Can we trust the Angels?

[Nehemiah6]

As far as angels go, there is no need to "trust" in them. Jesus is all we need.

True. At the same time the Bible speaks of "the worshiping of angels". This could have meant praying to angels as intermediaries between God and men. In Catholicism the archangel Michael is venerated as Saint Michael.

"Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel by Pope Leo XIII:
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray: and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen."

"During the Middle Ages, Michaelmas was a great religious feast and many popular traditions grew up around the day, which coincided with the harvest in much of western Europe."

 

[oyster67]

True. At the same time the Bible speaks of "the worshiping of angels". This could have meant praying to angels as intermediaries between God and men. In Catholicism the archangel Michael is venerated as Saint Michael.

"Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel by Pope Leo XIII:
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray: and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen."

"During the Middle Ages, Michaelmas was a great religious feast and many popular traditions grew up around the day, which coincided with the harvest in much of western Europe."

Yes. They probably have a special day for worshipping the milk of Mary.

 

[Karlon]

When God kicked out satan He also kicked out about a third of the angels. som obviously, the remaining angels in Heaven are approved of by God. We can trust the angels because: 1. they constantly observe our lives. 2. they have great power & extensive wisdom. 3. God assigned them to protect us. 4. they have great strength & ability. 5. they are proof of God's truth. 6. angels will appear in human form sent by God (Gabriel seems to be the messenger angel).

 

[Happy_hobnob]

Amen.
John 6:
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Yes 💖 I believe we have citizenship in heaven right now to,

I also have a feeling God knew the fall would happen in the Garden befor it happend, because of the othe commandment he Gave to eve. The world had already fallen when Satan was cast to earth, So I kinda think the fallen earth all tho free to roam for the unsaved might be freedom to the unsaved in there delusional state of mind, but really no freedom at all.

 

[Happy_hobnob]

Yes. They probably have a special day for worshipping the milk of Mary.

it could be a muffin Mary day,

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

In the Bible Satan is described as a fallen angel, having originally been Lucifer who was beautiful and known as the Bringer of Light - if my understanding is right.

It is said there was war in heaven, Satan banished for challenging God and that many other angels, a third of the total, followed him.

So they comprise the evil presences here, leading mankind astray and corrupting souls until Jesus comes back and takes over. Then will be their final end and our heavenly eternity shall begin.
So, can we trust all the other angels in heaven? God couldn't.

I am really confused about this.

An elect angel from God will speak God's message in agreement completely with His Written Word. I would not expect to hear directly from an angel however. It is extremely rare even in the Bible. The exception will be the angels who will preach at this particular point of the tribulation.
God took me to Revelation 14:6...

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

Keep in mind that we are not to pray to angels. We should not try to summon them. Only God sends them when He has a specific purpose or message. Since He completed and published the Holy perfect Bible, it will not likely happen that you will meet an elect angel. If you ever meet an angel, I would suspect it to be a fallen one. It may appear as an angel of light, but you cannot go by appearances. John's epistle says to test the spirits whether they are of God. I John 4 tells us to do the following if it's not obvious who you are dealing with.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

There are many warnings against false Christ's and here about Jesus Christ having come in the flesh. This is a common subject where many false prophets lie. There's one example that came to mind earlier named Anna Von Reist aka Anna Von Antichrist.
I could care less about her delusions of grandeur. It's those who will spend eternity in the place that last angel warned about that I care about. Jesus said that "if you believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins."
She is one of those who teach another Jesus.
There are often fallen angels behind these people who promote these false prophet(esses).

Now guess what the most common name is these fallen angels/ demons call themselves?
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Gabriel

Now let that sink in and go back to read the post one more time.

...then this, the everlasting gospel.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What freedom is there in a fallen world, for those who don't accept Christ, or God's word, where can anyone Go in this world until they accept Christ, other than this world,

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

…Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-9, 12-13, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:10-17‬ ‭

we’re in a spiritual war with those spiritual beings that began thy at war in heaven they corrupt people and people willingly serve thier evil Will and do evil things through lust most don’t even know it

Notice though satan goes to war with the believers not the unbelievers

 

[Happy_hobnob]

I would rather notice some of my hobnobs at the moment hmmmm.

 

[Happy_hobnob]

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

…Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-9, 12-13, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:10-17‬ ‭

we’re in a spiritual war with those spiritual beings that began thy at war in heaven they corrupt people and people willingly serve thier evil Will and do evil things through lust most don’t even know it

Notice though satan goes to war with the believers not the unbelievers

God can see the future to. So he knew when he gave the commandment to Adam and Eve, the desire to lust was already there, as it was for Satan, so the world had already fallen befor Satan had entered the Garden is how I Feel, back to my hobnobs now, byeeeeeeeeeee 💖

 

[oyster67]

Yes 💖 I believe we have citizenship in heaven right now to,

I also have a feeling God knew the fall would happen in the Garden befor it happend, because of the othe commandment he Gave to eve. The world had already fallen when Satan was cast to earth, So I kinda think the fallen earth all tho free to roam for the unsaved might be freedom to the unsaved in there delusional state of mind, but really no freedom at all.

Amen
Our hope is sure.
It is so sure that we can celebrate or future right now. We have overcome through Him. Current stress and pain is a temporary situation and the morning will surely come soon.

I would rather walk open eyed with the truth in full view than stumble through the dark in a state of blissful and drunken ignorance. The far view is the best view.

 

[Happy_hobnob]

Amen
Our hope is sure.
It is so sure that we can celebrate or future right now. We have overcome through Him. Current stress and pain is a temporary situation and the morning will surely come soon.

I would rather walk open eyed with the truth in full view than stumble through the dark in a state of blissful and drunken ignorance. The far view is the best view.

it is even more sure, when you get asked a question, you haven't got your bible, you pray, and then find an answer, and then when you check your bible you find that's exactly how Jesus replied,