Catholic bashing

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Elin said:
The problem with that is Jesus is addressing Peter personally, whose name means rock,
and states that on this rock I will build my church, and that "I will give you. . .
whatever you bind. . .whatever you loose. . ."


The church is built on the foundation of the apostles (of which Peter was spokesman
and leader) and NT prophets, with Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone (Eph 2:20).
Actually, I believe it was the confession that Peter made, 'you are the Christ, the Son of God.' Jesus uses a play on words that is lost in the English translation. He calls Peter, petros, which is a small stone such as one might throw. However, He said upon this petra, I will build my church. Petra is rock like a cliff or a large outcropping of rock.
I'm thinking petra is the rock of Christ in 1Co 10:4; Ro 9:33/1Pe 2:8; also Mt 7:24-25.
 
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oldernotwiser

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I hope that there are some born again Christians in the Roman Catholic church. If they are there it is not a result of Roman Catholic teaching.

If Mother Teresa was depending on her good works to save her then she came up short. I do not know if she ever trusted Christ but if she did not then she is certainly lost.

The greatest difficulty in witnessing to the Roman Catholic is that they use the same language but have a completely different understanding of the terminology. Roman Catholics are very religious and even superstitious but they are far from saved according to what the bible teaches.

My wife was a Roman Catholic when I married her so I have seen a lot of stuff over the last forty years. My wife and I both got saved after we were married and we continue to pray for her family to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
if mother theresa's life wasn't a testimony to her faith, what might be? how about selling overpriced used cars to the poor and being a deacon in the 6th reformed pentecostal church of bubba's butt (sorry, that's bubbas butte) arkansas?
 
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kaylagrl

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if mother theresa's life wasn't a testimony to her faith, what might be? how about selling overpriced used cars to the poor and being a deacon in the 6th reformed pentecostal church of bubba's butt (sorry, that's bubbas butte) arkansas?
Hey lets not go knockin the Pentecostals now.Not all are bad. :)
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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that's a good example of a counterfeit, whitewashed life. she never, ever, had confidence of truth, or of her own salvation,
nor of any peace in this life or in the life to come.

her own words, her own biography, 'friends' of hers, patients of hers, they all testified over-abundantly - she was no example of a life of faith in person, no, not at all. a big sham. and a shame. all deception to the world, what the head bad guy said to do , she did.... every day, all for it.

yes, the world was shown a lot different picture. have to search a little more today than ten years ago..... but the info is still out there... the enemy has had a lot of time and money to whitewash even more, so there's a lot more false information on the internet , etc than before....

it's not good , no, it never was, and it's getting worse.....
 
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If Jesus is our guide can't anyone be saved whether they are an atheist, a Muslim, a Catholic etc?

Why do we have to bash people first and show them God's love second or even not at all?

I don't get that.
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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yes, they can be saved, every one in the same way - if muslim, they have to turn away from that and turn to Yahweh in Yahshua(Jesus). if catholic, they have to turn away from that, and turn to Yahweh, in Yahshua. if b'hai, they have to turn away from that, and turn to Yahweh, in Yahshua. if mormon, .... and so on. whatever they once were in, they need to turn away from that, and turn to Yahweh (God) , in Yahshua, to be saved. simple.
 
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phil112

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Jeff, why do you have one word out of 100 in hebrew? If you're hebrew shouldn't everything you type be in hebrew? No? You think people are only smart enough to understand what Jesus the Christ is in hebrew?
Or do you have some kind of twisted idea, like the other law keepers here, that you are somehow being more respectful to Jesus, than the men guided by His spirit, who wrote His name in greek?

What exactly IS the justification for such nonsense?
 
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guardmyheart

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I am not Catholic but I would not lift up any denomination above Catholicism. Idolatry permeates every denomination and it is simply comforting to point fingers at those we perceive to be most guilty. Like a prostitute, mankind has left its first love in the Garden of Eden to chase other loves. The church (as a whole) uses the language of a prostitute when it tells men to "put God first." No husband wants to be loved more than other lovers. A husband desires ALL of his wife's love. We must love God with ALL of our hearts and stop putting Him first! While it may be easy to see the idolatry of the Catholic church, it is vain to draw attention to it before casting away all images and likenesses that have value to us. Baal lives until our Saviour returns.
 
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guardmyheart

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Hello Phil, I suspect Jeff has learned that our Saviours name was Hebrew. My name is Eric, and if I go to Indonesia, I still like to be called Eric. All of this is off topic, but the Greek butchered His name. Joshua would be a more proper transliteration to English. In fact, Joshua in the OT is the same name as our Saviours name yet we say Jesus instead of Joshua. When you study it, it is interesting, but I doubt Jeff or any other Messianic claims to earn their salvation by keeping the law or using His name as it is.
 
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Elijah19

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Ultimately, If someone has truly come to Jesus and been saved, it won't matter what denomination they joined as long as their salvation is Biblically legitimate.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God rose him from the dead, you will be saved. ---Romans 10:9

Many Catholics have fulfilled this requirement and, therefore, they must needs be saved because scripture does not lie. Note that I am not overlooking the fact that Catholicism has more holes in it's doctrine than Swiss cheese! But I wouldn't bother with worrying about a legitimate Catholic's soul in terms of salvation per se.
 

JesusLives

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God has His children everywhere and His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. There will be many brothers and sisters who think they are saved in all denominations but will hear the words depart from me I never knew you not just Catholics. Questions we need to ask ourselves are...How is my relationship with God? Do I submit to Him and listen to His voice and follow what He has asked me to do from His word (Bible)? Do I love God with all my heart, soul, strength? Do I deny myself pick up my cross and follow Him daily? Do I stay in touch with God (Pray)? Have I accepted the gift of salvation Jesus offers?

We need to work out our own salvation with God and stop trying to judge what the other guy is doing or not doing? Don't you think that God is big and good enough to build relationships with the Catholic brothers and sisters who are pure in heart and motive toward God? If the Holy Spirit can teach me He can certainly teach the Catholics who honestly seek after God our Father too. We need to show them love and not continue to condemn them. We certainly preach the two NT commandments but how much do we show them in our lives toward one another?

Bashing a denomination just because you don't agree with it doesn't solve the problem - giving our hearts to God and allowing Him to live through us can go a long way and then we would be showing the love that is preached here on CC.
 
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I'm thinking petra is the rock of Christ in 1Co 10:4; Ro 9:33/1Pe 2:8; also Mt 7:24-25.
In the other post you indicated that you thought it was Peter upon which the Church was built. Are you changing that to Christ? If so how does that fit with Jesus' statement?

In Jesus' statement it would seem that He is indicating that He is building His church on something much larger than Peter.
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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what happens to mormons on judgment day ? what happens to jws on judgment day ?
what happens to buhhdists on judgment day ? what happens to catholics on judgment day ?
what happens to nazis on judgment day ? what happens to thieves on judgment day ?
what happens to perverts on judgment day ? what happens to liars on judgment day ?


get it? UNLESS they repent, they shall all likewise perish. We all start out as sinners lost and without hope in the world, except for hope in Jesus Christ. He is the only hope in this fallen world. For anyone.

those who have been tricked into being a mormon, or a jw, or a buhhdists, or a catholic or a nazi, or a thief , or a pervert, or a liar,
all each and every one has to repent IF IF IF IF IF IF they want to be saved. simple. God has made all things simple, and man messed everything up.
 

john832

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I'm thinking petra is the rock of Christ in 1Co 10:4; Ro 9:33/1Pe 2:8; also Mt 7:24-25.
There are those who believe Petra is the Place of Safety. It may be, it does fit a lot of scripture but the Bible nowhere nails it down. All we can be sure of is this...

Rev 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the (1)wilderness to (2)her place, where she is nourished for (3)a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

1.) The wilderness is not a resort area...

ἔρημος
erēmos
er'-ay-mos
Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): - desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.
Total KJV occurrences: 50

2.) This is her place, outsiders will not be allowed in.

3.) It will be for 3-1/2 years, the time of the Tribulation and Day of the Lord.
 

john832

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yes, they can be saved, every one in the same way - if muslim, they have to turn away from that and turn to Yahweh in Yahshua(Jesus). if catholic, they have to turn away from that, and turn to Yahweh, in Yahshua. if b'hai, they have to turn away from that, and turn to Yahweh, in Yahshua. if mormon, .... and so on. whatever they once were in, they need to turn away from that, and turn to Yahweh (God) , in Yahshua, to be saved. simple.
You forgot the Protestants, they have to turn to Christ also.
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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You forgot the Protestants, they have to turn to Christ also.
no, i didn't forget. "we all" , reread....

but to remain in the groups Yahweh said to list, is simply untenable to do so for any length of time and to also still claim to abide in Christ....

as it is also written, if any man continues to call himself a christian, but refuses to repent of his sin, (deal with him as Scripture says) then if he still does not repent, have nothing to do with him (don't even greet him, nor have a snack or a meal with him) (God is serious about this!)....

'heresy' is opposed to the GOOD NEWS and to Jesus, 'heresy' is not at all compatible with Jesus, but deadly to souls that remain in it....
 
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notuptome

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if mother theresa's life wasn't a testimony to her faith, what might be? how about selling overpriced used cars to the poor and being a deacon in the 6th reformed pentecostal church of bubba's butt (sorry, that's bubbas butte) arkansas?
Tell me what was her faith in? Faith in and of itself is nothing. Only the faith that God gives through the hearing of His word brings souls to eternal salvation in Christ.

I wonder if mother Theresa ever thought of herself as a sinner? Do you think she ever realized her need of a Savior? Or was her faith in her works? I honestly cannot say as I have never read anything she may have written on the subject.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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I did. (I read what she herself said) She never ever thought of herself as SAVED !!!! ever! not once! She died without any assurance at all of being saved.
 

notuptome

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I did. (I read what she herself said) She never ever thought of herself as SAVED !!!! ever! not once! She died without any assurance at all of being saved.
Now there is a somber thought if ever I saw one.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Elin said:
I'm thinking petra in Mt 16:18 is the rock of Christ in 1Co 10:4;
Ro 9:33/1Pe 2:8; Eph 2:20; also Mt 7:24-25
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There are those who believe Petra is the Place of Safety. It may be, it does fit a lot of scripture but the Bible nowhere nails it down.
Well, 1Co 10:4, Ro 9:33/1Pe 2:8; Eph 2:20 are direct references to Christ as the rock/stone/
cornerstone, and rock is the foundation of the house in Mt 7:24-25.

These are very good indications of what petra means in Mt 16:18.
 
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