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brother Allen. To me Christian mean Christ follower.

it mean fellow the teaching of the Bible.

no add anything.

catholic believe purgatory, and is not in the Bible. that mean she is not Christian.
purgatory is in scripture. non Catholics do not accept those scriptures.

is it not just as bad to delete a scripture just because you dont like what it teaches?
 

Jackson123

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Then who is Christian?
Are there any denominations that are Christian?
Jehovah's Witness?
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Are you a mormon?
Or do you not go to a church and just follow your own understanding?
I came from mennonite family, but for the last 21 years I go to first babtis. But what I believe is base oN the bible
I am not agree with some of the babtis teaching like Pre trib Rupture.
 

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purgatory is in scripture. non Catholics do not accept those scriptures.

is it not just as bad to delete a scripture just because you dont like what it teaches?
I do not think purgatory in the scripture
 

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I came from mennonite family, but for the last 21 years I go to first babtis. But what I believe is base oN the bible
I am not agree with some of the babtis teaching like Pre trib Rupture.
Then tell us all about what your church teaches that you don't believe is true, then tell us why you still go there.
 

Jackson123

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Then tell us all about what your church teaches that you don't believe is true, then tell us why you still go there.
like I Said I do not believe in pre trib rapture. I still go there, because No mennonite in my area, and No church perfect.
and I am not perfect either.

Water we drink every day are not bactery free. But we drink it

but I wont drink savage water from the toilet.

not expect perfect church, but wont go to hindu temple for worship the Lord
 

AllenW

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like I Said I do not believe in pre trib rapture. I still go there, because No mennonite in my area, and No church perfect.
and I am not perfect either.

Water we drink every day are not bactery free. But we drink it

but I wont drink savage water from the toilet.

not expect perfect church, but wont go to hindu temple for worship the Lord
Does your church teach you that catholics are wrong?
Do you talk to the leadership about this?
 

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Then tell us all about what your church teaches that you don't believe is true, then tell us why you still go there.
You are aware that the person you are addressing comes from INDONESIA are you not?
You are aware that there are NOT churches on every street corner in every town of any and every flavour, yes?

I am aware of one island, Bali, where Hinduism has a significant representation, but, no part of Indonesia has anything approaching that in percentage terms as far as Christianity goes.

He lives in a country that is overwhelmingly MUSLIM.
It is true that the government is officially secular but they control one's religious affiliation in the sense that if one wishes to change then the government must endorse this.
 

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You are aware that the person you are addressing comes from INDONESIA are you not?
You are aware that there are NOT churches on every street corner in every town of any and every flavour, yes?

I am aware of one island, Bali, where Hinduism has a significant representation, but, no part of Indonesia has anything approaching that in percentage terms as far as Christianity goes.

He lives in a country that is overwhelmingly MUSLIM.
It is true that the government is officially secular but they control one's religious affiliation in the sense that if one wishes to change then the government must endorse this.
Are you aware that on his profile page he claims to live in the United States?
 

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Does your church teach you that catholics are wrong?
Do you talk to the leadership about this?
they not teach that catholic wrong, I learn from a friend, and deepen online. I talk to the pastor, and the why he respon, look like do not believe me. It is not easy to convince people WHO think know more than me. But I keep trying.
yesterday I talked to my cousin about this and she Said she was not interested this subject.
she Said that she forward my e-mail to her catholic best friend, and her friend mad at her
 

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Are you aware that on his profile page he claims to live in the United States?
Perhaps you should clarify with him whether that is a temporary or more permanent arrangement!
 

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yup I am back and forth
So what you really believe is that of a mennonite, is that correct?
Do you realize the mennonite church supports being homosexual and even now have homosexual leadership?
Is that heresy?
 

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So what you really believe is that of a mennonite, is that correct?
Do you realize the mennonite church supports being homosexual and even now have homosexual leadership?
Is that heresy?
I am not agree with homosexual. Like I Said, my believe is base in the Bible. But yes I come from mennonite family, It does not mean I believe all they teaching.
 

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I am not agree with homosexual. Like I Said, my believe is base in the Bible. But yes I come from mennonite family, It does not mean I believe all they teaching.
You agree that mennonites and baptists teach false doctrine.
So why are you picking on the catholics?
Did God tell you to do this?
To pick on catholics but not mennonites or baptists?
 

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You agree that mennonites and baptists teach false doctrine.
So why are you picking on the catholics?
Did God tell you to do this?
To pick on catholics but not mennonites or baptists?
I believe No body perfect, No church perfect.
Let say I have a car, there is a problem with radiator, and the leather of the chair was little dammage.
and I do not have enough money to fixed both
I Will choose fixed radiator. Catholic is more danger than mennonite. I read that catholic was plan new world order and I believe It is the antichrist government. It is the Very enemy of God.
So I pick It.
before my friend told me about catholic, I Remember, I Hadi a dream. In my dream from the distance I SAW a Mary statue
And I walked closer. Up close, I saw her Facebook is scary like a Skull.
Than I know It was not Mary. I took harmmer and smashed the top part of the statue. Suddenly there were 3 big guy, in dark color Attacked me. And I am not able to finish my job, also the bottom part was hard.
About 2 and half year after that dream my friend told me that catholic is not christian
than I Remember my dream and learn more online
 
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II. GRACE

1996 Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.46

1997 Grace is a participation in the life of God. It introduces us into the intimacy of Trinitarian life: by Baptism the Christian participates in the grace of Christ, the Head of his Body. As an "adopted son" he can henceforth call God "Father," in union with the only Son. He receives the life of the Spirit who breathes charity into him and who forms the Church.

1998 This vocation to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God's gratuitous initiative, for he alone can reveal and give himself. It surpasses the power of human intellect and will, as that of every other creature.47

1999 The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism. It is in us the source of the work of sanctification:48

Therefore if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself.


2000 Sanctifying grace is an habitual gift, a stable and supernatural disposition that perfects the soul itself to enable it to live with God, to act by his love. Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God's call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God's interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification.


2001 The preparation of man for the reception of grace is already a work of grace. This latter is needed to arouse and sustain our collaboration in justification through faith, and in sanctification through charity. God brings to completion in us what he has begun, "since he who completes his work by cooperating with our will began by working so that we might will it:"50

Indeed we also work, but we are only collaborating with God who works, for his mercy has gone before us. It has gone before us so that we may be healed, and follows us so that once healed, we may be given life; it goes before us so that we may be called, and follows us so that we may be glorified; it goes before us so that we may live devoutly, and follows us so that we may always live with God: for without him we can do nothing.


2002 God's free initiative demands man's free response, for God has created man in his image by conferring on him, along with freedom, the power to know him and love him. The soul only enters freely into the communion of love. God immediately touches and directly moves the heart of man. He has placed in man a longing for truth and goodness that only he can satisfy. The promises of "eternal life" respond, beyond all hope, to this desire:

If at the end of your very good works . . ., you rested on the seventh day, it was to foretell by the voice of your book that at the end of our works, which are indeed "very good" since you have given them to us, we shall also rest in you on the sabbath of eternal life.


2003 Grace is first and foremost the gift of the Spirit who justifies and sanctifies us. But grace also includes the gifts that the Spirit grants us to associate us with his work, to enable us to collaborate in the salvation of others and in the growth of the Body of Christ, the Church. There are sacramental graces, gifts proper to the different sacraments. There are furthermore special graces, also called charisms after the Greek term used by St. Paul and meaning "favor," "gratuitous gift," "benefit."53 Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church. They are at the service of charity which builds up the Church.

2004 Among the special graces ought to be mentioned the graces of state that accompany the exercise of the responsibilities of the Christian life and of the ministries within the Church:

Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; he who teaches, in his teaching; he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who contributes, in liberality; he who gives aid, with zeal; he who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.


2005 Since it belongs to the supernatural order, grace escapes our experience and cannot be known except by faith. We cannot therefore rely on our feelings or our works to conclude that we are justified and saved.56 However, according to the Lord's words "Thus you will know them by their fruits"57 - reflection on God's blessings in our life and in the lives of the saints offers us a guarantee that grace is at work in us and spurs us on to an ever greater faith and an attitude of trustful poverty.

A pleasing illustration of this attitude is found in the reply of St. Joan of Arc to a question posed as a trap by her ecclesiastical judges: "Asked if she knew that she was in God's grace, she replied: 'If I am not, may it please God to put me in it; if I am, may it please God to keep me there.'"58
I am studying these catholic writings. I have to cross check the same if these are in line with the Bible, otherwise these are man's views, not God's. Sadly, no Bible verse references are given.

Please send me some Bible verses that explain what "Sanctifying Grace" and "actual Grace" is.
 

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Some go to confession because they already have a change of heart.
For Others, you're right. There is no change of heart and they think confessing will take care of their sins.
BTW, for the priests I personally know, they no longer do the prayer for penance thing. They talk to people and try to explain repentance to them. I'm sure this is not true in all cases. (of priests, I mean)
The catholic view of repentance is incorrect.

Repentance after confession is fine, as a child of God is not perfect and will sin. However, the first Repentance happens before baptism. Repentance is the reason why God forgives a person's sins, sees his or her faith, and accepts him or her as a child of God. A person is saved through faith, when he decides to repent and turn to God. It's a decision to leave worldly ways and live the rest of one's life in obedience to God. it's a complete change of heart that transforms a person.

Catholics are baptized as infants. An infant is not capable of understanding God and is not capable of repenting. Infant baptism does nothing for the infant, as they cannot have faith. How can the parents' faith save an infant? This is not at all biblical.

Repentance is a milestone in a person's life, when one is cut to the heart and sees how their sins have put Jesus on the Cross. One therefore decides (it's a firm decision, not a wavy temporary decision) to make a 180 degree turn from their sins and turn towards God and never repeat their sins again.(Acts 2:37-41)

Now, a person will sin after repentance. Therefore he has to continue to repent for the rest of his or her life. After the initial repentance, he or she is covered and sanctified by the blood of Jesus. (1 John 1:7)

Just wanted to ask you: When does this first Repentance take place in the heart of a catholic child? Obviously not before baptism as the Bible requires. Then when?
 

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[video]https://youtu.be/0Omas-nqTaU[/video]

steven benun Said pope Fransis may the antichrist

it is conjector.
 
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Interesting.

forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain food.

catholic foibid priest marry, but I do not know If they order to abstain from certain food
Got wine? most know that less food in the belly = stronger affect. lol[/QUOTE]

OOOOOOOH.
that's not nice!!!!

And how about this:

I prefer a nice piece of salmon filet to steak anyday!



Do you think most priests abstain from meat on Fridays or Holy days?
I've had meat on Fridays with priests, at my house or at a restrnt, and I didn't hear them complaining....

If a priest is reading along--don't get upset. All is good...
 
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Hi FranC....it has been a while since we spoke to each other. I do not agree with you on some of your points and will leave it at that. As we find in Revelation 4:5, there are seven lamp stands in Heaven.... People from every type of church mentioned in Rev. 2-3 are there. Yes, there will be Catholics amongst them...

Hope you have a Blessed day tomorrow,,, it will be raining here!


Blade
Hey Blade,

I'm very bad with Revelation.
If you talk about Revelation my eyes glaze over...can't help it --- I've tried !

But what wouldn't you agree with? Remember that I'm not Catholic, but I love all my brothers in Christ. IN CHRIST.
I just think there's so much talk going around re Catholicism that is not what the official teaching of the Church is.

(my keyboard insists on capitalizing Church. I've just gotten tired of correcting it. I do know the difference between Church with a lower case C and an upper case C)

If you don't think it's important, that's fine too.
Thanks for the hello.
I wish it would rain here. Really never does in the summer. VERY rarely. That's why they call it Sunny Italy !!
Fran