Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?
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I believe some individuals like to set themselves apart from traditional Christian theism. This has occurred through out the centuries. Dispensationalism has become very complicated and now incorporates beliefs and reasoning that is not entirely biblical. Teaching like is in my opinion is 50% accurate and 50% erroneous doctrine which only makes it more convoluted.
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Did the Apostle Paul receive further revelation from the Lord that had never been taught before? Who was Paul's message to? The Gentile world?
Paul's message given to him directly by the Lord revealed the doctrine of eternal salvation in its entirety and how to live the crucified life as a new creature living in the Church Age.
Paul's message given to him directly by the Lord revealed the doctrine of eternal salvation in its entirety and how to live the crucified life as a new creature living in the Church Age.
To speak Frankly, God didn’t make the Gospel that difficult of thing to comprehend. The thief that was crucified next Jesus got it while in mist of his agonizing last moments. I just honestly believe some people want more than what God offers. They want to be special and have insight that none or very few have. It really comes down to it’s all about them.
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Jesus himself teaches this cause and effect here:
41“Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, c and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
43Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
Luke 7:41-43
(But I think you were making the argument that we can not forgive in this New Covenant like in the old covenant.)
And, by the way. Bookmark Luke 7.
We may be coming back to it.
41“Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, c and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
43Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
Luke 7:41-43
(But I think you were making the argument that we can not forgive in this New Covenant like in the old covenant.)
And, by the way. Bookmark Luke 7.
We may be coming back to it.
What Paul teaches is the same Gospel just different crowd. Paul often spoke to both Jew and Gentile in the same crowd. Paul would speak about Jewish Old Testament history and prophecy to the Jews while he would debate Greek philosophers on their many unknown Gods.
Acts 13:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: “Fellow Israelites and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!
All we know in scripture is what Paul had on the road to Damascus. I dont seem to remember a new doctrine that Jesus spoke to Paul about. He simply was told to bring the good news to the Gentiles.
Acts 13:46-47 New International Version (NIV)
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us:
“‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’
So what new doctrine? Bring salvation? Same salvation to the Jew as to the Gentiles.
Paul, Peter, James, Author of Hebrews, Jude, and John had more to record to help their readers to be encouraged, to defend against false teachings, and to constantly remind their readers of the one true Gospel taught to them at first. But none of their letters contradict the cross and resurrection.
You will have to show me where it says Paul received a new doctrine. Gentile salvation was prophetic so it technically wasn't a surprise or new either regardless if some of the Apostles was hesitant. Isaiah 65:1 for example
Isaiah 65:1 New International Version (NIV)
65 “I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me;
I was found by those who did not seek me.
To a nation that did not call on my name,
I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’
Technically it was Peter who recieved the first vision reminding him that Jesus's died for the sins of the World not just jew. Peter was a eyewitness to the Spirit filling Gentiles.
Acts 11:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
Acts 13:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: “Fellow Israelites and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!
All we know in scripture is what Paul had on the road to Damascus. I dont seem to remember a new doctrine that Jesus spoke to Paul about. He simply was told to bring the good news to the Gentiles.
Acts 13:46-47 New International Version (NIV)
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us:
“‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles,
that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’
So what new doctrine? Bring salvation? Same salvation to the Jew as to the Gentiles.
Paul, Peter, James, Author of Hebrews, Jude, and John had more to record to help their readers to be encouraged, to defend against false teachings, and to constantly remind their readers of the one true Gospel taught to them at first. But none of their letters contradict the cross and resurrection.
You will have to show me where it says Paul received a new doctrine. Gentile salvation was prophetic so it technically wasn't a surprise or new either regardless if some of the Apostles was hesitant. Isaiah 65:1 for example
Isaiah 65:1 New International Version (NIV)
65 “I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me;
I was found by those who did not seek me.
To a nation that did not call on my name,
I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’
Technically it was Peter who recieved the first vision reminding him that Jesus's died for the sins of the World not just jew. Peter was a eyewitness to the Spirit filling Gentiles.
Acts 11:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
Before the cross the disciples was just that, disciples. They was students and not yet teachers.
More accurately you should of stated before the calling of Paul.
Peter speaking to a crowd of Jews and Jewish Gentiles gathered in Jerusalem for Passover he tells them.
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Acts 2:36-38 New International Version (NIV)
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
2 Corinthians 7:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
1 Corinthians 12:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
Colossians 1:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 1:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
More accurately you should of stated before the calling of Paul.
Peter speaking to a crowd of Jews and Jewish Gentiles gathered in Jerusalem for Passover he tells them.
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Acts 2:36-38 New International Version (NIV)
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
2 Corinthians 7:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
1 Corinthians 12:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
Colossians 1:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 1:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
It is really obvious and plain a day Peter was preaching the same message. Believe, Repent, baptize, Holy Spirit, redemption of sins, etc.
So what if they asked what must we do? They came from a legalistic system. Peter told them they had to sacrifice a ram, tear their clothes, and fast for a year. Oh wait Peter didn't say that. Both Peter and Paul's message mimics each other.
Counter my scriptures or leave it be because what your teaching is nonsense.
So what if they asked what must we do? They came from a legalistic system. Peter told them they had to sacrifice a ram, tear their clothes, and fast for a year. Oh wait Peter didn't say that. Both Peter and Paul's message mimics each other.
Counter my scriptures or leave it be because what your teaching is nonsense.
Did anyone say that baptisms save anyone? Paul also mentions baptisms. Baptism is part of a new believers actions. It usually is listed after belief, faith, repentance because typically it is something done near the time of redemption.
I am not seeing the point of your question? I literally just said before the cross, the disciples was students so obviously your mostly hearing Jesus until Acts.
I am not seeing the point of your question? I literally just said before the cross, the disciples was students so obviously your mostly hearing Jesus until Acts.
He’s been around for quite some time. Kenneth Copeland Ministries. A few months back he was made claim as to why he need a new private jet. Actually made the news because his response was so vile. Said he can sit a tube full of demons. Inside Edition confronted him on it. Watch how his face changes when he becomes angry. It’s actually demonic looking.