Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?
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One can be born again right here and right now spiritually by repenting of their sins and accepting Jesus Christ. From this point, one will be a new creation. A new man of the new birth whereby God lives within him. So if one sins, they have God to convict them of that sin whereby they will confess and forsake it. If there is no repentance and no change in one's life, then they are not saved. One is saved the moment they accept Jesus Christ. One does not want to do evil things because they are saved. One will want to be fruitful and will continue to abide with Christ because they are saved. We are saved by the washing of regeneration of the Spirit and by His mercy. Works do not save in and of themselves; They are just the evidence that God lives within a person. It is God who is the source of your salvation. Salvation is not easy believism, nor is Salvation in what a person does. Salvation is a person named Jesus Christ.
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believe on him should receive . . . .
John 6:28,29 What shall we do that we might work the works of God? . . .This is the work of God that you believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:47 Verily, verily I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another]
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believe on him should receive . . . .
John 6:28,29 What shall we do that we might work the works of God? . . .This is the work of God that you believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:47 Verily, verily I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another]
I was water baptized. But I did not do it for salvation. I was already saved long before that. Peter makes that point very clear that it is not done for the putting away of the filth of the flesh (i.e. sin) (1 Peter 3:21). 2 Corinthians 7:1 says we are to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. In other words, the filth of the flesh is sin. Meaning, Peter is saying that baptism is not for the putting away of sin.
When Jesus says we must be born of water, He is referencing the Word of God. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. We are born not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which lives and abides forever (1 Peter 1:23). James 1:18 says, he begat us with the word of truth. Jesus says in John 6:63 that his words are spirit and they are life. For Christ sanctifies the church with the washing of the water of the Word (Ephesians 5:25-26).
Remember the Parable of the Sower? If the seed of the Word of God takes root in a person's heart, it can produce a lot.
Titus 3:5 says, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
This is not easy believism. One has to repent of their sins and abide with the Spirit of Christ who is the source of salvation. We do not do the works, but it is God who does the good work within us. We yield to God's Spirit. Holiness and fruitful works do not save in and of themselves. They are just evidence that you have been saved by His grace and mercy. No holiness and fruitful works means no salvation. It is a counterfeit faith. It is not the genuine article or the real McCoy. True saiving faith will always show itself to be true. Again, works are not done so as to be saved, but because they have already been saved.
When Jesus says we must be born of water, He is referencing the Word of God. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. We are born not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which lives and abides forever (1 Peter 1:23). James 1:18 says, he begat us with the word of truth. Jesus says in John 6:63 that his words are spirit and they are life. For Christ sanctifies the church with the washing of the water of the Word (Ephesians 5:25-26).
Remember the Parable of the Sower? If the seed of the Word of God takes root in a person's heart, it can produce a lot.
Titus 3:5 says, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
This is not easy believism. One has to repent of their sins and abide with the Spirit of Christ who is the source of salvation. We do not do the works, but it is God who does the good work within us. We yield to God's Spirit. Holiness and fruitful works do not save in and of themselves. They are just evidence that you have been saved by His grace and mercy. No holiness and fruitful works means no salvation. It is a counterfeit faith. It is not the genuine article or the real McCoy. True saiving faith will always show itself to be true. Again, works are not done so as to be saved, but because they have already been saved.
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Noble sentiments but if as you say our salvation is through Christ then it cannot be lost. For Christ ministers our salvation. Mark 10 says that Christ came not to be ministered unto but to minister and to die for the sins of man. For a believer to lose his salvation would be for Christ to fail in His ministry.
You need to repent of this penchant you have for being critical of others. You really have all you can do in safeguarding your own testimony for Christ as do we all. We do not answer to any man but to Christ. That is not an excuse to live wantonly but to live circumspectly because of love and adoration for Christ.
I do not know who would want to come to Christ if all they got for the effort was the enormous worry and fear of falling once again into condemnation. Grace, love and peace are of the Lord. Fear, dread and condemnation are of the world.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You need to repent of this penchant you have for being critical of others. You really have all you can do in safeguarding your own testimony for Christ as do we all. We do not answer to any man but to Christ. That is not an excuse to live wantonly but to live circumspectly because of love and adoration for Christ.
I do not know who would want to come to Christ if all they got for the effort was the enormous worry and fear of falling once again into condemnation. Grace, love and peace are of the Lord. Fear, dread and condemnation are of the world.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus said He did not judge on His own authority. His Judgment came from the Father and the Word of God. I am using the Word of God to condemn a sin and still be saved type belief. So it is not "I" that is condemning you. It is the Word of God. For have you not read in the Scriptures that you will not be forgiven if you don't forgive? Have you not read that it is written that if you hate your brother, they are a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding within them?
No doubt, you probably think I might hate you and or others for telling them that sinning while thinking they are saved is evil and false. On the contrary, I love them. For I care enough about their soul to warn them that they are on the road to destruction.
But judging self professing believer's condoning of doing evil with the thinking they can be saved is not wrong. I don't have to repeat myself. You know it is wrong.
No doubt, you probably think I might hate you and or others for telling them that sinning while thinking they are saved is evil and false. On the contrary, I love them. For I care enough about their soul to warn them that they are on the road to destruction.
But judging self professing believer's condoning of doing evil with the thinking they can be saved is not wrong. I don't have to repeat myself. You know it is wrong.
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Wrong you are condemning others. You are putting people down and you have no idea of whom you may be harming. Not all who visit here are mighty in the faith and the word of God. Many here are easily offended and you will be held accountable for that.
Physician heal thyself. Get your house in order and leave others to the Lords tender care and mercy. The Shepherd did not beat and scatter the flock but gave Himself to keep them.
Gods grace is far greater than all our sin. Gods love for sinful men sent Christ to the cross. Christ charged Peter to feed the lambs not scatter them to the wolves.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Physician heal thyself. Get your house in order and leave others to the Lords tender care and mercy. The Shepherd did not beat and scatter the flock but gave Himself to keep them.
Gods grace is far greater than all our sin. Gods love for sinful men sent Christ to the cross. Christ charged Peter to feed the lambs not scatter them to the wolves.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Dear Peaceful Believer:
How can one believe in the same Jesus in the Bible if it is not the Jesus described to us within the Scriptures? In other words, if folks ignore Jesus' teachings then they are really not believing on the same Jesus described in the Bible. It is their own version of Jesus. A Jesus created in their own mind. A false Jesus.
In other words, if you believe in Jesus for eternal life, it has to be the same Jesus as described in the Bible. This would include Christ's teachings. For His teachings are a part of who He is.
How can one believe in the same Jesus in the Bible if it is not the Jesus described to us within the Scriptures? In other words, if folks ignore Jesus' teachings then they are really not believing on the same Jesus described in the Bible. It is their own version of Jesus. A Jesus created in their own mind. A false Jesus.
In other words, if you believe in Jesus for eternal life, it has to be the same Jesus as described in the Bible. This would include Christ's teachings. For His teachings are a part of who He is.
No. I am condemning their belief of trusting in a doctrine that promotes sinful behavior. Repentance is not a requirement in OSAS. Desipte folks wanting to ignore 1 John 1:9 that says sin is cleansed by us confessing it. For even if they were living like a saint, they are promoting a doctrine of immorality that can lead others into a lifestyle of sin (with the thinking that they are saved). This is the problem that I have with folks. If I have offended someone and said something that was not true, I wouild be happy to apologize. But folks who believe in OSAS do not believe in continued repentance as a requirement for salvation. In other words, folks are ignoring the true method of how to be saved. They think a belief alone is all it talks or a one time prayer of acceptance. They minimize sin by the very type of doctrine that they teach.
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Anywhere in any of my threads - did I say we should NOT have obedience?
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another]
And that is HIS commandment.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another]
And that is HIS commandment.
Baloney that is just your straw man argument. You create a false premise when you accuse other believers of things they have not asserted. You have never heard me say that it is not necessary for a believer to confess their sins and seek the Lords forgiveness everyday. I will state quite clearly that no sin will cause me to lose my salvation but you cannot assume that I desire to sin or that I refuse to keep a clean slate with my Lord. It s just wrong and frankly unwise to go about making baseless accusations against the body of Christ. I bet you know who the accuser of the brethren is don't you?
Stop poisoning the well and start encouraging the brethren. I do find you attitude offensive and I know the Lord is not pleased by your critical spirit. It is apparent that you have a lot of repair to make in your relationship with the Lord so I leave you to consider it.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Stop poisoning the well and start encouraging the brethren. I do find you attitude offensive and I know the Lord is not pleased by your critical spirit. It is apparent that you have a lot of repair to make in your relationship with the Lord so I leave you to consider it.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I do think we need to repent of our sins as soon as we are conscious of them.
And if you sin deliberately (remember a sin is only a sin when you know it to be wrong and do it anyway), you are turning away from God and going your own way and not doing The Lords will but your own.
But God is so graceful. And He is so kind and meek with us. Slow to anger and eternally long suffering. That's only half of it but how great is that? He knows whether a man is going to recognize and then confess and repent of that sin or not.
But as a born again believer, you can never loose your salvation and fall out with God.
I am a believer, and I confess that I am a sinner and in need of a Saviour.
Thanks be to God that he already provided that for us in the name of His Son Jesus.
Before time begun and aeons before He created the universe.
When God looks at you, He sees His son Jesus.
No matter whether you have just committed a sin or not.
God is love and there is no hate in Him.
He has a redemption plan for every man.
Does He not have a name for each and every star?
Amen and God bless.
And if you sin deliberately (remember a sin is only a sin when you know it to be wrong and do it anyway), you are turning away from God and going your own way and not doing The Lords will but your own.
But God is so graceful. And He is so kind and meek with us. Slow to anger and eternally long suffering. That's only half of it but how great is that? He knows whether a man is going to recognize and then confess and repent of that sin or not.
But as a born again believer, you can never loose your salvation and fall out with God.
I am a believer, and I confess that I am a sinner and in need of a Saviour.
Thanks be to God that he already provided that for us in the name of His Son Jesus.
Before time begun and aeons before He created the universe.
When God looks at you, He sees His son Jesus.
No matter whether you have just committed a sin or not.
God is love and there is no hate in Him.
He has a redemption plan for every man.
Does He not have a name for each and every star?
Amen and God bless.
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