Can you commit a lesser sin to avoid a greater?

[thefightinglamb]

Do you believe in them? As in, should you do a lesser sin to prevent a greater sin from happening? Or do you believe their is always a sinless possibility?

I was reading the polygamy thread actually and was going to include this in that but did not want that thread to get hijacked and off topic...but I was thinking if it was better that some guys/girls sleep around all the time, and then when one gets pregnant they do not 'acknowledge the kid' or become a true mother/father to it but either become a dead beat dad or abort it or something similiar....or is it better to actually believe that people can be married to more than one person at the same time? Because I remember Mohogany Snail saying that he believes that when a person has sex, they are married, if that is true then polygamy is a sure fact of life...

The greater/lesser sins come into play when I am considering if it is a better option that someone gets married to more than one person or that they sleep around with more than one person? Because it is a fact of life, right now that many people do this ( me not included as I am a virgin)...So would it be better to endorse these people to have to 'look after' and 'financially support' and 'care for' the people they have sex with, or should they just think they can deceive a person, have sex with them and then dump them???

I mostly still am holding to my view that you can always be sinless, and no sin can ever be excused...but am just wondering...

I know of a lot of other scenarios that are really common as well... I am not sure if 'divorce is the lesser or greater sin' but it seems those who are going through it may feel that divorce is actually the lesser sin than staying in a relationship where both they and their children are being abused physically, emotionally, or sexually...

Hmmm...

 

[watchmen]

How about a choice for polygamy and sleeping around are both equally sinful.

 

[greatkraw]

you are one crazy mixed up dude

God's thoughts are above man's thoughts.

Do not let your conscience be seared with a hot iron.

 

[DinoDillinger]

Watchmen, I have a question for you, not that I'm at all interested in polygamy but, where in the bible does it say that polygamy is a sin? Some very big people in the OT were polygamist.

 

[greatkraw]

I got it now............


............you are all Mormons!!

 

[iraasuup]

I got it now............


............you are all Mormons!!

That's a huge assumption to make, especially when you are incorrect.

In future please keep comments such as this to yourself.

Thanks

 

[greatkraw]

That's a huge assumption to make, especially when you are incorrect.

In future please keep comments such as this to yourself.

Thanks

I apologise, I meant it in good humour.

Would it have been ok if I had added 'lol'

 

[greatkraw]

How did I get to be a senior member?

Must be my age.

 

[Dotann]

Too many times we compromise the small things in life and think it just wont matter, and mostly because we think we are doing the greater good and causing the lesser eveil to happen.

I have a story to tell you, and you can make up your own mind about compromising wrong choises or sin in our lives.

A father baked some special brownies for his wonderful children who he loved with all his heart. His children loved these brownies and always looked forward to them. One day after school they asked him to go to a movie that the other children were attending and although it had a few scenes in it that were of sexual content, and it had only a few cuss words in it but nothing too bad. Most all of their friends were going and it was only rated PG 13, so surely they thought they should be able to go like everyone else. Their father said NO!
They were very distraught, upset and could not understand why this could happen for the show had such a huge and positive impact in the end on so many people that they thought it to be very unfair.

The next day the father made a special batch of his brownines and this time, he added a special ingredient. When the children came home. They smelt them hot from the oven and could not wait to dive in. Before the father allowed them to take the first peice, he told them how he took the time to make sure he bought all the best of ingredients for the brownines. He baked them at the right temperature, stirred them by hand and put every bit of love in them that he had to give. He did all that he usually does when baking these brownines, only this time, he added a special ingredient. This time he added a small amount of dog feces. it was only a small tiny bit and it was so small that they wouldnt even be able to know it was there. the brwnines would still be nurishable as ever, but as hard as he tried, the children would not even take one bite of the brownies.

Later, he told the children that the brownies were like the movies they wanted to see. The had a bit a bad in it and it was wrong to partake in it for sin or wrong was in it. What we view, hear, see and understand seeps inside us and this contaminates us a bit too. over a period of time if we allow this kind of sin to continue inour life, we grow so accustomed to wrongs, that we dont know the difference between what is right and what is wrong for we become reconditioned.

This is why God has rules for us to obey. They are not there for us to make us unhappy, or to keep us thinking that we are under his feet like we are slaves and He is the master, but only because He loves us ever so much and can forsee things that we cannot ever forsee. Gods ways are highter than our ways and His laws are placed to help us grow and become better than what we are, but we cant do this if we ignore them.

It is our choice, are we going to compromise and give into the desires this world or God's will for us. This is how Satan decieves us every day, but the little compromises he gets us to choose to turn to do things that are not right. Especially Christians...

Take the advice for what ever it is worth.... it is up to you,,
But i am speaking the truth....

Dotann

 

[Maddog]

I apologise, I meant it in good humour.

Would it have been ok if I had added 'lol'

Don't worry, I got it. I'm surprised anyone thought you were making a serious claim.

 

[Maddog]

Dotann, the overall message of the story is good, but I don't think it works in reference to going to watch a film.

 

[Ancilla]

First of all, I don't think it's ever ok to commit a lesser sin to avoid a greater sin. That's one of the great lies of Satan. I also don't know if there's such a thing as a "lesser" or "greater" sin.

I find this thread confusing, so please correct me if I got it wrong.

Are you saying that polygamy is a "lesser sin"? If so, I don't think the Bible says that explicitly that polygamy is a sin, I just think the Bible says that it's not a good idea.

Not providing for one's offspring, that's definitly a sin. But, as far as providing for one that one has sex with. Well, in the Old Testament if a couple had sex they were considered married, but that's not really true now because couples don't consider having sex the same as getting married, and to get married without intending to is not really getting married. Like, in the OT surely a couple knew that if they were getting into bed together that they would be considered married, so in that sense they were consenting to marriage. But if you have a one night stand and then the next morning tell them you are now married... well, that's not going to really work. That's because marriage is a thing before God and before the law and to just go to bed with someone honours neither. It did in OT culture, but we're not in OT culture. Now, it's important to keep in mind that God considers sex becoming one flesh just as much now as it did back then.

Now I think that if a couple has sex and there's no resulting pregnancy, I think they should has God for forgiveness and then keep their distance.

So, if I get you right, should you provide for someone just because you once slept with them and therefore are considered one in the eyes of God? Well, unless there's offspring involved, I don't think so. I think if they're in need you should provide for them regardless since we are called to provide for others in need. BUT, let's say you're married to a woman and you slept with two women in your past and you tell your wife that you need to provide for those other women because you slept with them. That is a very, very, very, very bad idea.

 

[Ancilla]

At first I thought you were asking if being polygamous would make a man less likely to commit adultery. But we of course know that's not true because David had a ton of wives and look what he did.

But this kind of brings up an interesting point. If an unmarried Christian couple makes a mistake and has sex, should they get married in an attempt to please God? I say no. They may think that they're trying fix what is wrong, but I think rushing to a marriage is just another mistake. Now, if a couple is already married, I think it's important to keep going, even if you think you've made a mistake. But, see, just because a couple slept together doesn't mean God wants them to get married and rushing into a marriage for any reason is a really bad idea. Such couples you can just imagine them with a marriage councellor 10 years later saying they were only trying to please God in the first place.

 

[Ancilla]

What I'm basically saying is this: if a couple makes a mistake and sleeps together, would getting married be trying to make it right, or just making another mistake? I'd say the latter... at least in most cases.

 

[iraasuup]

How did I get to be a senior member?

Must be my age.

Has nothing to do with age. It's with how many posts you make.

I think once you reach 100 posts, it changes you to senior member!

 

[DinoDillinger]

Has nothing to do with age. It's with how many posts you make.

I think once you reach 100 posts, it changes you to senior member!

Yep, it's quantity, not quality.

 

[greatkraw]

Yep, it's quantity, not quality.

yeah well lucky i give both

 

[cookie39]

Dotann, the overall message of the story is good, but I don't think it works in reference to going to watch a film.

why not? would you take Jesus Christ to see a film with you? or do you think he would want to?

 

[greatkraw]

There are plenty of films Jesus would go to see with me.

He would also come to the club with me and play Euchre.

He might even buy me a beer.

He would not encourage me to get drunk.

 

[Maddog]

why not? would you take Jesus Christ to see a film with you? or do you think he would want to?

I have no idea if He'd want to or not, same as I've no idea if he'd want a game of footy or a bacon sarnie. Each to his own.

But anyway, there's nothing intrinsically immoral about going to see a film, even if the film depicts things which would be immoral if they were carried out in real life.