Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?

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Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?


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Radius

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I didn't what, I Meant I did not see what school me brother.
It is a picture of a lost sheep and Jesus bending down to rescue it.

His sheep (us, the elect) go off into our own directions many times in life. But it is Jesus who comes searching for us, who pierces our consciences and causes us to turn back to Him. He finds us when we are off the beaten path, out of fellowship and brings us back into a state of fellowship.

That is what I gather from the parable of the Lost Sheep.
 
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Kerry

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It is a picture of a lost sheep and Jesus bending down to rescue it.

His sheep (us, the elect) go off into our own directions many times in life. But it is Jesus who comes searching for us, who pierces our consciences and causes us to turn back to Him. He finds us when we are off the beaten path, out of fellowship and brings us back into a state of fellowship.

That is what I gather from the parable of the Lost Sheep.
what if you don't want to be picked up?
 
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Kerry

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Yes I do but I know people that have had fellowship with God and curse him to his face will they be taken as well?
 

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Yes I do but I know people that have had fellowship with God and curse him to his face will they be taken as well?
DO they believe and repent? Or do they disown Christ and cast Him out of their life?
 

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Kerry those people you mentioned it is best left up to God what happens to them and where they wind up. I can't pretend to know the final answer.
 
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Kerry

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What if they are not baptised in water?
 

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What if they are not baptised in water?
the thief on the cross was not baptized in water. you do not have to be baptized to go to heaven. That is a Catholic belief.
 
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BradC

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This post is given to acknowledge our Lord, our God and Saviour who bore all our sins, transgressions and iniquities and alone suffered death for all of them. Let the following reflect the heart of God toward those who may sin but who fear (or trust) Him. This post is given to edify all believers, even those who have difficulty understanding certain things about the nature of God.

Remember that 'All scripture (including everything in the OT under Moses and for Israel) is given by inspiration of God and it profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness' (2Tim 3:16). Some would have us believe that the following Psalm of David is conditional and not a benefit to all who trust the Lord. Everything in this Psalm relates to those who believe and trust in the Lord and we are all at different levels in that department. They are believers who have problems with sin, transgressions and with iniquity. But what we see concerning our Lord magnifies who He is and how he deals with those who trust Him. This Psalm is given by inspiration that we might learn of Him and that these words would have a place in our hearts forever.

Psalm 103:1-18

1 Bless the Lord, O my soul:
and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul,
and forget not all his benefits:
3 who forgiveth all thine iniquities;
who healeth all thy diseases;
4 who redeemeth thy life from destruction;
who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
5 who satisfieth thy mouth with good things;
so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

6 The Lord executeth righteousness
and judgment for all that are oppressed.

7 He made known his ways unto Moses,
his acts unto the children of Israel.
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious,
slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

9 He will not always chide:
neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins;
nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth,
so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12 As far as the east is from the west,
so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13 Like as a father pitieth his children,
so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame;
he remembereth that we are dust.


15 As for man, his days are as grass:
as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone;
and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him,
and his righteousness unto children’s children;

18 to such as keep his covenant, (we are under a covenant of grace and not law, so there is no condemnation)
and to those that remember his commandments to do them.(recall to mind the commandments under the new covenant which are not grevious)


 

DiscipleDave

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Can any man have the witness of the Spirit that they are a child of God and not have the assurance of inheriting the kingdom of God?
satan and all the demons are children of God, They are fallen children of God. Even the unsaved are children of God. Every Spirit that is in a person is a child of God, for we come out of God and from Him. The antichrist will perform miracles and do many amazing things does not mean he will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So yes it is possible to have the witness of the spirit that they are a child of God, because all are children of God. Just because someone has the witness of the Spirit does not mean they are automatically going to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The Scriptures teach that we are grafted in, but to be careful that we are not removed from the tree like the Jews were.

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BradC

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satan and all the demons are children of God, They are fallen children of God. Even the unsaved are children of God. Every Spirit that is in a person is a child of God, for we come out of God and from Him. The antichrist will perform miracles and do many amazing things does not mean he will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So yes it is possible to have the witness of the spirit that they are a child of God, because all are children of God. Just because someone has the witness of the Spirit does not mean they are automatically going to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The Scriptures teach that we are grafted in, but to be careful that we are not removed from the tree like the Jews were.

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Dave, I do not know where you have come to have this understanding, but it is all wrong and so contrary to what we are taught by the Spirit. If you are referring to the fallen angels as the sons of God and apply the witness of the Spirit that we have within as a child of God as being the same, it is not the same. The angels were no created in the image of God as man was and those who are in unbelief are children of disobedience and not children of God. There is no mention in scripture that children of God refers to anyone or group other than those who God has chose and given His righteousness to.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 
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Let me just say - I think you are going to be shocked by who is in standing beside you in heaven, that is if you are have done enough good works to maintain your salvation to get there yourself.

Why is it that you never really answer a question and if you do reply you answer with a question?
Not sure if you been reading, but I just been arguing with others here who believe in Works Salvationism (i.e. baptismal salvation).

As for the questions you didn’t think I answered: Well, I am more than happy to answer your questions.

But you need to know the reason why I might not have answered.

#1. I might have missed your question.
#2. I did not understand the question in the way you worded it.
#3. It was a loaded question.
#4. It was a personal question.

Note:

A loaded question is one that is asked even if it may not be true. For example: If I asked: "Why do all dogs bark backwards when they are happy?" It's a loaded question based on a lie or something that is not true. If I didn't answer the question and provided the reality of how dogs really bark when happy, it does not mean the question was not answered.

A personal question is usually asked to attack the other person. To sling mud at them. Such questions can easily be asked in a third person way that does not have to involve the person personally. If I answered in a third party kind of way to a personal question, that does not mean the question was not answered. For the answer would essentially be the same (Whether it involved me or not). for the essential truth would still remain.

Anyways, if you repost your questions to me and I answer your questions to your satisfaction, will you answer my two simple questions?
 
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kennethcadwell

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It's works salvationism because if a believer dies before getting a chance to be baptized in your world view, then that person is not saved. They needed to perform a ritual in order to be saved. As if the act of getting wet somehow saves them. Read again Ephesians 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5. We are not saved by works. We are saved by God's grace. Repentance is not a work; And not doing evil things such as murder, lying, stealing, hating, etc. is not a work. Those things are passive and not proactive.

The thief was not baptized and yet he was saved.

First, once again I do not speak for the Lord, as He will have mercy on who He will have mercy.
Second, the Ephesians 2 you gave speaks of once again using works to earn salvation, not doing what was commanded of the Lord out of love for Him.
Third, in Titus 3:5 speaks of baptism as that is what washing of regeneration is about.
Washing your conscious clean by being immersed in water in His name, buried with Him in His death, and then raised in a new spiritual mindset. And then receiving of the Holy Spirit, as that scripture speaks of both.....
Then finally even Paul says do not use those other examples as an opportunity to not do them yourself.......
 
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kennethcadwell

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the thief on the cross was not baptized in water. you do not have to be baptized to go to heaven. That is a Catholic belief.

No that is not just a catholic belief, as their are a number of denominations that still preach and teach baptism.
Because it is in the bible, and never been done away with. Plus the Lord said this about it;

Matthew 3:15
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
 

notuptome

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It doesn't matter if you lived like a saint. Your doctrine places blood on your own hands for teaching others that they can abide in unrepentant sin with the thinking that they are still saved (Which is a direct violation of 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 1:7). In other words, Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits. There are testimonies of those who have came out of OSAS who felt trapped to a lifestyle of sin because they were taught that there was no real lasting eternal consequence if they did sin.
The only testimony I'm interested in is the testimony of the word of God. The Holy Spirit does not teach a critical spirit as you display. You have a bitterness of soul that causes you to accuse the brethren. Other believers do not have to live up to your standards. You may believe that you have derived them from the scriptures but your crusade is going to do far more damage than edification.

I suggest that you leave your dream world where you are the greatest legend in the kingdom and join the real world. The body of Christ which is the church is filled with imperfect people. There are people at all stages of growth and maturity in the body. There are also many pretenders who say they are in the body. God will sort them all out. God takes care of His children and God will bring them to maturity at different times and at different rates.

Be not deceived God is not mocked. Those who scatter and destroy the sheep will account for their actions to the Great Shepherd. Jesus told Peter to feed the sheep not beat them with a stick.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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No that is not just a catholic belief, as their are a number of denominations that still preach and teach baptism.
Because it is in the bible, and never been done away with. Plus the Lord said this about it;

Matthew 3:15
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
You quote verses you clearly do not understand.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Not sure if you been reading, but I just been arguing with others here who believe in Works Salvationism (i.e. baptismal salvation).

As for the questions you didn’t think I answered: Well, I am more than happy to answer your questions.

But you need to know the reason why I might not have answered.

#1. I might have missed your question.
#2. I did not understand the question in the way you worded it.
#3. It was a loaded question.
#4. It was a personal question.

Note:

A loaded question is one that is asked even if it may not be true. For example: If I asked: "Why do all dogs bark backwards when they are happy?" It's a loaded question based on a lie or something that is not true. If I didn't answer the question and provided the reality of how dogs really bark when happy, it does not mean the question was not answered.

A personal question is usually asked to attack the other person. To sling mud at them. Such questions can easily be asked in a third person way that does not have to involve the person personally. If I answered in a third party kind of way to a personal question, that does not mean the question was not answered. For the answer would essentially be the same (Whether it involved me or not). for the essential truth would still remain.

Anyways, if you repost your questions to me and I answer your questions to your satisfaction, will you answer my two simple questions?
I did answer your questions with one answer: Let me just say - I think you are going to be shocked by who is in standing beside you in heaven, that is if you are have done enough good works to maintain your salvation to get there yourself.