Can homosexuals be saved?

Yes. Everyone can be saved from a life of sin. We all start out as sinners.

We must be willing to accept that we are sinners and then let Jesus clean our hearts and give us a new start.

A homosexual lifestyle is an abomination to God. Any other kind of fornication is an abomination to God also. Jesus can change us and make us clean and pure if we let Him.

2 Corinthians 5:17

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

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Pilgrimshope

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Not if they have been repented of and turned from...
yeah he’s quoting Roman’s which is referring to this principle about sinning against your own body ( Gods temple ) but if you consider it if I punch someone in violence and hate in sinning against Gods temple punching another person or offending then in any way another Christian or really any potential Christian I’m still sinning against gods temple thier body

sin is sin

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10

we can confidently say because of the law this is true

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭

if I told a lie I broke Gods law the same as a sexual offender we are both considered sinners now by the law

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭

a liar if they don’t repent will end up here same as a homosexual who doesn’t repent

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

However we interpret that scripture it’s not good for sinners who don’t repent liars thieves adulterers other sexual sins cheating people ect anything that we wouldnt do to someone we love we need to repent of and sexual sins we need to repent of also because sinning in this way also is sinful everything we do say and dwell
On is known by God now if we have received the spirit he’s always present witnessing our lives and even our hearts

we just need to stop catagorozong sins and trying to make that other sinner over there worse than this sinner here that way we can each look to our own repentance and start letting the lord reshape us first we have to stop gazing at the other guys “ sins “ and look toward our own sins with an honest mind and heart and honest lens according to what Jesus said is good and evil

then we can change for the better
 

John146

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Are you sure there are no exceptions? What about homosexuals with reference to Rom1? (I personally am not convinced either way by this belief) What about the "sin unto death"? (I believe in James) What about the unforgivable sin?
I am uncertain as to these issues.
The homosexuals in Romans 1 are not believers. They denied God. The unforgiveable sin in James is turning against God and worshipping the beast, taking his mark. James is written to the Jews during the time of Jacob's trouble. One must endure to the end without taking the mark.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The homosexuals in Romans 1 are not believers. They denied God. The unforgiveable sin in James is turning against God and worshipping the beast, taking his mark. James is written to the Jews during the time of Jacob's trouble. One must endure to the end without taking the mark.
Roman’s one leads onto Roman’s two it’s telling you what lead to his event to come

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1-11

it’s explaining about how mankind became sinners we first rejected Godnin Eden and because of that sin became part of man

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭

if you notice in the ot it’s opposite of now man begins in a relationship with God , blessed and unashamed , given dominion and freedom but then man sins and chooses to serve satans will
In Eden then they were driven out from Gods presence after they hid from him in shame and fear

the New Testament begins with mane seperwted from God , needing reconciliation to the relationship were created to have

the old testsment shows us what happened that we now need salvstion Paul’s explaining that in chapter one to get to chapter twos warning of judgement of all sin

the chapters aren’t meant to be there it’s a continual letter sent by Paul to the church at rome so if we just read it through we can see what Paul’s saying and why he’s saying it

he’s exolaining how we became sinners after bekng created for Gods Will and purpose
 

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#54
Thanks for responding.
Having said that, have you come across the beliefs of Steven Anderson and the like in their interpretation of Romans1, where they quote "God gave them over to vile affections", and saying they have lost their hope?
Nope but I am aware of what is written in romans 1. Paul also wrote.1 Corinthian chapter 6. Where he say some of those guy were among other things homosexual.
So in light of that we know that there is dichotomy between individuals and cultures. Romans talking about a culture and Corinthians refering to individuals.
 
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In response to the OP...

Of course homosexuals can be saved. Anyone can be saved if s/he has faith.

Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."

John 3:16, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."
 

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Thanks for replying.
An important question is "Can ANY specific individual be saved?" While this might be met with an immediate "Yes", some consideration is I think in order. What about the unforgivable sin? Many interpret this in different ways. Some say there is a sin from which there is no recovery. What about the "sin unto death" (I think in James)"? What about the material in Rom1, where it says "God gave them (homosexuals) up to vile affections", implying to many that they are list, without hope?

John 6:39, says that Jesus only died for those that his Father gave him. That does not include all of mankind. All of those he died for will go to heaven. They were chosen by God, before the foundation of the world and predetermined by God that Jesus would adopt them as his children, and Jesus's death on the cross was the adoption price.(Eph 1:4-5) & (John 6:39).

Before an elect child of God has been born again his fleshly nature is an enemy to God. After God quickens him to a new spiritual life, he still carries within his body that old fleshly nature. This is explained by Paul in Romans 7:18-25.

Romans 1 has reference to some born again children of God that have backslid, and began to not glorify God, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. The rest of the chapter tells just how sinful they became.

Chapter 2 Paul warns us that we could be prone to fall into the same condition that they were in.
 

ForestGreenCook

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In response to the OP...

Of course homosexuals can be saved. Anyone can be saved if s/he has faith.

Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."

John 3:16, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

Eph 2:8 - Those that are delivered (saved) to eternal life are delivered by the shed blood of Christ. It is not through mankind's faith that they are eternally delivered, it is through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ in going to the cross (Gal 2:16). The rest of that sentence clearly tells you that it is not of yourselves.

James 4:4 - Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever will be a friend of the world is an enemy of God. This cannot be the same world as mentioned in John 3:16, because the world mentioned in John 3:16 is the world of believers.

Who is it that believes? John 10:26-29 - But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my hand.
 
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Eph 2:8 - Those that are delivered (saved) to eternal life are delivered by the shed blood of Christ. It is not through mankind's faith that they are eternally delivered, it is through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ in going to the cross (Gal 2:16). The rest of that sentence clearly tells you that it is not of yourselves.

James 4:4 - Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever will be a friend of the world is an enemy of God. This cannot be the same world as mentioned in John 3:16, because the world mentioned in John 3:16 is the world of believers.

Who is it that believes? John 10:26-29 - But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my hand.
I already own a Bible (actually quite a few Bibles). What is your point?
 

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I've come across differing views on this and would like to see others' biblical evidence one way or another, if any would like to comment.
What gets ones name written in the Lambs book of life? No believer is walking a sinless life. All have some sin.. doubt this? then ask Him to show you but.. you have to mean it with you heart since it will require a change that you might not want to make. Anyway there is no sin that keeps us out of heaven. Sin can not enter heaven. What gets one in is knowing Jesus Christ as your lord. Did He die for all your sins or not? Is there some sin that Christ never died for never forgave? Are you only righteous if you have no sin? Hmm seems we are righteous because we believe in Jesus not because we never sin.

Homosexually or just lying.. lying do you know how many believers believe you can lie? Eph 4 gets tossed out. So lying or gay its a sin and will never enter heaven. So if you lie right now and then die are you doomed forever :) Is that how this works? Ooh what if you forget to repent or you just didn't and die doomed forever are you?

No one can answer this since we can't know the heart which God only sees. We are judging based only on flesh God is not. To not fully understand believe gay is a sin and be in that... then there is no sin. By that I mean they are blind and Christ said if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains. Now to know fully understand with your heart that SIN you do is wrong and you are not stuck in it trying to get out but you freely are doing it knowing GOD is against it...well its not a path I ever want to be on. We still don't know the heart.

See its not my creation not my kids. To many lets say see two kids sitting there and pick up the sinful one toss it in the fire then turn and say LOVE YOU JESUS! If they have kids...try to tell how to just raise their kids. Yet we have no problem telling a GOD what He needs to do with His kids and His creation.. no fear no honor no respect.
 

Hazelelponi

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Thanks for responding.
Having said that, have you come across the beliefs of Steven Anderson and the like in their interpretation of Romans1, where they quote "God gave them over to vile affections", and saying they have lost their hope?
I don't know who Steven Anderson is however, there's a difference between God giving people over to their sin - we see that this has happened in our nation; the further we get from the Biblical Worldview in our society and from being a truly Christian nation, the more sin rules the day, seen in the amount of homosexual practice goes on etc.

But that's a topic far different than saying individual homosexuals can/can't be saved. Of course individual homosexuals can come to Christ.

That's the thing about God - He saves whom He chooses, and proves He can save anyone - even the worst of us.