Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Originally Posted by valiant
easy John 20.20-22; Acts 2.1 ff.
I am not a Protestant. Why should I protest about an heretical church which is so unbiblical? I was never a member of it.
I am a Biblical Christian, like Paul, and Peter, and all the Apostles, and the Ephesians, and the early Romans before the church got arrogant.
My line goes right back to the Apostles. First they became Biblical Christians, then they won others, then they won others, then they won others until at last they won me. I do not need spurious lists which are fabrications. God can trace my line back to the beginning.
M
Sir, I know you have stated you are more favored than Mary, and you have the authority to condemn, and the ability to say thou fool without obtaining Jesus's wrath, and that your interpretation of scripture is infallible and directly from God. Surely you don't mean to say you have lineage to Christ too?
you are clearly unaware of the truth about church history. The church Christ founded was a group of independent churches around the world who looked to the Apostles. When the Apostles died they looked to their local leaders and the Scriptures. There was no hierarchical church for hundreds of years. The main body of the New Testament was settled almost from the beginning on the basis of known Apostolic writings so that in the second century AD all the independent churches recognised the four Gospels, the Acts, Paul's letters, Peter (at least1 Peter), John (at least 1 John), Jude and Revelation. They did not need a church council to decide it. The only question raised later was as to whether the remainder were genuine Apostolic writings because they were only used by some. It was decided on historical fact not by some 'inspired' council.
None of the large denominations existed in those days. The Roman Catholics would not be founded until around 700 AD and that by political might. Prior to that it was a regional church. The Orthodox churches in the east were still coming together. In 5th century AD the Celtic churches in the West, in and around the UK were their own denomination loosely affiliated together. They were not part of the church of Rome.
This myth about one large hierarchical Roman Catholic church is just that, a myth invented by the Roman Catholic church.
LOL to canonise means to make a list. The lists were made by groups of independent churches not by the RC church.
None of the large denominations existed in those days. The Roman Catholics would not be founded until around 700 AD and that by political might. Prior to that it was a regional church. The Orthodox churches in the east were still coming together. In 5th century AD the Celtic churches in the West, in and around the UK were their own denomination loosely affiliated together. They were not part of the church of Rome.
This myth about one large hierarchical Roman Catholic church is just that, a myth invented by the Roman Catholic church.
LOL to canonise means to make a list. The lists were made by groups of independent churches not by the RC church.
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Elin,
Yes, both Protestants and RCC have different meanings of terminology not found in Sacred Scripture, but to completely disregard RCC who actually have been practicing Christianity for over 1,000 years is not logical. To say RCC and its practice in worship has not merit, you disclaim most of scripture itself.
I can see the attitude towards the Pope as somewhat valid, but the hated contention of other traditions and secondary issues is erroneous.
Yes, both Protestants and RCC have different meanings of terminology not found in Sacred Scripture, but to completely disregard RCC who actually have been practicing Christianity for over 1,000 years is not logical. To say RCC and its practice in worship has not merit, you disclaim most of scripture itself.
I can see the attitude towards the Pope as somewhat valid, but the hated contention of other traditions and secondary issues is erroneous.
And I know that this unquestionably demonstrates that you are a liar. Anyone who checks back my posts will discover that immediately. Like your church all through the centuries you use slurs and defamation to attack those whom you cannot answer by fair means. I call on God to judge between me and you and punish you accordingly. You'd better go running to Mary LOL
M
Peter was the leader of the 11 apostles and the larger 120 disciples as shown in Acts. Peter, in his Epistle, mentions he was with his son Mark. History and the bible also puts Mark in Rome. Various historians such as Tertullian put Peter in Rome
Paul met Jesus at Damascus, converged with Apostles, and ended up in Rome too.
Lastly, there is a list of popes dating back to Peter. Peter dies 67 AD. College of cardinals created a little over 30 years later.
Paul met Jesus at Damascus, converged with Apostles, and ended up in Rome too.
Lastly, there is a list of popes dating back to Peter. Peter dies 67 AD. College of cardinals created a little over 30 years later.
May I suggest that you go to Wikipedia and study the lives of the popes from 700 AD to 1500 AD. If you approve of their practises then it will be you who stands condemned. Murder, piracy, adultery, kidnapping, greed, appointment of babies as Archbishops so as to get hold of wealth, you name it they did it. Trace their practice of having monastery and nunnery close to each other with ground alongside for burying the innocent babies in. Such a church can only be treated with contempt. It has no spiritual value.
What had spiritual value were the lives of men who in spite of this evil church still managed to love and believe in Christ. The church they belonged to made it very difficult.
What had spiritual value were the lives of men who in spite of this evil church still managed to love and believe in Christ. The church they belonged to made it very difficult.
There wasn't Christianity around the world, even after the Apostle died. There was a hierarchy formed, have you ever heard of St. Ignatius of Antioch? here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
Writings were going around, mostly by oral tradition but a scripture were finally canonized or listed.
The Orthodox Churches were still coming together? huh? You mean Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem and Antioch? They have never been separated.
I never said anything about the RCC hierarchy being valid either, quite the contrary. Its close, and does have extensive roots in Christianity though.
Writings were going around, mostly by oral tradition but a scripture were finally canonized or listed.
The Orthodox Churches were still coming together? huh? You mean Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem and Antioch? They have never been separated.
I never said anything about the RCC hierarchy being valid either, quite the contrary. Its close, and does have extensive roots in Christianity though.
M
One modification regarding the cardinals:
And of Evaristus (99-107?): "Hic titulos in urbe Româ dividit presbyteris et VII diaconos ordinavit qui custodirent episcopum prædicantem, propter stilum veritatis" (op. cit., I, 126), i.e., he divided among the priests the "titles" of the city of Rome, and ordained seven deacons to bear witness to the preaching of the bishop
Then...
Fabian (236-250): "Hic regiones dividit diaconibus et fecit VII subdiaconos, qui VII notariis immiterent, ut gestas martyrum in integro fideliter colligerent, et multas fabricas per cymeteria fieri præcipit" (op. cit., I, 148), i.e., he divided the "regions" among the deacons and created seven subdeacons whom he placed over the notaries
Thereby:
These regionary deacons were wont to subscribe the acts of Roman synods and other documents as diaconi ecclesiæ Romanæ, or deacons of the Roman Church, sometimes, probably, adding their proper region. Thereby also were expressed the fixity of their relations to the church of the Bishop of Rome and their obligation to assist him at liturgical functions. It was natural enough, therefore, that the term cardinales should very soon be applied to these regionary deacons (diaconi cardinals)
And of Evaristus (99-107?): "Hic titulos in urbe Româ dividit presbyteris et VII diaconos ordinavit qui custodirent episcopum prædicantem, propter stilum veritatis" (op. cit., I, 126), i.e., he divided among the priests the "titles" of the city of Rome, and ordained seven deacons to bear witness to the preaching of the bishop
Then...
Fabian (236-250): "Hic regiones dividit diaconibus et fecit VII subdiaconos, qui VII notariis immiterent, ut gestas martyrum in integro fideliter colligerent, et multas fabricas per cymeteria fieri præcipit" (op. cit., I, 148), i.e., he divided the "regions" among the deacons and created seven subdeacons whom he placed over the notaries
Thereby:
These regionary deacons were wont to subscribe the acts of Roman synods and other documents as diaconi ecclesiæ Romanæ, or deacons of the Roman Church, sometimes, probably, adding their proper region. Thereby also were expressed the fixity of their relations to the church of the Bishop of Rome and their obligation to assist him at liturgical functions. It was natural enough, therefore, that the term cardinales should very soon be applied to these regionary deacons (diaconi cardinals)
W
If we repent and abide in Christ, the Holy Spirit will guide and teach us while we seek truth. We are all called to be priests on to God through Christ.
Most do not seem to abide in Christ or seek truth for themselves. Which are the two biggest causes of all the sects and deception in my opinion. That and wicked men who purposely desire to lead others astray for their own evil gain
Most do not seem to abide in Christ or seek truth for themselves. Which are the two biggest causes of all the sects and deception in my opinion. That and wicked men who purposely desire to lead others astray for their own evil gain