And you are another brainwashed, willing to follow a MAN MADE organization instead of Jesus, deceived by lies, Holy Spirit lacking, God hating, man loving,
unable to identify yourself aside from your organization (or church <-- small "c" too BTW) lost soul that doesn't know the REAL Jesus. And you're just one of those anti-Christ RCC propagandist. You bash us at least as much if not more than "we" do you. What makes you any better than you accuse "us" of being?
Wow!!! why all the anger, not very Christian like accusing me with all theses accusations, if you don't mind me saying. Then you go on to say ....."You don’t know me, and I don’t know you either,(but you make it sound as if you do) but I would really love to get to know you better. I’d really love to hear how Jesus brought you in and regenerated you, reconciling your soul to the Fathers. I would love to hear about the changes in your life after this SUPERNATURAL event took place and what led up to it."
*What am I suppose to make of that?
I am also more than willing to share my testimony, you know the thing He arms us believers with (as mentioned in Luke 8:39, Revelation 12:11, Psalm 119:46, Titus 3:3-7, 2 Timothy 1:8-9, 1 Corinthians 2:1-5 and many others), with you anytime.
* Sure.... anytime.
It’s posted here for anyone to read, and I KNOW Jesus, and I was saved by Him without a doubt, as is confirmed by the
complete and total change in my life, behavior, and heart and can be affirmed by those around me, and I didn’t need the RCC to get it.
Good to know.
If this is true (and I can assure you it is as can many others) what does anyone need the RCC’s "authority" for? Really?
Well my friend, let me put it to ya this way, it is apparent from Scripture alone that Jesus Christ founded a
visible Church, gave its leaders completely authority on earth over all Christians, and promised that this Church would endure until the end of time. Since it would endure until the end of time there must have been a method to propagate its authority, and this is in fact illustrated by the New Testament as well: sacramental ordination of priests and bishops maintaining the line of apostolic succession.
A visible, hierarchal Church - must still exist today. If it does not than Christ was wrong - period. And there is only one Church that even
claims to be the very specific, visible, hierarchal Church that Christ founded: the Catholic Church. The historical record demonstrates the unbroken line of authority from the first pontiff in Rome, Peter, to the current one, and also demonstrates very thoroughly that the teachings and practice of the early Church were identical in all crucial ways to current Catholic teaching (however surprising and shocking this notion may be to most Protestants/non-Catholics).
So you see Jimbo, it should be apparent that there is a need for authority and authoritative teaching in the life of Christians, and that it would thus be very strange if God did not provide this. The Old Covenant Jews had their source of living authority - the interpreters of the Torah, the Pharisees. (The uniformed might claim that Christ put down the Pharisees. But, of course, he rebuked some of them for their hypocrisy while making it clear that the Jews were bound to obey them:
The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you. That is, they carry Moses' authority - this "Seat of Moses" being an oral teaching of the Jews not found in any Scripture.)
The Jews needed a living authority partially because the Torah could not possibly address every single practical question in the life of every Jew - any more than the Bible addresses directly every practical issue of today. If it did, we wouldn't have Christians who could challenge the most basic moral laws that have been part of Tradition since apostolic times. What it comes down too, without a visible, hierarchal Church, your going to have the problems that Protestantism has today. Thousands of differnt sects, with thousands of differnt interpretations of Scripture, all claiming to be under the insperatin of the Holy Spirit. How do you know whom is correct, and who is not?
See the real difference here is that you identify as a "RCC member" that is what you are, you need the church to be saved, I only need Jesus Christ and He is my final authority (and everyone else’s too even if they don’t acknowledge it) not and MAN or group of MEN.
We’ve all heard the statement "no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church." Well, you have to understand that in a very important way. If someone knew and understood that the Catholic Church was indeed established by Jesus and that it was the one true Church and, in spite of that knowledge, still rejected the grace to be baptized and to enter the Church, that person is rejecting Jesus’ command and grace (
Catechism of the Catholic Church, #846). Remember, it is the person who is rejecting Jesus, not Jesus rejecting that person. Jesus died for that person too.
But the
Catechism of the Catholic Church (
CCC) hastens to say that "this affirmation is not aimed at those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ or his Church." It says that those "who do not know but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and moved by grace try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation" (
CCC, #847). That statement draws a much bigger circle of those saved than some people think there should be. Thank God it is his judgment, not ours.
This statement is very broad for two important reasons: 1) God wants everyone saved (Jn 3:17). 2) Jesus died for every person without exception. He died for sinners (1 Tim 2:4 ). So no person—and not even the Church on earth—can begin to separate those saved from those not saved without placing restrictions on God’s universal will for the salvation of all his children. That is why God alone is the judge as to eternal salvation. That is why the Church will canonize saints but will never declare any specific person to be in hell. Many people can make a list of individuals they think should be eternally damned, but no person on earth can make that judgment. We just don’t know. Only God knows.
It is important to realize that the Church is the Body of Christ and that body and all who seek God, even without the advantage of knowing the true Church, are related to that body in a special way. God does not demand the impossible. People can only do what they are able to in the circumstances of their lives. As important and wonderful as it is to be graced with faith in the Church established by Jesus, human circumstances often simply make this impossible for every living human.
LOL you have to love the anti-RCC accusations, I am not on a RCC site, you are on a "protestant" (I actually hate that label) site, so who is attacking who here?
Not attacking at all..... just refuting the fallices of Catholicism. And as far as the "label" you speak of, let me ask you this. Do you follow the beliefs of John Calvin, or Martin Luther, or any other, early Protestant reformer? If so, you are protesting the Catholic Church by your actions, or your lack of actions and by your beliefs and by rejecting those Christian truths found in Catholicism... the Church that preceded all other Protestant denominations. So by doing so.... you are a Protestant, plain and simple.
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.
