Catholic believe pope is infallible

[Jackson123]

[/B]it means using the church to make money for yourself


how do you know it was a demon? Jesus said we would know them by their fruit. what are the fruits of your neighbor, are they a threat to you and the community, are their lives full of debauchery and corruption? or are they different than you and your family?
everyone needs a good teacher but our true teacher is the one we find within, not changing churches over and over.

1. You declare that It is wrong to use d the church to make money.

it is same when I declare that pray for mary is wrong, because I love them and warn them

2. I know that demon pretend to be Mary, because No where in the Bible Said the death soul able to communicate to human live.

And the fruit is she almost kill herself

 

[onlinebuddy]

I am emotional about May too. I would love to worship and ask Mary for intercession, but let us read if Jesus advocated Mary worship/ praise/ intercession. You seem to have missed out on these verses:

[FONT=&quot]27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” (Luke 11:27)



20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family[b] heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”(Mark 3:20)


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[FONT=&quot]31 Then Jesus’ mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him.32 A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, “Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 “Who are my mother and my brothers?” he asked.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]34 Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.” (Mark 3: 31-34)


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[Jackson123]

Romans 3:23;
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"...

So which one of you is better than a catholic?
I imagine some of them might put us to shame.

yup, but to Said that muslim teaching is wrong is inline with the bible

so does to Said pray to mary is not inline with the bible

so does to say use the church to make money is wrong

the problem is we AS a Sinner tray to make additional sin by hate other

I mean by hate is when we see one wrong and we not bother to warn them

that is hatred not love


Vatican Lie and Said muslim is in the plan of salvation. If we love muslim we must tell them to accept Jesus for they salvation

 

[UnderGrace]

It is about unbiblical doctrine, systemic brainwashing, indoctrination, systemic corruption, false teaching, systemic sexual abuse and shall I go on...I am sure I could add at least another twenty descriptors...... it is not about who has more value as a person.

As a former catholic, I can tell you there is very little that is good in that organization.

Romans 3:23;
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"...

So which one of you is better than a catholic?
I imagine some of them might put us to shame.

 

[Jackson123]

It is about unbiblical doctrine, systemic brainwashing, indoctrination, systemic corruption, false teaching, systemic sexual abuse and shall I go on...I am sure I could add at least another twenty descriptors...... it is not about who has more value as a person.

As a former catholic, I can tell you there is very little that is good in that organization.

I agree, I know I am a sinner too. But sinner must learn to love other.

what is love? Say I hear A told B, that AS a muslim B do not need Convert to Christian, muslim is in the plan of salvation.

because of love I must warn B that A is a liar, salvation is only in Jesus.

The fact I warn B is that mean I feel I am not a sinner? No. I am Aware that I am sinner, but learn to love other.

if sinner hate other, mean he make addotional sin.

That what I do not want.

If I am not tell B that that salvation is only in Jesus, is that I love B, try not hurt his feeling?

I may not hurt his feeling, but I do not love him because I do not care his salvation. I know he is going to hell, and I know the way to heaven but I am not tell him

 

[FranC]

The Catholic Church does not do the bolded....they push a religion, sacramental pseudo salvation, elevate men to the stature of God, push idolatry, a non-existent place (purgatory) and are as false as Anton Levey and His 1st Church of Satan.......they kept nothing out of the so called EARLY CHURCH....and as a matter of fact the LORD'S CHURCHES (plural) were in existence for some 300 years before the CATHOLIC CHURCH and Constantine.....contrary to popular belief....PETER was not the 1st POPE of anything and was crucified UPSIDE in ROME by the ROMAN government around the same time PAUL was beheaded.........

The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.). This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the "Dark Ages" (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal. Throughout all of this, however, there remained individual groups of true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.

I'm going to answer you seriously now. Please don't reply with snide remarks...

First I'd like to say that since I grew up Catholic I've been to many, many Masses, as you could imagine.
Having converted to Protestaantism, I've also been to many, many services, as you can imagine.

I can say that at Mass, people are never taught to dislike Protestants. But I've been to many services where the Cathlic Church was brought up in a very bad light, to say the least. Pastors are not doing anyone a favor by helping their congregation to dislike not only the Catholic Church, but also Catholics.

By the dictionary definition, Christianity IS a religion. We like to say that it's not and that it's a relationship. I agree with this; however, we should not use the word "religion" as if it were a bad word. Many good people in the world belong to a religion. If this is how they praise God, so be it. There is only ONE God.

The Catholic Church teaches that God's grace is given through sacraments. Special grace. They're not dumb. They know what grace is. They believe these sacraments enforce or belief. In a way, they're not wrong. Children need feasts and special occasions to make their life more memorable. Maybe it would be a good idea even in Evangelical churches to have a special celebration for a person's first communion? Or some other celebration. We do lack this in our churches.

Elevating men to the stature of God. I agree. The Pope is the head of the Church, and every organization has a "pope".
Think of the most famous Protestant preachers... are they not like Popes? However, people do give the Pope too much importance as a spiritual leader. No one should have that much importance. This one happens to be very humble, BTW.

They do NOT push idolatry. I've tried to explain this. People do not pray to the statue. Most Catholics I know don't even bow down to statues anymore. It might be different in different areas.

Purgatory. They do base it on the bible. They are now saying that it probably lasts only a moment and that it's only separation from God. Did you know that kids are more afraid of purgatory than hell? I've spoken to different priests about this. I'll just say that sometimes the official teaching is not the personal belief. Purgatory is a truly bad doctrine because it cheapens the sacrifice of Jesus --- as if it were not sufficient to get one to heaven.

I don't know who Anton Levy is but the Catholic Church should not be compared to a satanic cult. This is terrible. Jesus is present in the Catholic Church. HE is not satan...

The Catholic Church DID keep many heresies out of the early Church, and even after.
I'm sure you've hard of the debate as to who Jesus was --- a man, a god, God ? What about the Trinity? Is God ONE, is He THREE Gods? Knosticism. So much else. It's readily available on the internet --- I can't take the time to go through each one.
Councils were held to explain these concepts in an official manner. I'd say there would be NO Church today had it not been for the Catholic Church.

When I speak of the early Church, I DO mean the first few hundred years. Problems began after it became the official Church of the Roman Empire. In Europe the Church rules as secular powers do. This is a theocracy and is Always a bad idea.

The first Pope. You're right of course. The first Pope was declared in the 400's. They do explain how it goes back to Peter.
It's like the Super Bowl. It wasn't called that before 1967, but now every Championship game even before that is referred to as the Super Bowl. Ditto for Peter.

Now check out the explanation you posted of "The Roman Empire, Constantine....".
It says that Europe was ruled by satan.
A bit biased, wouldn't you say?
Is it necessary to use such inflammatory Language?
Two wrongs never made a right.
And it did go wrong...

I was very nice and reasoned seriously.
I hope you do the same. (if you see this).

 

[FranC]

No Fran....it is the Catholic Church...........Mystery Babylon.....the root of ALL false belief systems and pseudo gospels....!

MARY is nothing more than a blessed woman who the God of heaven used for the birth of JESUS....she was a sinner like the rest of us and bows to her SON JESUS as GOD......

OK.

But let's put her a bit higher than a blessed woman.
I know plenty of blessed women, but I wouldn't put them on the same
plain as Mary...

Let's give her the respect she's due.
I don't care for how some churches like to downgrade her standing
just because they don't like Catholicism.

 

[FranC]

I've never met a real atheist.
What are they like?

We all were either atheists or agnostics before meeting Jesus !
He made God become real.

Before that, people either don't believe in a God, as a supreme being who created everything,
or they doubt he's a personal God, or doubt His existance.

 

[FranC]

you admit she is not omni present. Mean she not able to hear Multi million people from all over the world maling prayer request

than why catholic do so?

it doesn't matter whether It is intercessory pray or pray to, you Said she is not omni present.

base oN love don't you Reminders them that what they doing is wrong.

you Accused me hate Mary, why. Can you prove It

Hi Jackson

Catholics do what their Church teaches them.
In years past, the Church taught people to pray to Mary to help them.
Now this doesn't really happen anymore and the CAtholic Church is trying to get away from praying to anyone but Jesus.
This will take some time.

They do love Mary a lot and sometimes they come dangerously close to calling her a co-redemptrix.

I cannot teach all Catholics how they must pray. I'm not Catholic anyway.
I used to teach Catholic children however. I taught them about the different kinds of prayer and I taught them to pray to Jesus and to God Father is Jesus' name. This is the best I could do.

I feel that if someone is devoted to Mary God will not be mad because it is he mother of His Son, Jesus.
I'm sure Jesus loves His mother and respected her, as I posted earlier.

I don't agree with all Catholic doctrine but I don't hate them either.
We're all doing our best to get to God and to get to know Him.
Right?

 

[FranC]

you Said catholic keep heresies out of the church?
my dear, catholic itself is heresy.

you Said catholic keep islam from invading the world?

Professor Walter Said catholic created islam

this is the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-530iXmGSJM

You want to have a serious talk?
What heresies are in the Catholic Church?

 

[FranC]

Because you love them.

if you think calvinis is wrong, tell them with love.

Jesus Said love your fellow man like yourself.

Jackson,

I tell Calvinists they're wrong all the time.

Of course, they don't listen.
Everybody listens to their Church or to Google or read books.

I read the bible first, then I started to study it.
It's very plain and simple to me --- what it says, I mean.

Men make everything very complicated...

 

[Jackson123]

I'm going to answer you seriously now. Please don't reply with snide remarks...

First I'd like to say that since I grew up Catholic I've been to many, many Masses, as you could imagine.
Having converted to Protestaantism, I've also been to many, many services, as you can imagine.

I can say that at Mass, people are never taught to dislike Protestants. But I've been to many services where the Cathlic Church was brought up in a very bad light, to say the least. Pastors are not doing anyone a favor by helping their congregation to dislike not only the Catholic Church, but also Catholics.

By the dictionary definition, Christianity IS a religion. We like to say that it's not and that it's a relationship. I agree with this; however, we should not use the word "religion" as if it were a bad word. Many good people in the world belong to a religion. If this is how they praise God, so be it. There is only ONE God.

The Catholic Church teaches that God's grace is given through sacraments. Special grace. They're not dumb. They know what grace is. They believe these sacraments enforce or belief. In a way, they're not wrong. Children need feasts and special occasions to make their life more memorable. Maybe it would be a good idea even in Evangelical churches to have a special celebration for a person's first communion? Or some other celebration. We do lack this in our churches.

Elevating men to the stature of God. I agree. The Pope is the head of the Church, and every organization has a "pope".
Think of the most famous Protestant preachers... are they not like Popes? However, people do give the Pope too much importance as a spiritual leader. No one should have that much importance. This one happens to be very humble, BTW.

They do NOT push idolatry. I've tried to explain this. People do not pray to the statue. Most Catholics I know don't even bow down to statues anymore. It might be different in different areas.

Purgatory. They do base it on the bible. They are now saying that it probably lasts only a moment and that it's only separation from God. Did you know that kids are more afraid of purgatory than hell? I've spoken to different priests about this. I'll just say that sometimes the official teaching is not the personal belief. Purgatory is a truly bad doctrine because it cheapens the sacrifice of Jesus --- as if it were not sufficient to get one to heaven.

I don't know who Anton Levy is but the Catholic Church should not be compared to a satanic cult. This is terrible. Jesus is present in the Catholic Church. HE is not satan...

The Catholic Church DID keep many heresies out of the early Church, and even after.
I'm sure you've hard of the debate as to who Jesus was --- a man, a god, God ? What about the Trinity? Is God ONE, is He THREE Gods? Knosticism. So much else. It's readily available on the internet --- I can't take the time to go through each one.
Councils were held to explain these concepts in an official manner. I'd say there would be NO Church today had it not been for the Catholic Church.

When I speak of the early Church, I DO mean the first few hundred years. Problems began after it became the official Church of the Roman Empire. In Europe the Church rules as secular powers do. This is a theocracy and is Always a bad idea.

The first Pope. You're right of course. The first Pope was declared in the 400's. They do explain how it goes back to Peter.
It's like the Super Bowl. It wasn't called that before 1967, but now every Championship game even before that is referred to as the Super Bowl. Ditto for Peter.

Now check out the explanation you posted of "The Roman Empire, Constantine....".
It says that Europe was ruled by satan.
A bit biased, wouldn't you say?
Is it necessary to use such inflammatory Language?
Two wrongs never made a right.
And it did go wrong...

I was very nice and reasoned seriously.
I hope you do the same. (if you see this).

I never heard catholic ban praying and bow Down infront of statue

I never heard catholic ban on purgatory.

catholic teach muslim include in the plan of salvation

this 3 alone qualifide to categorized AS Anton levy church, and much danger.

Anton Levy we know instanly, but this is disguised.

Since you expect brother deco to be nice, I am going to repeat for hundred time

pleace expect the thruth and love from Christian. It may appear not nice, but love and thruth is what we need

To say islam is in the plan of salvation is misleading and It comparable to kill. Because some muslim may not consider accept Jesus, doe to this doctrine.

this is serious crime. It is demonic. Devil behind this doctrine.

sorry, It may hurt your feeling, but salvation is the most needed of all

say catholic help the poor, she give them a food, make people rich but what is a Gain for a man to be rich but lost his soul.

The most usefull love is If that love ledakan to the salvation of soul, not make people rich for temporary oN the earth then go to hell forever

we have to see in macro perspective.

let say a muslim help poor Christian in Papua Nugini, I heard this happen, and this make some of them Convert, gain money but lost his soul, what a gain. They lost, not a gain

 

[Jackson123]

Jackson,

I tell Calvinists they're wrong all the time.

Of course, they don't listen.
Everybody listens to their Church or to Google or read books.

I read the bible first, then I started to study it.
It's very plain and simple to me --- what it says, I mean.

Men make everything very complicated...

thank for warn what ever you think It is wrong, AS long AS you do It for love.

I expect you tell catholic aswell that vatican is liar, muslim is not in the plan of salvation

 

[Jackson123]

You want to have a serious talk?
What heresies are in the Catholic Church?

the teaching about purgatory, indulgence etc

 

[Jackson123]

Hi Jackson

Catholics do what their Church teaches them.
In years past, the Church taught people to pray to Mary to help them.
Now this doesn't really happen anymore and the CAtholic Church is trying to get away from praying to anyone but Jesus.
This will take some time.

They do love Mary a lot and sometimes they come dangerously close to calling her a co-redemptrix.

I cannot teach all Catholics how they must pray. I'm not Catholic anyway.
I used to teach Catholic children however. I taught them about the different kinds of prayer and I taught them to pray to Jesus and to God Father is Jesus' name. This is the best I could do.

I feel that if someone is devoted to Mary God will not be mad because it is he mother of His Son, Jesus.
I'm sure Jesus loves His mother and respected her, as I posted earlier.

I don't agree with all Catholic doctrine but I don't hate them either.
We're all doing our best to get to God and to get to know Him.
Right?

Why take time? Just issue papabull ban pray to mary, what is the problem

 

[Jackson123]

Christian pastor may steal and that is bad, but If he teach that steal is OK than I call It heresy

stealing is a sin, but to teach that stealing not a sin is heresy.

the problem with catholic is teaching that muslim is in the plan of salvation. That is heresy

 

[FranC]

you are, mohammad is a Pupet, work for vatican. Did you open the link?

let me quote part of lumen gentium 2/16 what catholic say about islam

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.

(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the

Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will

judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God,

Do you believe, Mohammadans include in the plan of salvation.?

Jackson,

I'm sorry I don't have enough time to devote to this.

I'm attaching a link for Lumen Gentium, which was written by Pope John Paul, ex-Cathedra (as Pope) for anyone who may be really interested in what you say.

It has been believed that the God of Christianity, the Jewish religion and Islam, is the same God --- the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph.

Lumen Gentium only says that SOME outside of Christianity MAY BE SAVED, based on some conditions.
I do agree with this.

I'm not sure if you're asking if Muslims could be saved. If they are following their religion, I don't see how this could be possible since it is not a religion of peace.

IF they are following some aspects of their religion (as some Catholics do) and rcognize the one true God of love and mercy, then yes, I believe they could be saved.

This is for God to know and I DO NOT like to speak of salvation of soul's --- my remarks here are very general.

I'll post this and also the link to the above. It's not as simple as you make it out to be...



We will designate the above three sentences of LG 16 as LG 16b.
The Council here is teaching that under certain very specific conditions salvation is
possible for non-Christians. What are these conditions?
That non-Christians be not culpable for their ignorance of the Gospel.
That non-Christians seek God with a sincere heart.
That non-Christians try to live their life in conformity with what they know of God‘s will.
This is commonly spoken of as following the natural law or the light of conscience. It is
important to note, as the Council does, in order to avoid a Pelagian interpretation, that this is
possible only because people are ―moved by grace.‖
That non-Christians welcome or receive whatever ―good or truth‖ they live amidst—
referring possibly to elements of their non-Christian religions or cultures which may refract to
some degree that light that enlightens every man ( Jn 1:9). These positive elements are intended
to be ―preparation for the Gospel.‖ One could understand this to mean either a preparation for the
actual hearing of the Gospel or preparation for, perhaps, some communication of God by interior
illumination.
There is a very important doctrinal clarification contained in the footnote in this section
that references the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston8
, which, issued in 1949,
gave an important ruling on Fr. Leonard Feeney‘s strict interpretation of the theological axiom
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

This site will be helpful and also one could read Lumen Gentium on line.
https://www.renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/lumen_gentium_16_fcs.pdf

 

[FranC]

Those practising the catholic religion do not know Heavenly Father or the Messiah. Paganism posing as light... come out of that religion and seek the Truth.

I'm sorry to have to advise you that Catholics worship the same God you do and know about Jesus.

Please tell me what is wrong with the Catholic religion and please explain how the Protestant religion is perfect.

Thanks.

 

[FranC]

oh ya i forget to say, seem to me you do not believe that mohammadan/ islam is not in the plan of salvation.

catholic say islam is in the plan If salvation.

​Is that mean you believe that catholic doctrine is Lie ?

I don't like the word "lie".

Lie is a strong word and should be used sparingly (very few times).

I like to say that a doctrine is WRONG.

If you say it's a LIE, it means that the person is saying something on purpose with a bad intention.
If you say that something is wrong it means that you've thought about it and have decided that the doctrine is wrong, but the person is not willfully lying about it.

I don't believe Catholic doctrines are a lie.
I believe some of them are incorrect.

 

[FranC]

Those that proclaim all roads lead to salvation are liars.. there is no unity with the world and its many religions. Beware of the wolves in sheep clothing my friends.. they are deceiving you. One True GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bringing our Messiah in to the world to redeem us. Hold fast to the Truth.. the Testimony of the Messiah is the only way. The serpent beguiles even in this day my friends. The rulers of this world adhere to the serpent but we must seek the Truth and rebuke them. The Messiah teaches us how to through his experience.

Loveme,

Answer this:

A person is living in the Pacific.
He has never heard of Jesus.
He realizes that there's a God, a supreme being that created everything.
He sees this when a baby is born.
He sees this in nature.
Something in him makes him feel close to this "person" and he lives a Godly life
that might please this "person".

Is this person saved?

Romans 1:19-20