Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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If Mary was sinless, then there would be no reason for Jesus to come. The essential issue was without Jesus, and us understanding and walking in his love, we will always stumble into sin and not know the darkness we are walking in,would not exist. But the problem is simply how can a sinless person be born to someone who is sinful.
Because the nature of sin is not the flesh, or knowledge or understanding, it is shutting God out through lack of communion, or open relationship with Him. The only person recorded who was born into this relationship was John the Baptist.
As Jesus was God, he was born in fellowship with the Father, but the holder, ie his mother did not make him unclean or sinful.
But if you follow the idea that position of things makes things unclean or not, then ceremonies etc can cleanse you, like confession, the eucarist etc. which to me is a miss-understanding of holiness and purity of the heart. Now there is a real sense of contamination with illness, with certain foods, with not washing your hands but this is not spiritual contamination.
It is what the pharisees got wrong, which the RC church repeats.
Because the nature of sin is not the flesh, or knowledge or understanding, it is shutting God out through lack of communion, or open relationship with Him. The only person recorded who was born into this relationship was John the Baptist.
As Jesus was God, he was born in fellowship with the Father, but the holder, ie his mother did not make him unclean or sinful.
But if you follow the idea that position of things makes things unclean or not, then ceremonies etc can cleanse you, like confession, the eucarist etc. which to me is a miss-understanding of holiness and purity of the heart. Now there is a real sense of contamination with illness, with certain foods, with not washing your hands but this is not spiritual contamination.
It is what the pharisees got wrong, which the RC church repeats.
The Catholics look to what Mary has done not to what God has done. Its all about Mary and her being equal or greater then God.
By the Catholics teaching that God could not keep Jesus Sinless shows they have very little Faith in God. By the Catholics teaching only Mary could keep Jesus sinless shows the Catholics have more faith in Mary then in God. Therefore one has to conclude that the main god of the Catholics is Mary.
By the Catholics teaching that God could not keep Jesus Sinless shows they have very little Faith in God. By the Catholics teaching only Mary could keep Jesus sinless shows the Catholics have more faith in Mary then in God. Therefore one has to conclude that the main god of the Catholics is Mary.
Really people I mean really...what do you expect from the RCC??? They are unregenerate people so you ought to expect them to produce fruit as such. It does no good to rub their noses in the open and evident sin of the hierarchy of the RCC. We are not called to point out sin but to testify of the saving grace of God.
You cannot win an argument with religious people by accusing them of sin. They know they are sinning but allow God to convict them through the declaration of Gods word and the ministering of the Holy Spirit. Convict them by living your life close to God and showing forth the purity and holiness that God has placed within you. Demonstrate the virtue of Christ in humility not by ugly arguments that only sully both parties. Plant the word of God not spurious arguments into the hearts of those enslaved by the RCC and it's doctrines of darkness. Trust God Who saved you to save them through drawing them to Christ. God alone is able to save. God has shown you the glorious gospel through His word and made efficacious through the power of His Holy Spirit not through repetitive arguments over debatable doctrines.
We are saved by grace through faith according to Ephesians 2:9-10. Gods grace makes us righteous in Christ by imputation according to 2 Corinthians 5:21. Those who are saved will live as new creatures in Christ according to 2 Corinthians 5:17. God gives evidence that He has saved those who have place their trust in Christ according to the bible. The Holy Spirit is the earnest of our salvation. 2 Corinthians 5:1-8 verse seven "we walk by faith not by sight".
I'm tired of reading all the garbage some of you are posting regarding the RCC. True or not is will not persuade any to turn to Christ. You must lift up Jesus not thrown down the things that are already down. When a soul looks up to Christ he or she will know how low they really are and then they will see their need of Christ not just cleaning up what they have.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You cannot win an argument with religious people by accusing them of sin. They know they are sinning but allow God to convict them through the declaration of Gods word and the ministering of the Holy Spirit. Convict them by living your life close to God and showing forth the purity and holiness that God has placed within you. Demonstrate the virtue of Christ in humility not by ugly arguments that only sully both parties. Plant the word of God not spurious arguments into the hearts of those enslaved by the RCC and it's doctrines of darkness. Trust God Who saved you to save them through drawing them to Christ. God alone is able to save. God has shown you the glorious gospel through His word and made efficacious through the power of His Holy Spirit not through repetitive arguments over debatable doctrines.
We are saved by grace through faith according to Ephesians 2:9-10. Gods grace makes us righteous in Christ by imputation according to 2 Corinthians 5:21. Those who are saved will live as new creatures in Christ according to 2 Corinthians 5:17. God gives evidence that He has saved those who have place their trust in Christ according to the bible. The Holy Spirit is the earnest of our salvation. 2 Corinthians 5:1-8 verse seven "we walk by faith not by sight".
I'm tired of reading all the garbage some of you are posting regarding the RCC. True or not is will not persuade any to turn to Christ. You must lift up Jesus not thrown down the things that are already down. When a soul looks up to Christ he or she will know how low they really are and then they will see their need of Christ not just cleaning up what they have.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The whole point of appointing elders was that it would be THEY who led each independent church. There is no suggestion that Titus then had authority over them. He would of course teach and advise. But he would not detract from their authority. Indeed it had to be so. There was no way in which anyone could watch over all the churches. Communications were too difficult. Even with the Corinthians Paul recognised that what they did was finally their choice, even though he sought to influence them in that choice.
Yes, they are unregenerate. It's a false church that has sent countless souls to Hell. While marginalizing Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, negating God's grace with the false doctrine that is purgatory, led billions to idol worship, worship of the dead, necromancy, and their body parts, (Relics), while making the smallest sovereign nation on earth and its "infallible" dictator beyond billionaires as an entity in itself. Think, 'Vatican Bank'.
While in union with evil in their history that includes Adolph Hitler whom Pope Pius II did not excommunicate but, as an antisemitic himself, enabled. Along with all Nazi Catholics at the time. Just one of the abominations the RCC stood behind or sponsored in their own (rite) in the history of that institution.
And that's why it is important to at least speak truth in Christ. So that someone among them may be led to hear the calling of Jesus Christ.
His sheep hear his voice. I pray those sheep who are on the fallen road hear him soon and leave the RCC and find their way to Christ.
Amen. Let the church say together, Amen!
While in union with evil in their history that includes Adolph Hitler whom Pope Pius II did not excommunicate but, as an antisemitic himself, enabled. Along with all Nazi Catholics at the time. Just one of the abominations the RCC stood behind or sponsored in their own (rite) in the history of that institution.
And that's why it is important to at least speak truth in Christ. So that someone among them may be led to hear the calling of Jesus Christ.
His sheep hear his voice. I pray those sheep who are on the fallen road hear him soon and leave the RCC and find their way to Christ.
Amen. Let the church say together, Amen!
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Acts 6:1-8 the apostles used a fairly democratic methodology to appoint men to minister in the church. Is there any reason to think that Titus was appointing men in the churches by any other method? The local assemblies presenting men they felt worthy and with prayer anointing them in the assemblies to lead and teach?
Is not the Lord in charge of all that takes place in the church?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Is not the Lord in charge of all that takes place in the church?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The early church were not religious in the way RCC is today. Everything was practical seeing ministries and responsibilities being exercised and recognised. What I find hard to see is how fluid this is, a fundemental faith of love and peace, became this dogmatic, violent, dictatorial dictatorship which the church finally emerged as.
I suppose the problem is simple, how do you decide what is authoritive and what is not, and how do you excommunicate those who fall into heresy. Once you get more power centric, with a priesthood and the laity, you then have something to defend. You then like here, start to say those who oppose your point of view are "satanic", therefore worthy of death, which given the right power you carry out. Dare I say it, but the prodigal son approach of letting people go their own way, but distinguishing yourself as a believing community did not appear high on the agenda.
What I find interesting is how many high church people through communion say they put Jesus at the centre of their faith, where as it is more like a lucky charm or medicine you take to cleanse you before the next set of sins you fall into.
The picture of Jesus turning on the light so you do not hurt yourself is not there. Ofcourse walking in the light of Jesus love is thinking about the cross every moment, but this is a confirmation of a heart change, not a ceremony that cleans a dirty vessel. How can you tell when you hurt someone else? Because a book of law tells you. Well then it is too late, and you have lost the relationships you thought you had.
My heart always gets broken when talking to catholics, for though we love the same Lord, so much is distorted, it is hard to not think they are slaves to their condition without any cure.
I suppose the problem is simple, how do you decide what is authoritive and what is not, and how do you excommunicate those who fall into heresy. Once you get more power centric, with a priesthood and the laity, you then have something to defend. You then like here, start to say those who oppose your point of view are "satanic", therefore worthy of death, which given the right power you carry out. Dare I say it, but the prodigal son approach of letting people go their own way, but distinguishing yourself as a believing community did not appear high on the agenda.
What I find interesting is how many high church people through communion say they put Jesus at the centre of their faith, where as it is more like a lucky charm or medicine you take to cleanse you before the next set of sins you fall into.
The picture of Jesus turning on the light so you do not hurt yourself is not there. Ofcourse walking in the light of Jesus love is thinking about the cross every moment, but this is a confirmation of a heart change, not a ceremony that cleans a dirty vessel. How can you tell when you hurt someone else? Because a book of law tells you. Well then it is too late, and you have lost the relationships you thought you had.
My heart always gets broken when talking to catholics, for though we love the same Lord, so much is distorted, it is hard to not think they are slaves to their condition without any cure.
The early church was indeed catholic. But in the way described by the scriptures. A universal body of those faithful to God, and the teachings of Christ.
The RCC was established over 300 years after Jesus birth so as to make a pagan institution of Christ's teachings and manufacture a patriarchal theological dictatorship having a monarchical governance in power over the word of God and for material gain and conquest of the institution itself.
Jesus did not found the RCC.
But isn't it a fascinating history? The Sanhedrin sought to kill God/Jesus, Rome did kill Jesus. And a little over 300 years later that same Caesarian authority helped to create an institutional church dedicated to the man they murdered.
The RCC was established over 300 years after Jesus birth so as to make a pagan institution of Christ's teachings and manufacture a patriarchal theological dictatorship having a monarchical governance in power over the word of God and for material gain and conquest of the institution itself.
Jesus did not found the RCC.
But isn't it a fascinating history? The Sanhedrin sought to kill God/Jesus, Rome did kill Jesus. And a little over 300 years later that same Caesarian authority helped to create an institutional church dedicated to the man they murdered.
well you have a strange idea of clear LOL the context makes clear that he was not speaking of an authority which meant they had to do his bidding. Paul had a general authority from God to provide the church with God's revelation and to build up churches. He had no direct authority over individual churches. Note verse 1. 'I entreat you ---.' That does not sound like someone exerting their authority. And later in the passage he says, 'not that we venture to class or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves.' And if anyone had the right to such authority it was Paul. He founded the church at Corinth. But he still recognised its right to go its own way under God.
Note 8.8. 'I do not say this as a command'. Indeed all Paul's arguments reveal that he realises that he has to 'persuade' them
In 2 Corinthians 11 Paul makes it very clear they will be those who try to deceive us into believing they are children of God.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Beware of the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
Romans 8:1-11
[SUP]1 [/SUP] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Its interesting that Paul says we are in the Spirit if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Not everyone who says they are a Christian has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Beware of the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
Romans 8:1-11
[SUP]1 [/SUP] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Its interesting that Paul says we are in the Spirit if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Not everyone who says they are a Christian has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Clearly the Holy Spirit says there will be those who do not walk with God who will try to deceive us into believing they are brothers in Christ. This is the Catholics who are trying to do. They do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Its only those who have the Indwelling of the Spirit that are the true children of God.
You said the nature of sin i no communion with God? Sir, Mary was in constant communion with the Father especially during her pregnancy and in raising our Lord and Savior. She wad with Him everywhere He went all the way to the foot of the Cross! Don't tell me she was not in comminion with God the Almighty !!!