Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mikeuk]

It is very simple even childlike if you stick to what the bible says. Jesus never said that ordinances or sacraments save. We are saved by grace. We receive grace when we believe Gods word and trust Christ alone to save us. No trusting in one's own merits through ordinances and rituals or rites. Demonstrate from the scriptures what is necessary above and beyond grace. God has declared that those who are saved will know it because His Holy Spirit will witness with their spirit that they are His. Do not confuse this with the charismatic stuff but saved folks know the still soft voice of God in their hearts.
You are in error if you assume that those who are saved and know it are proud. In fact just the opposite is true. It is quite humbling to know that your personal sin sent the Lamb of God to the cross of Calvary. It is quite humbling to stand in the presence of Almighty God and give thanks for what He and He alone has done to redeem one so unworthy.

Spiritual pride and presumption is quite evident in the false humility of the high church religion. The church where pomp and pride are on continuous display.

Attempting to change God into something more appealing to the flesh of man is never a good plan. You cannot know the joy of salvation if you must fear falling into condemnation for the slightest infraction of some pious frauds arbitrary standard of good enough to satisfy God. All the mighty works man might imagine are but dross before God Who alone is Holy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger.

You haven't mentioned a single scripture in that, just an opinion, which as far as I am concerned you are welcome to hold , but I do not share it.

I don't want an argument, least of all on this thread, so let us agree to disagree, since were I to reply I would challenge every line from scripture. Take sacraments clearly do matter, take baptism john 3:16 " unless you are born again of water........you cannot enter the kingdom" etc

On a very practical level , it is sensible to assume that Jesus wants/ expects you to do all he asks, and I hope your reliance on theology, that "once you are saved" , you can get away with breaking / not doing any other ordinance does not come back to bite you, as it did for the ones such as Matthew 25:41


I really do hope you are saved as you believe! Me, Poor sinner, I just have to do my best to do what seems asked of me, and hope for grace when the time comes
Peace.

 

[notuptome]

Roger.

You haven't mentioned a single scripture in that, just an opinion, which as far as I am concerned you are welcome to hold , but I do not share it.

I don't want an argument, least of all on this thread, so let us agree to disagree, since were I to reply I would challenge every line from scripture. Take sacraments clearly do matter, take baptism john 3:16 " unless you are born again of water........you cannot enter the kingdom" etc

On a very practical level , it is sensible to assume that Jesus wants/ expects you to do all he asks, and I hope your reliance on theology, that "once you are saved" , you can get away with breaking / not doing any other ordinance does not come back to bite you, as it did for the ones such as Matthew 25:41


I really do hope you are saved as you believe! Me, Poor sinner, I just have to do my best to do what seems asked of me, and hope for grace when the time comes
Peace.

Well you have the wrong reference for born of water and Spirit. You still arrived at the wrong conclusion but the wrong reference any way.

The point is that you can never do enough to be saved. The first commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all they heart, mind and strength. Only Jesus Christ achieved this standard. No other man has even come close.

We must be saved by grace or we have no hope of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mikeuk]

Well you have the wrong reference for born of water and Spirit. You still arrived at the wrong conclusion but the wrong reference any way.

The point is that you can never do enough to be saved. The first commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all they heart, mind and strength. Only Jesus Christ achieved this standard. No other man has even come close.

We must be saved by grace or we have no hope of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Reference. Did it from memory and in a hurry, sorry - I must check in future.

On this we agree absolutely.

The point is that you can never do enough to be saved. The first commandment is to love the Lord thy God with all they heart, mind and strength. Only Jesus Christ achieved this standard. No other man has even come close.

We must be saved by grace or we have no hope of salvation.
Roger

So on that point of agreement , let us move on to other things, at least with this for now.
The reality is the matters of that statement of agreement are far more significant and profound as practising christians, than some of our differences.

By the way. Maybe I am very wrong on that but, I detect hints of "westminster confession" in your arguments and statements
Are you presbyterian perhaps? or just non demoninational? Not somethign I know a great deal about, but I am aware of it.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Reference. Did it from memory and in a hurry, sorry - I must check in future.

On this we agree absolutely.



So on that point of agreement , let us move on to other things, at least with this for now.
The reality is the matters of that statement of agreement are far more significant and profound as practising christians, than some of our differences.

By the way. Maybe I am very wrong on that but, I detect hints of "westminster confession" in your arguments and statements
Are you presbyterian perhaps? or just non demoninational? Not somethign I know a great deal about, but I am aware of it.

I think on the greatest commandment to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind, that no man can achieve this standard is false. By themselves I would say yes, but the bible does not say we as born again believers are not by ourselves. We have the Holy Spirit, and the scriptures say that we can achieve all things through Christ.


Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


It amazes me how people want to still put limitations on what God can do in our lives, as He is our strength that brings us through all things and helps keep us from impurity.....

 

[mikeuk]

I think on the greatest commandment to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind, that no man can achieve this standard is false. By themselves I would say yes, but the bible does not say we as born again believers are not by ourselves. We have the Holy Spirit, and the scriptures say that we can achieve all things through Christ.


Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


It amazes me how people want to still put limitations on what God can do in our lives, as He is our strength that brings us through all things and helps keep us from impurity.....

I know me...much as I might try to do that with all heart soul and mind, I get distracted and a times I should be thinking of him, doing things for him, my mind is anywhere else, I have bad hours and bad days, all I can do is try harder. For sure, all is possible with him. But the practical reality of my trying do honour thatwith my own free will in charge, is not as good as it could be or should be

 

[notuptome]

Reference. Did it from memory and in a hurry, sorry - I must check in future.

On this we agree absolutely.



So on that point of agreement , let us move on to other things, at least with this for now.
The reality is the matters of that statement of agreement are far more significant and profound as practising christians, than some of our differences.

By the way. Maybe I am very wrong on that but, I detect hints of "westminster confession" in your arguments and statements
Are you presbyterian perhaps? or just non demoninational? Not somethign I know a great deal about, but I am aware of it.

I knew a Presbyterian once. I bet you have heard of him. Ian R K Paisley from Ireland.

I am independent and non denominational. The bible is the unimpeachable standard God has given for us to follow.

If you agree that one cannot do enough to be saved then why make it part of your statement of faith? Grace is the only thing that is all sufficient to save and keep saved. Paul makes it clear in the second chapter of Ephesians that we are saved by grace and we are saved to do good works but those works are after salvation not before or part of salvation.

You did have the correct chapter in John just the reference you wanted is in the beginning verses.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I think on the greatest commandment to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind, that no man can achieve this standard is false. By themselves I would say yes, but the bible does not say we as born again believers are not by ourselves. We have the Holy Spirit, and the scriptures say that we can achieve all things through Christ.


Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


It amazes me how people want to still put limitations on what God can do in our lives, as He is our strength that brings us through all things and helps keep us from impurity.....

It is so sad to see you put forth such utter nonsense.

The strength of God is perfected in our weakness. God made us to be dependent upon Him and not upon ourselves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mikeuk]

I knew a Presbyterian once. I bet you have heard of him. Ian R K Paisley from Ireland.

I am independent and non denominational. The bible is the unimpeachable standard God has given for us to follow.

If you agree that one cannot do enough to be saved then why make it part of your statement of faith? Grace is the only thing that is all sufficient to save and keep saved. Paul makes it clear in the second chapter of Ephesians that we are saved by grace and we are saved to do good works but those works are after salvation not before or part of salvation.

You did have the correct chapter in John just the reference you wanted is in the beginning verses.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You knew him as a person? Or just knew of him.
I Have to admit, I never liked him. I heard him speak on news many times.
I did not think he had love of peace at heart, he seem to want to "win" rather than achieve an honourable peace.

 

[notuptome]

You knew him as a person? Or just knew of him.
I Have to admit, I never liked him. I heard him speak on news many times.
I did not think he had love of peace at heart, he seem to want to "win" rather than achieve an honourable peace.

Met him in person a couple times. Shared a meal with him at a gathering where he spoke. Prayed for him in his latter years as his health declined.

He always wanted to beat the devil and see souls saved from their sins. He always picked on the pope but many catholic people got saved because he and his folks prayed for them to see the truth of Gods word over the word of the pope.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kennethcadwell]

It is so sad to see you put forth such utter nonsense.

The strength of God is perfected in our weakness. God made us to be dependent upon Him and not upon ourselves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Did I say dependent on ourselves, NO I did not.
What I said was that with the Holy Spirit guiding us, the bible says nothing is impossible. If you still fail at following the commands it is because you are listening to yourself and what you want, and not to the Holy Spirit. Nothing is impossible with the Lord. For one to say that it is still impossible to do this, would be putting limitations on God's ability.
Which you will never catch me doing.

 

[preschoolteacher24]

Well if no other believes where welcomed then why not say so when one registers on here. Of course because people assume coming on here everyone well convert one way or other why cant everyone just come on here chat and be ok. Yes there's a lotttt of bashing. Instead of talking and respecting each other. I don't care what my friends believe in but I would never ever bin ba million years bash there believes. Sorry if I sound rude but we all have a right too write or say as we please right. I just voiced my opinion and now have a blessfull day all.

 

[Jeff_56]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.

heresy is not compatible with christianity. rcc doctrine, practices, and hierarchy is not compatible with christianity.

btw, no. in ekklesia assemblies aroung the world who obey Scripture and abide in Christ Jesus, and in this site, not everyone has a right to speak what they want to. see the NT and the site rules for the restrictions.

 

[notuptome]

Did I say dependent on ourselves, NO I did not.
What I said was that with the Holy Spirit guiding us, the bible says nothing is impossible. If you still fail at following the commands it is because you are listening to yourself and what you want, and not to the Holy Spirit. Nothing is impossible with the Lord. For one to say that it is still impossible to do this, would be putting limitations on God's ability.
Which you will never catch me doing.

While no one can argue that God is able one must also recognize that God is under no obligation.

Without wisdom there is no understanding.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mikeuk]

heresy is not compatible with christianity. rcc doctrine, practices, and hierarchy is not compatible with christianity.

btw, no. in ekklesia assemblies aroung the world who obey Scripture and abide in Christ Jesus, and in this site, not everyone has a right to speak what they want to. see the NT and the site rules for the restrictions.

Jeff, twice you have posted unreasoned blanket attacks on RCC, my experience is people who do that know little about it.
Reality is, most of what it believes is shared by some many or all congregations of Christians. For sure there are a few issues of contention based in tradition rather than scripture, which I decline to discuss here in deference to the site owners, but take a look at the ( nicene )creed - most Christians would agree with most or all of it, because it is the creed of the early Christians.


If we focused on what we agree on, rather than address blanket attacks on those we do not, the world would be a better place for it Btw catholic (small c) in the context of the nicene creed means universal, not Catholic (large C )

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all that is, seen and unseen.


We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.


For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.


On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.


We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the
Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.


We believe in one holy
catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one
baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

Most, not all Christians would agree with it..and as the spoken creed it encompasses the core doctrines.

 

[Jeff_56]

you just don't get it, do you?

the rcc hierarchy couldn't care less about JESUS. they have been actively opposed to HIM, JESUS, THE MESSIAH, ever since the abomination started around 300 a.d. give or take a couple hundred years.

they have NEVER been subject to JESUS, nor to YAHWEH(God), not ever to Scripture, nor to truth, nor have they ever, no, not ever sought the truth.

IF you do, then GOOD. (seek truth).

IF you get set free, then GOOD. Yahweh knows your heart, and He knows you better than you know yourself.

IF you remain a slave of sin, whether in or out of catholism, then not so good.

Remember, as JESUS says - you are either for Jesus or against Jesus, there is NO IN BETWEEN.

RCC catholicism is AGAINST JESUS. OPPOSED TO JESUS. DEAD. EVIL. HERESY. and always has been. no options there.

IF you realize this, and want a discussion of and from and about the BIBLE, JESUS, YAHWEH, TRUTH,

THEN GOOD - this thread is not the place for that. This site and forum has several threads for bible discussion, as long as the heresy of roman catholicism IS NOT PROMOTED. (same for mormonism, jwism, hinduism, b'hai-ism, etc etc 'ism)....

i.e. don't promote what is evil. don't promote hitler. don't promote what killed the believers since 332a.d. every year since then.

the place of what is good and honorable and true, in line with God's Word, is other threads, and so on.

not here. not 'as if' there is any good thing that can come from the abomination.

not 'as if' there is any life, or any hope, or any anything worthwhile, that can come from that which is opposed at the very core and substance to Christ Jesus.

for proof, for all the proof anyone needs, anyone seeking the truth, God permitting,
see
the links someone else provided, or internet search find them, for keith green's "the catholic chronicles" and
for charles chiniquoy's "50 years in the church of rome".

after reading those,
if you still think there is any good inside of the wicked abomination the world calls the papacy(and what christians call the whore of the whole earth),
then go to other sites where they agree with such wickedness.

 

[mikeuk]

you just don't get it, do you?

the rcc hierarchy couldn't care less about JESUS. they have been actively opposed to HIM, JESUS, THE MESSIAH, ever since the abomination started around 300 a.d. give or take a couple hundred years.

they have NEVER been subject to JESUS, nor to YAHWEH(God), not ever to Scripture, nor to truth, nor have they ever, no, not ever sought the truth.

IF you do, then GOOD. (seek truth).

IF you get set free, then GOOD. Yahweh knows your heart, and He knows you better than you know yourself.

IF you remain a slave of sin, whether in or out of catholism, then not so good.

Remember, as JESUS says - you are either for Jesus or against Jesus, there is NO IN BETWEEN.

RCC catholicism is AGAINST JESUS. OPPOSED TO JESUS. DEAD. EVIL. HERESY. and always has been. no options there.

IF you realize this, and want a discussion of and from and about the BIBLE, JESUS, YAHWEH, TRUTH,

THEN GOOD - this thread is not the place for that. This site and forum has several threads for bible discussion, as long as the heresy of roman catholicism IS NOT PROMOTED. (same for mormonism, jwism, hinduism, b'hai-ism, etc etc 'ism)....

i.e. don't promote what is evil. don't promote hitler. don't promote what killed the believers since 332a.d. every year since then.

the place of what is good and honorable and true, in line with God's Word, is other threads, and so on.

not here. not 'as if' there is any good thing that can come from the abomination.

not 'as if' there is any life, or any hope, or any anything worthwhile, that can come from that which is opposed at the very core and substance to Christ Jesus.

for proof, for all the proof anyone needs, anyone seeking the truth, God permitting,
see
the links someone else provided, or internet search find them, for keith green's "the catholic chronicles" and
for charles chiniquoy's "50 years in the church of rome".

after reading those,
if you still think there is any good inside of the wicked abomination the world calls the papacy(and what christians call the whore of the whole earth),
then go to other sites where they agree with such wickedness.

You just don't get it. Until you are willing to find out what RCC actually believes, you have no basis to challenge it, and since many of the core beliefs are the same as all christians, Focussed on Jesus, note the creed! So in criticising all RCC doctrine without exception you criticise your own.

Their are many doctrines shared with other congregations too, because of the same scriptural underpinnings, such as real presence believed to a greater or lesser extent in other communities. Neither you nor anyone else has given me an alternative reason why Jesus might have referenced Old Testament keys in talking with peter, which were clearly the symbol of an office with succession given to a single person. Why did he do that?

The books you mention are about as useful as the da Vinci code is for trying to discover the true Mary Magdalene, or as useful as Dawkins is for being objective about the gaping holes in evolutionary science, and related probabilities.

Anyway Jeff, I am hear to chat to other Christians, more interested in talking in how they live out their calling, rather than get into a sparring contest, particularly when those attacking, simply repeat unreasoned mantras rather than discuss the scriptural underpinnings. So as dragons den would say "I am out" of further discussion with you. it disappoints me reading some of the biblical threads the level of nastiness and combativity, from a lot of people whose calling is supposed to love one another, at least show some respect.

 

[Jeff_56]

what the rcc actually believes?????

RoboOp, and all the Admins, ALREADY KNOW. and have declared it heresy.

JESUS , already knows, and has declared it the mother harlot of all harlots ....

the believers who have been slaughtered, already know..... and are praying fervently for YAHWEH to EXECUTE HIS VENGEANCE on the rcc and all others with them who have slaughtered the innocent and murdered the true believers.

it has been NO SECRET for 2000 years what the rcc believes. it has always been known to Yahweh, Yahshua, and the ekkleisa.

and it is deadly. it is false. it is so much more than JUST HERESY. it is ABOMINATION.

???? respect ???? do YOU show respect to the NAZIS / HITLER's Followers, who dismember babies and wives and mothers in front of their husbands/ fathers, before dismembering after torture all of them ???

you do show respect for satan and his demons - if you permit such goings on as the rcc perpetrates every year.

or you are totally in the dark and deceived like most all the world.... "which won't repent of worshipping DEMONS" according to REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST to JOHN ..... the world RESPECTS DEMONS!!!!

IT WORSHIPS THEM.

return to God's WORD, AND give up all sin and it's influences. maybe, just maybe, God will permit repentance..... maybe, by grace in Christ Jesus Savior Messiah and Judge.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Jeff, twice you have posted unreasoned blanket attacks on RCC, my experience is people who do that know little about it.
Reality is, most of what it believes is shared by some many or all congregations of Christians. For sure there are a few issues of contention based in tradition rather than scripture, which I decline to discuss here in deference to the site owners, but take a look at the ( nicene )creed - most Christians would agree with most or all of it, because it is the creed of the early Christians.


If we focused on what we agree on, rather than address blanket attacks on those we do not, the world would be a better place for it Btw catholic (small c) in the context of the nicene creed means universal, not Catholic (large C )

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all that is, seen and unseen.


We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.


For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.


On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.


We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the
Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.


We believe in one holy
catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one
baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

Most, not all Christians would agree with it..and as the spoken creed it encompasses the core doctrines.

We Christians do believe in all that is in what you wrote here, except the part I highlighted.
This is because the catholic church was not the true church formed by the Lord, this is one of the false teachings within the catholic church as it did not even start up tell over 70 years later after the crucifixion. Before the catholic church was formed in the 2nd century (101-200 AD) there was already division in the church. The true church being made up of all believers all over the world, not a denominational name/branch. If you are a true believer in Jesus Christ as your Lord, and believe in what He did for us, rose on the third day, and continue to follow and obey all that He said; Then you are part of that true church.

 

[mikeuk]

what the rcc actually believes?????

RoboOp, and all the Admins, ALREADY KNOW. and have declared it heresy.

JESUS , already knows, and has declared it the mother harlot of all harlots ....

the believers who have been slaughtered, already know..... and are praying fervently for YAHWEH to EXECUTE HIS VENGEANCE on the rcc and all others with them who have slaughtered the innocent and murdered the true believers.

it has been NO SECRET for 2000 years what the rcc believes. it has always been known to Yahweh, Yahshua, and the ekkleisa.

and it is deadly. it is false. it is so much more than JUST HERESY. it is ABOMINATION.

???? respect ???? do YOU show respect to the NAZIS / HITLER's Followers, who dismember babies and wives and mothers in front of their husbands/ fathers, before dismembering after torture all of them ???

you do show respect for satan and his demons - if you permit such goings on as the rcc perpetrates every year.

or you are totally in the dark and deceived like most all the world.... "which won't repent of worshipping DEMONS" according to REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST to JOHN ..... the world RESPECTS DEMONS!!!!

IT WORSHIPS THEM.

return to God's WORD, AND give up all sin and it's influences. maybe, just maybe, God will permit repentance..... maybe, by grace in Christ Jesus Savior Messiah and Judge.

Jeff, such hatred , I feel sorry for you.

 

[mikeuk]

We Christians do believe in all that is in what you wrote here, except the part I highlighted.
This is because the catholic church was not the true church formed by the Lord, this is one of the false teachings within the catholic church as it did not even start up tell over 70 years later after the crucifixion. Before the catholic church was formed in the 2nd century (101-200 AD) there was already division in the church. The true church being made up of all believers all over the world, not a denominational name/branch. If you are a true believer in Jesus Christ as your Lord, and believe in what He did for us, rose on the third day, and continue to follow and obey all that He said; Then you are part of that true church.

Kenneth did you notice my note before the creed..It does not refer to RCC
" catholic (small c) in the context of the nicene creed means universal, not Catholic (large C )"
" church" in that context means a union of all Christian people.
Would have thought that was OK for you.

Sadly the church has been anything but unified, and Christ must be saddened by that.
perhaps the most vulnerable congregations to schism are those that allow individuals or pastors to decide interpretation and theology. I gather the Presbyterians even earned the nickname "split p"because of it.