Can't we all just get along?
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I think Paul said it best:
Gal 1: 6 - 10
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
Was Paul respecting these people adding to the gospel when he condemned them?
Gal 1: 6 - 10
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
Was Paul respecting these people adding to the gospel when he condemned them?
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Dear Jamie: Church Christian unity is realized in the Eastern Orthodox
Church, for all Orthodox Christians believe exactly the same thing
"always, everywhere, and with (by) everyone" Orthodox (St. Vincent of
Lerins, Commonitories; cf. St. Jude 3).
Saved with an inaccurate theology (?) The myth of Semi-Pelagianism (?)
Do I agree with the following statement. Maybe. I think maybe this is
so.
"Jesus saves all whose trust is placed in Him alone for salvation, not
those whose theology is without inaccuracy. If that were the case, I
[William Birch] suppose that none could be saved."
The Arminian The Historical Theology of William W. Birch IS
SEMI-PELAGIANISM REAL CHRISTIANITY?
posted by William Birch of January 14, 2011
http:// thearminian.net/2011/01/14/is-semi-pelagianism-real-christianity/
God save us all, even if we don't always score 100 percent on every
possible Christian test of Christian theology. Amen. In Erie PA Scott
R. Harrington
Dear jamie: Your comment is true up to a point. Love without truth is dishonest and is not real love. Since God is love, His Spirit convicts us of our sin, and tells us the truth about ourselves. We are not to judge others. But we are to make judgments about right and wrong, and discern which theology is right, and which are wrong. We can call the statements of others wrong, without calling others wrong. Thus, it is not wrong to state that what John Calvin did was murder. Calling him a murderer is not a lack of love. If a person commits murder, they are a murderer. And like St. Paul, who was forgiven, Calvin was consenting unto Servetus's death. The thing is, St. Paul repented, and was forgiven and saved by Christ. There is no record that I know of where Calvin ever publicly or privately apologized for his cruelty toward Servetus. Thus, I'm not lacking love. I'm pointing out the truth that Calvinism, that is Calvin, lacked love. And any theology that doesn't love others or produce love for others is foreign to our Lord Jesus Christ. God save us all. Let us love one another, as Jesus has first so (John 3:16) loved us. God bless John Calvin. It's up to God what happened to him. I don't know. Every one needs God's love, and I hope Calvin found it. Found peace with God. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS I hope Luther found it too, and Thomas Aquinas. I really agree even less with Aquinas than I do with Luther, but in spite of inaccurate theology, a soul can find salvation in Christ if Christ wills to save that soul. God save us all. Amen.
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yes and how often did the adults tell you to play nice before you actually listened?
you get a mixture of people on the forums, some are quite new to Jesus and are struggling to understand the basic tenets of the faith. others are wolves seeking to devour the babes.
even babes should learn to stand up for what they believe in.
I am all for respect be shown because God created each person and they are all precious to Him even the ones who are in rebellion. However loving someone is not allowing them to live a lie but helping them know God's light and truth and love.
for example the concept of Charity and love should be a basic Christian value but you can see by another thread some people who claim to be Christian believe that people should be sterilized before given any assistance.
People pervert God's words and Truth and we should stand ready to defend and not allow them to misrepresent God with their lies.
Agape love is so foreign to the world and can not truly be explained just given and received.
PS. just because I don't agree with someone does not mean I think they are stupid. I may think they are wrong but often times I know how foolish and lacking in knowledge we all are for we have knowledge of this world which is nothing. what we need is knowledge and wisdom from above. If you think you are wise with the wisdom of this world become a fool so that God might teach you wisdom that is eternal.
you get a mixture of people on the forums, some are quite new to Jesus and are struggling to understand the basic tenets of the faith. others are wolves seeking to devour the babes.
even babes should learn to stand up for what they believe in.
I am all for respect be shown because God created each person and they are all precious to Him even the ones who are in rebellion. However loving someone is not allowing them to live a lie but helping them know God's light and truth and love.
for example the concept of Charity and love should be a basic Christian value but you can see by another thread some people who claim to be Christian believe that people should be sterilized before given any assistance.
People pervert God's words and Truth and we should stand ready to defend and not allow them to misrepresent God with their lies.
Agape love is so foreign to the world and can not truly be explained just given and received.
PS. just because I don't agree with someone does not mean I think they are stupid. I may think they are wrong but often times I know how foolish and lacking in knowledge we all are for we have knowledge of this world which is nothing. what we need is knowledge and wisdom from above. If you think you are wise with the wisdom of this world become a fool so that God might teach you wisdom that is eternal.
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truth yes, yet it not so much as to what one has to say its in the manner in which they say it that makes the difference
It should not be about any one of us. It should all be about GOD.
God did not used soft spoken diplomats to be His prophets in the OT. Its not about the manner in which someone speaks but the manner in which we receive, in which we respond to another that truly reveals rather we have learned the lessons God has tried and teach us: Love, joy, patience, kindness and self control.
A lot of times people who are hurt and angry say hurtful things, do we speak out of that hurt they have inflicted with their words and carp upon the manner they speak or do we look past that and respond with love and understanding?
we try to separate the false ideas from the person and come against the lies and not the person who speaks them. Some people don't see the difference but it is simple: the lies will never change it will always be a lie but the person might change if God wills it. they might reject and repent of the lies and be freed.
Eugenics is a lie from the pits of hell which tries and convince people that they can play God and kill anyone or prevent anyone who they believe has unfavorable inheritable traits from reproducing. It is awful but some who claim to be Christian believe this lie.
Is the person wicked? Only God can judge.
Is the idea or concept of Eugenic demonic? definitely. without a doubt. justifying death in the name of Christ is wrong. Jesus came to give life not sanction a breeding program that is based upon the forced sterilization of others.
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hmmm read acts 17 and let me know how you think Paul dealt with not just false doctrine but worshipping false Gods.
its all about us in the sense of what manner and character we conduct ourselves, even under criticism, pressure or ridicule. Sanctification is the will of God for each and everyone of us - 1 thes 4, not just getting on a soap box looking down our noses with a stiff neck.
another great reminder is Job 6:14, Col 3 12-17
its all about us in the sense of what manner and character we conduct ourselves, even under criticism, pressure or ridicule. Sanctification is the will of God for each and everyone of us - 1 thes 4, not just getting on a soap box looking down our noses with a stiff neck.
another great reminder is Job 6:14, Col 3 12-17
Paul:
Acts 13
Barnabas and Saul on Cyprus
4So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. 5When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. And they had John to assist them. 6When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they came upon a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus. 7He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord? 11And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and unable to see the sun for a time.” Immediately mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking people to lead him by the hand. 12Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.
the Baptizer:
Matthew 23:33
You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
Acts 13
Barnabas and Saul on Cyprus
4So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. 5When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. And they had John to assist them. 6When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they came upon a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus. 7He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord? 11And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and unable to see the sun for a time.” Immediately mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking people to lead him by the hand. 12Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.
the Baptizer:
Matthew 23:33
You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
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lol - He is addressong a scorcerer/magician - occult, and the key word is "being filled with the Holy Spirit"not himself. and matt 23 ? who is Jesus addressing exactly - Pharasies, again being full of the Holy Spirit and He didnt do it any other time in such a manner and words when He did as far as i can see
Maybe we should redact all the scriptures that speaks of being the salt of the world, using love and meekness, tenderhearted, longsuffering, patient, heck thats not doctrine, thats bad doctrine
Hmmm - wise man said to me, doctrine means teachings, now that stikes a chord
Question was Acts 17 lol
Maybe we should redact all the scriptures that speaks of being the salt of the world, using love and meekness, tenderhearted, longsuffering, patient, heck thats not doctrine, thats bad doctrine
Hmmm - wise man said to me, doctrine means teachings, now that stikes a chord
Question was Acts 17 lol
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ummm he calls them ignorant and superstitious...
is that what you are referring to?
Acts 17
22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
is that what you are referring to?
Acts 17
22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
I think it'd be good to critique a person's beliefs as long as you present what you both agree and disagree with and as long as the disagreeing is constructive criticism. For example: YOU'LL BURN IN HELL!!
This is not constructive criticism. A more constructive approach would be, "While I agree with you that love of one-another and love of God are the two greatest commandments found in the Old Testament I disagree that they are the only ones we should obey. And my reasoning for this is based on what Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matthew 23:23 about both tithing and mercy having value even if mercy is the greater commandment."
This is not constructive criticism. A more constructive approach would be, "While I agree with you that love of one-another and love of God are the two greatest commandments found in the Old Testament I disagree that they are the only ones we should obey. And my reasoning for this is based on what Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matthew 23:23 about both tithing and mercy having value even if mercy is the greater commandment."
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Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
without being rude, pointing fingers, getting in their face, condemning and the like is the point in which he gave testiomony of the truth, that while some mocked, others desired to hear more
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
without being rude, pointing fingers, getting in their face, condemning and the like is the point in which he gave testiomony of the truth, that while some mocked, others desired to hear more
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yes but some would consider being told they are superstitious and ignorant offensive and rude.
He was in their face in the marketplace and all over Athens. that is why they dragged him to the place to give testimony of his beliefs. though he does not condemn anyone he does speak of God's judgment upon those who reject Jesus.
" 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”"
I don't believe we should be rude, point fingers, etc. but at the same time what people perceive is not always in our hands and we should not base our words and actions upon how we think others will respond to us but how God wishes for us to speak. God tells us that people will be offended by us if we speak His truth for they prefer darkness to the light.
John 15:20
Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.
He was in their face in the marketplace and all over Athens. that is why they dragged him to the place to give testimony of his beliefs. though he does not condemn anyone he does speak of God's judgment upon those who reject Jesus.
" 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”"
I don't believe we should be rude, point fingers, etc. but at the same time what people perceive is not always in our hands and we should not base our words and actions upon how we think others will respond to us but how God wishes for us to speak. God tells us that people will be offended by us if we speak His truth for they prefer darkness to the light.
John 15:20
Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.
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if we are operating in the spirt, us not the apostles or Jesus as they had their respective calling, we would be brimming with the fruit of the spirit, just because someone gets offended we dont have to jump in and lash back, self control to be tenderhearted, kind, longsuffering etc.
as for the market place, it all started with the jews taking Paul to task to shut him up, yet even then gave great opputunity to preach to those as he was called to do, the gentiles.
people like to refer to paul and use liscemce to being abrassive in what they deem as defending the faith, at all costs kick them in the head, instead of letting His love carry our words to either soften or prick their hearts. We are told, taught (doctrine) how we ought to be walking in His righteiousness, not some of the time, all the time is the goal, by grace and choice we will, but as long as we choose to self justify ourselves and try and use His word in doing so contrary to being everything we are taught/told not to be more walls go up than come down to those who we share with
as for the market place, it all started with the jews taking Paul to task to shut him up, yet even then gave great opputunity to preach to those as he was called to do, the gentiles.
people like to refer to paul and use liscemce to being abrassive in what they deem as defending the faith, at all costs kick them in the head, instead of letting His love carry our words to either soften or prick their hearts. We are told, taught (doctrine) how we ought to be walking in His righteiousness, not some of the time, all the time is the goal, by grace and choice we will, but as long as we choose to self justify ourselves and try and use His word in doing so contrary to being everything we are taught/told not to be more walls go up than come down to those who we share with
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