Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[KenAllan]

1 John 1:6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Mattp0625, if you say you have fellowship with Jesus and walk in darkness you are a liar and the Truth is not in you! You cannot teach the Doctrines of Demons and say you walk in fellowship with God!

I walk in fellowship with God, I walk in the Light, and the Blood of Jesus Christ CLEANSES me of ALL my sins! Can you say the same thing Mattp0625? No, you cannot because you are walking in Darkness every time you preach the false Doctrines of the Catholic Church.

2 Corinthians 6:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

We are NOT to have anything to do with the Catholics because they are unbelievers, lawless, and walk in Darkness.

We are the Temple of God and God dwells in us!

How can God dwell in a Temple that teaches Mary was without sin? How can God dwell in a Temple that teaches lies from the World as Truths from God? He cannot!

You Mattp0625 do not have God indwelling in you as long as you teach the lies of the Catholic Church as Truths from God!

Ephesians 5:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP]have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

We True Christians are to expose the works of Darkness in the Catholic Church!

 

[mattp0625]

1 John 1:6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Mattp0625, if you say you have fellowship with Jesus and walk in darkness you are a liar and the Truth is not in you! You cannot teach the Doctrines of Demons and say you walk in fellowship with God!

I walk in fellowship with God, I walk in the Light, and the Blood of Jesus Christ CLEANSES me of ALL my sins! Can you say the same thing Mattp0625? No, you cannot because you are walking in Darkness every time you preach the false Doctrines of the Catholic Church.

2 Corinthians 6:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

We are NOT to have anything to do with the Catholics because they are unbelievers, lawless, and walk in Darkness.

We are the Temple of God and God dwells in us!

How can God dwell in a Temple that teaches Mary was without sin? How can God dwell in a Temple that teaches lies from the World as Truths from God? He cannot!

You Mattp0625 do not have God indwelling in you as long as you teach the lies of the Catholic Church as Truths from God!

Ephesians 5:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP]have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

We True Christians are to expose the works of Darkness in the Catholic Church!

According to the Book of KenAllan as written on the internet. In other words, friend, according to your own, personal, fallible opinions.

I am glad you have friendship with God. That, kind sir, does not make you infallible, perfect, free from error.

 

[valiant]

is that really how you speak to others?
Call no man fool...

It is what I say to people who believe the foolish doctrine of your church, and I do it on the authority of Christ. To those who twisted His word with man made traditions, He said, 'You fools and blind.' You do the same. Thus I follow in His steps.

 

[mattp0625]

It is what I say to people who believe the foolish doctrine of your church, and I do it on the authority of Christ. To those who twisted His word with man made traditions, He said, 'You fools and blind.' You do the same. Thus I follow in His steps.

Christ can call us anything since He is God. He told his servants not to say "thou fool". Sir, consider whether you are the servant or Master

 

[SAVAS]

?? so , english isn't your first language? look up and pray to GOD that he might permit you to know TRUTH.

as it is written, he has given over the heretics to believe the lie, and they won't come to know TRUTH,

unless he decides to have mercy on them and grant it to them.

as it is written, as long as you or they trust in man/ your ways/ the heresy/ he will not help you,

unless in his mercy he grants you repentance.(and then you trust him, not the abomination).

Thanks for the interpretation, of the interpretation.

 

[SAVAS]

?? so , english isn't your first language? look up and pray to GOD that he might permit you to know TRUTH.

as it is written, he has given over the heretics to believe the lie, and they won't come to know TRUTH,

unless he decides to have mercy on them and grant it to them.

as it is written, as long as you or they trust in man/ your ways/ the heresy/ he will not help you,

unless in his mercy he grants you repentance.(and then you trust him, not the abomination).

God bless you man. To funny. The way you talk to people and tell them to pray and how they don't know the truth is ironic because you seem to disrespect the Pope for seemingly the same thing. Once again I'm not even RCC, I'm just observing here.

 

[SAVAS]

It is what I say to people who believe the foolish doctrine of your church, and I do it on the authority of Christ. To those who twisted His word with man made traditions, He said, 'You fools and blind.' You do the same. Thus I follow in His steps.

Your awesome, all that authority. You should start a church, "The rectless chat roomers for Christ 1.0" then we'd have 40,001 denominations. Lets see if we can hit 50,000 by 2016!

 

[valiant]

Christ can call us anything since He is God. He told his servants not to say "thou fool". Sir, consider whether you are the servant or Master

Matthew 5 was talking of dismissing a person totally as dull, stupid or absurd. Matthew 23 distinguishes who in Christ's eyes IS A FOOL. If my Master calls something foolish then it is my responsibility to draw attention to such folly. And it is not your place to criticise the Master and His servant.

 

[Elin]

You left out "Trinity" and "sovereignty of God".

List of Man-Made Terms and Concepts Utilized by Protestants:

Age of Accountability-->a Catholic concept (age of reason)

Total Depravity of Man-->see Ro 8:7-8

Double Predestination-->can't have one without the other

Personal Lord and Saviour-->see 2Pe 1:11, 2:20, 3:18

Ask Jesus into your Heart-->See Rev 3:20, if not your heart, where do he and faith enter? (Ac 16:14; Ro 10:9-10; Eph 1:18, 5:19

The Rapture-->see the Latin Vulgate, 1Th 4:17 (raptus)

Invisible Church-->only the born again are the body of Christ, the church, do you know who they are with certainty so that the church is visible to you?

Folding your Hands, Bowing your Head-->Catholic practice

“Personal Relationship with Christ"-->see "sonship"

Enthroning the Bible in your Heart-->see Ps 19;7-11, 119:169, 171-172, 11, 24, 97-100, 102-103, 147-148

“Covered with the righteousness of Christ"-->see Is 61:10 with Ro 5:17, 19b

Imputed righteousness-->see Ro 5:17, 19b

Altar Call-->"sitting in a pew" is also not in the Bible

Dedication; Rededication-->"repentance," see 2Co 2:6-10

“Giving your Life to the Lord"-->see Mk 10:21

Inerrancy-->see 2Tim 3:16

Eternal Security-->see Php 1:6; Heb 10:14; Ro 8:38; 1Th 5:24; Heb 6:16-20; 1Pe 1:3-5; 2Pe 1:10

“Once saved, always saved"--see "eternal security"

Faith alone-->saved by grace alone, not by works, through faith (Eph 2:8-9)

Sola Scriptura-->see 2Tim 3:16 "perfect, thoroughly equipped for every good work"

Devotions-->Catholic practice

Wedding rings-->Catholic practice

You are uninformed.

Friend, I am Ok with the insult, however you just proved these are Protestant interpretations of the bible.

None of the listed phrases or words are in the bible - only the man-made interpretations. An interpretation is a man-made opinion. Protestant opinion is not infallible. Protestant opinion does not equate to scripture.

Kind friend, you cannot claim to have infallible, yet man-made interpretations which are opinions. Further, you cannot then use man-made fallible opinions to claim heresies of others. Unless, friend, you are claiming to be perfect and free from error.

To have any merit, your assertion that these interpretations are non-Biblical must be demonstrated
by you.

Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

 

[SAVAS]

Matthew 5 was talking of dismissing a person totally as dull, stupid or absurd. Matthew 23 distinguishes who in Christ's eyes IS A FOOL. If my Master calls something foolish then it is my responsibility to draw attention to such folly. And it is not your place to criticise the Master and His servant.

That is a remarkable interpretation valiant. Anyone else have a different interpretation on how that makes you feel (at a "bible study" see's everyone's hand raise) uhhh. ok

 

[valiant]

Your awesome, all that authority. You should start a church, "The rectless chat roomers for Christ 1.0" then we'd have 40,001 denominations. Lets see if we can hit 50,000 by 2016!

If I start a church it will be in order for it to be honest with the Scriptures. If that requires a new denomination so be it. But to me denominations mean nothing. What matters is whether men and women truly know Christ as Saviour and love Him as LORD. Their denominational label is irrelevant. Of course I know you Americans take everything to excess. We have few denominations here and they are bound together by inter-denominational fellowships. We are not at loggerheads with each other..

The question is not, are you in the right church? The question is, are you in Christ?

 

[mattp0625]

To have any merit, your assertion that these interpretations are non-Biblical must be demonstrated
by you.

Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

Friend, I am merely saying these are man-made interpretations. And man is not infallible. If you are saying man is perfect and free from error, please make that known. Thank you.

 

[Elin]

To have any merit,
your assertion that these interpretations are non-Biblical must be demonstrated by you.

Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

Friend, I am merely saying these are man-made interpretations. And man is not infallible.
If you are saying man is perfect and free from error, please make that known. Thank you.

What I am saying is most clear.

Pony up. . .or your assertion is without merit.

 

[mattp0625]

What I am saying is most clear.

Pony up. . .or your assertion is without merit.

Ok- not a problem. Show me the age of accountability in the bible. Is it 12? 18? 21? Chapter and verse please.

 

[kenthomas27]

If I start a church it will be in order for it to be honest with the Scriptures. If that requires a new denomination so be it. But to me denominations mean nothing. What matters is whether men and women truly know Christ as Saviour and love Him as LORD. Their denominational label is irrelevant. Of course I know you Americans take everything to excess. We have few denominations here and they are bound together by inter-denominational fellowships. We are not at loggerheads with each other..

The question is not, are you in the right church? The question is, are you in Christ?

Yep, no loggerheads there...

 

[Jackson123]

Sorry friend, need more info than those few sentences. I do know Muslims acknowledge Jesus but don't agree he is Son of God. Again, maybe he was looking to be inclusive rather than issuing condemnation.

the Protestant "bible based" faith relies on man-made opinions more than anyone while claiming to be pure. Kind sir, please show me any of the listed man-made terms in the bible. Then, sir, if you will, please show me your authority for creating these man-made terms and your fallible interpretations. Unfortunately, sir, the fallible opinions of Luther and Calvin do not equate to scripture.

OK brother, I copy one more time in the dogmatic constitution on the Church, II/16/126.

In your opinion, what that sentence mean?

Let do it in detail.

1. What is the word salvation in that sentence mean, go to heaven or earthly salvation?

2. Is Muslim in that sentence mean not catholic?

3. If Muslim/non catholic save than what about the doctrine no salvation outside the only true and apostolic Church./RCC.



DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
[SIZE=+1]LUMEN GENTIUM[/SIZE]
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128)

 

[mattp0625]

What I am saying is most clear.

Pony up. . .or your assertion is without merit.

Next, if you kindly will, show me the words "scripture alone". I believe it does say scripture is the Word and it is profitable (actual words in bible). Now chapter and verse- scripture alone. Thank you.

 

[Elin]

You left out "Trinity" and "sovereignty of God".

List of Man-Made Terms and Concepts Utilized by Protestants:

Age of Accountability-->a Catholic concept (age of reason)

Total Depravity of Man-->see Ro 8:7-8

Double Predestination-->can't have one without the other

Personal Lord and Saviour-->see 2Pe 1:11, 2:20, 3:18

Ask Jesus into your Heart-->See Rev 3:20, if not your heart, where do he and faith enter? (Ac 16:14; Ro 10:9-10; Eph 1:18, 5:19

The Rapture-->see the Latin Vulgate, 1Th 4:17 (raptus)

Invisible Church-->only the born again are the body of Christ, the church, do you know who they are with certainty so that the church is visible to you?

Folding your Hands, Bowing your Head-->Catholic practice

“Personal Relationship with Christ"-->see "sonship"

Enthroning the Bible in your Heart-->see Ps 19;7-11, 119:169, 171-172, 11, 24, 97-100, 102-103, 147-148

“Covered with the righteousness of Christ"-->see Is 61:10 with Ro 5:17, 19b

Imputed righteousness-->see Ro 5:17, 19b

Altar Call-->"sitting in a pew" is also not in the Bible

Dedication; Rededication-->"repentance," see 2Co 2:6-10

“Giving your Life to the Lord"-->see Mk 10:21

Inerrancy-->see 2Tim 3:16

Eternal Security-->see Php 1:6; Heb 10:14; Ro 8:38; 1Th 5:24; Heb 6:16-20; 1Pe 1:3-5; 2Pe 1:10

“Once saved, always saved"--see "eternal security"

Faith alone-->saved by grace alone, not by works, through faith (Eph 2:8-9)

Sola Scriptura-->see 2Tim 3:16 "perfect, thoroughly equipped for every good work"

Devotions-->Catholic practice

Wedding rings-->Catholic practice

You are uninformed.

Pony up. . .or your assertion that these interpretation are non-Biblical is without merit.

Ok- not a problem. Show me the age of accountability in the bible. Is it 12? 18? 21? Chapter and verse please.

You made my point very well.

That concept is from the Catholic Church's "age of reason," not from the Bible.

 

[mattp0625]

You made my point very well.

That concept is from the Catholic Church's "age of reason," not from the Bible.

I do not accept sola scriptura. That is a Protestant opinion not Catholic.

i await for the locations requested. Not interpretations- the actual words out of the bible

 

[Elin]

Next, if you kindly will, show me the words "scripture alone". I believe it does say scripture is the Word and it is profitable (actual words in bible). Now chapter and verse- scripture alone. Thank you.

You have not demonstrated where "Sola Scriptura" is an erroneous interpretation of the Scripture presented.