Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Budman

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"Mormonism, or any other religion that is damning souls!" says Budman.

The Mormons are not damning souls. They believe in more scripture and one or more prophets but it is another Church of Jesus Christ. I was a Mormon. They are going above and beyond what they have to by believing a false prophet. They only pray to Our Father in Heaven and no one else, and in the name of Jesus Christ. If they are going to Hell then we all are.

How can God condemn us for choking on the milk he gave us?

The "father" they are praying to was once a man who "attained" godhood. They teach all mormons will become gods with their own planets to rule, while having spirit babies with their goddess wives.

They also teach Jesus and Satan are brothers.

They aren't even close to being Christians, and are, in fact, lost and on their way to hell.
 
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JoelG

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How can a Catholic be a True Christian when Mary is their God?

I totally believe the Catholics have been deceived by the Catholic Church and are in need of the Truth that is in the Scriptures.

What about the Statues of Mary in the Catholic Church JoelG? We have seen pictures of Pope John Paul II bowing down to Statues of Mary and praying to the Statues.

This is Idolatry JoelG.

Mormons are not Christians JoelG. They ARE a Cult that refuses to follow the real Jesus Christ.

Could it be JoelG that you are not a True Christian but a Wolf in Sheep Clothing? Trying to deceive the very Elect from God?
Catholics do not believe that Mary is a God, You pulled that one out of a hat. If you know everything, then maybe you are a prophet and we should follow you. I still say that Christmas is an abomination to God. Can I then say that Santa Claus is your God. Do you teach your kids this garbage. I bet if I walked your house I could find several items that could be considered idol worship.

I say we are all a little confused. I am anyway. How many hundred years has the Catholic been the only source for Christianity. So you believe this is just a dumping ground for heathens. Year after year, damning souls by the millions. What a great plan of salvation. That wasn't so hard for the devil now was it.

I not a wolf. I am not working for the devil. But, I was a Mormon once. I think they are false. But, I don't think that God is going to send 6 million of them to Hell for not being aware of false prophets.

Does God have us in a maze like rats trying to get to the exit on the other side. With mine fields and trap doors and wrong ways. Well I will not pass then. I know that Mormons pray to God in the name of Jesus. The same God you believe in.

So, if you are a prophet let the world know. By the way what church do you belong to , cause I can tear that one apart too. Just like you do to the Catholics. You want to group the Mormons with Catholics now. So what does that make now, 50 million people going to hell for being in the wrong church. If that is the kind, generous God you believe in then you can have it. My mom was a Catholic before she died, and if God sent her to Hell I want to go to. It is a very narrow path and very few will find it. Do you Kenny walk the walk 100%?

I can pick apart any church you mention. There is no true church on earth. They are all partially true. And, faith by no means comes easy. I don't care if you read the bible 24/7 you will still not understand it 100%. And, if that is not true we would not be bickering it would just be cut and dry, Mr. Kenny
 
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KennethC

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Exactly right as Christianity existed for 1 1/2 centuries before the term catholic was even used, and even at that time it was only used by its universal meaning that all nationalities can become believers in Christ.

It was never used as an actual denominational term for the first couple centuries, and nowhere does anything in God's word say you have to be Catholic to go to heaven like they have tried to say for many of years !!!
 
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JoelG

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Ok, Magenta. What church should we go to? Do you rely on others to read the bible for you are does it just come natural. Who do you think put the Old and New testament in the nice little package we call the Holy bible? Right or wrong the Catholics were the forerunners for Christianity in the modern world. If you say wrong, then who was?
 
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JoelG

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Ok, Magenta. What church should we go to? Do you rely on others to read the bible for you are does it just come natural. Who do you think put the Old and New testament in the nice little package we call the Holy bible? Right or wrong the Catholics were the forerunners for Christianity in the modern world. If you say wrong, then who was?
Yea, well where are they now. I think churches are like cars, different names, run different but all will get you there. And, that's all we now for sure. Are you a hard nose Puritan?
 

Budman

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I was a Mormon once. I think they are false. But, I don't think that God is going to send 6 million of them to Hell for not being aware of false prophets.

They're going to hell for believing in a false Christ.


Oh, and by your reasoning, God wouldn't send billions of muslims to hell either.


Seriously, have you ever even read the Bible?
 

Magenta

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Ok, Magenta. What church should we go to? Do you rely on others to read the bible for you are does it just come natural. Who do you think put the Old and New testament in the nice little package we call the Holy bible? Right or wrong the Catholics were the forerunners for Christianity in the modern world. If you say wrong, then who was?
Jesus Christ.
 

Budman

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Yea, well where are they now. I think churches are like cars, different names, run different but all will get you there. And, that's all we now for sure. Are you a hard nose Puritan?

All roads don't lead to Cleveland, nor do all churches lead to heaven.
 
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Catholics do not believe that Mary is a God, You pulled that one out of a hat. If you know everything, then maybe you are a prophet and we should follow you. I still say that Christmas is an abomination to God. Can I then say that Santa Claus is your God. Do you teach your kids this garbage. I bet if I walked your house I could find several items that could be considered idol worship.

I say we are all a little confused. I am anyway. How many hundred years has the Catholic been the only source for Christianity. So you believe this is just a dumping ground for heathens. Year after year, damning souls by the millions. What a great plan of salvation. That wasn't so hard for the devil now was it.

I not a wolf. I am not working for the devil. But, I was a Mormon once. I think they are false. But, I don't think that God is going to send 6 million of them to Hell for not being aware of false prophets.

Does God have us in a maze like rats trying to get to the exit on the other side. With mine fields and trap doors and wrong ways. Well I will not pass then. I know that Mormons pray to God in the name of Jesus. The same God you believe in.

So, if you are a prophet let the world know. By the way what church do you belong to , cause I can tear that one apart too. Just like you do to the Catholics. You want to group the Mormons with Catholics now. So what does that make now, 50 million people going to hell for being in the wrong church. If that is the kind, generous God you believe in then you can have it. My mom was a Catholic before she died, and if God sent her to Hell I want to go to. It is a very narrow path and very few will find it. Do you Kenny walk the walk 100%?

I can pick apart any church you mention. There is no true church on earth. They are all partially true. And, faith by no means comes easy. I don't care if you read the bible 24/7 you will still not understand it 100%. And, if that is not true we would not be bickering it would just be cut and dry, Mr. Kenny
Try over a billion
 
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KennethC

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Ok, Magenta. What church should we go to? Do you rely on others to read the bible for you are does it just come natural. Who do you think put the Old and New testament in the nice little package we call the Holy bible? Right or wrong the Catholics were the forerunners for Christianity in the modern world. If you say wrong, then who was?
First it was Jesus and His original 11 Apostles + Matthias + Paul that were the forerunners for Christianity, and not a one of them was a Catholic.

That is false history by the Catholic church, as once again the term catholic was not even used tell the 2nd century (101-200 AD), and it was only used at this point to explain the universal scope that all nationalities can become believers in Christ.

It was not a denominational term or to be taken as you can only be saved if you are a Catholic as the apostasy of that church has peddled for years.

The Catholic's may have been the one's that put the bible together, but that does not mean they teach truth from it !!!

I was in the Catholic church for 5 years and took their RCIA classes, but I left after being in it for five years because of the inconsistencies they were teaching. Christianity existed well before the Catholic church was started, and continued to exist when after Catholicism was formed, and still exists today.

A false Catholic history has been peddled for so long to try to make them out to be the only church that existed since Jesus, but true history shows they adapted out of Christianity over 70 years after Jesus crucifixion !!!
 

Magenta

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Start with Jesus, Joel. Read His words. He never commended prayers to dead people. He specifically told us to pray to the Father in heaven. He never told anyone to pray to Mary, whom He not once addressed as His mother. He certainly never called Mary the mother of God. I suggest the gospel according to John. You may also like Mark as a starting point; it is the shortest.


 
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KennethC

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Yea, well where are they now. I think churches are like cars, different names, run different but all will get you there. And, that's all we now for sure. Are you a hard nose Puritan?
The word of God says that there is only one gospel, and any other teachings that change that message is considered false and does not lead to eternal life through the Lord.

Even Paul in 2 Corinthians 11:4 says that if somebody comes preaching another Jesus then what is mentioned in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John they are a false teacher.
 

PennEd

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But really, I'm supposed to listen to a non Catholic teach me on Catholic doctine? That's kinda nuts. Would you learn music from a car mechanic?
I have no desire to put down or fight with catholics. You see I was baptized as a baby catholic, went to 8 yrs catholic grammar school, virtually all of my very large family remains catholic, I even married a catholic girl in a catholic church. So I have a real love for, and understanding for the pride so many catholics have in their religion.So I get no joy and do not intend to upset you when I say the catholic church is a wicked satanic organization. It is THE ultimate in a works religion. There are so many twisted, evil doctrines I could be here for hours talking about them. I'll just talk about a couple. INDULGENCES: To my Christian brothers and sisters in Christ who may not fully understand this evil practice I'll explain it. Because catholics believe in the doctrine of purgatory (you spend an indeterminate amount of time in a hell-like place to pay for your sins that Jesus' Grace wasn't sufficient to pay for) the popes came up with an ingenious, evil,doctrine called INDULGENCES. They told people that if you gave them (the catholic church) money that it would lessen the amount of time your loved ones would have to spend in purgatory. The more money, the less time. I know, unbelievably sick! Now, catholics today will try and tell you their church ended this practice long ago. THAT IS NOT TRUE! My relatives STILL regularly BUY mass cards. The more mass cards you BUY the more masses that are said in your loved ones name, LESSENING their time in purgatory! It is a real shame what catholicism has done to Mary. Because they have made her an idol, with powers of salvation(that's exactly what's asked of her in the hail Mary),we who believe the Truth, tend sometimes to unfairly put her down. (not accusing anyone here of doing that. To honest, skeptical catholics, I would implore you to read the Bible, look at the history of your church. The MURDERS ALONE should be enough to leave this religion. Jesus loves you, WE love you, His sacrifice, and His sacrifice ALONE is sufficient. DON'T ADD ANYTHING TO IT!! Watch this video and see just how sick this repetitive chant, using beads like the pagans did, is. Just ask yourself if it is possible that you have this all wrong. I have been a part of both, and I promise you JESUS is the only way. [video=youtube;Ol-ZErNdAUs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-ZErNdAUs[/video]
 
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There is ONLY one way to enter into Heaven JoelG and that is by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Last time I checked the Mormons REFUSED to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior!

In fact the Mormons actually believe that Jesus Christ and Satan ARE Brothers! That they both have the SAME Father!

No Mormon will ever enter into Heaven because the moment they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior they stop being a Mormon and become Born Again Christians!

Actually the Source for Christianity is the Scriptures from God. Its the Scriptures with the Holy Spirit that lead people to accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Did you know that millions of people have been put to death for NOT accepting Catholicism? The Catholic Church over the years have put many people to death just because they could.

God does not send people to Hell for just being in the "wrong" Church. God sends people to Hell for REFUSING to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior!

This is the point you are missing JoelG. Its who you follow that sends you to Heaven or Hell, not a building you attend on Sundays. You can be in a Church full of True Christians going to Heaven, but if you have REFUSED to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you cannot enter into Heaven.

Its NOT the Church we belong to that counts and you seem fixated on the thought that its what Church you belong to that counts. ITS JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR THAT COUNTS!
 
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There is ONLY one way to enter into Heaven JoelG and that is by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Last time I checked the Mormons REFUSED to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior!

In fact the Mormons actually believe that Jesus Christ and Satan ARE Brothers! That they both have the SAME Father!

No Mormon will ever enter into Heaven because the moment they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior they stop being a Mormon and become Born Again Christians!

Actually the Source for Christianity is the Scriptures from God. Its the Scriptures with the Holy Spirit that lead people to accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Did you know that millions of people have been put to death for NOT accepting Catholicism? The Catholic Church over the years have put many people to death just because they could.

God does not send people to Hell for just being in the "wrong" Church. God sends people to Hell for REFUSING to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior!

This is the point you are missing JoelG. Its who you follow that sends you to Heaven or Hell, not a building you attend on Sundays. You can be in a Church full of True Christians going to Heaven, but if you have REFUSED to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you cannot enter into Heaven.

Its NOT the Church we belong to that counts and you seem fixated on the thought that its what Church you belong to that counts. ITS JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR THAT COUNTS!
I agree with this! We must accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. There are pew potatoes that won't
 
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The Canon of the Bible was in place long before the Catholic Church came along. In fact it was in A.D. 397 that the Catholic Church put the Canon in place, long AFTER it was already established by the True Christians.

Why do you hate the Children of God so much Joelg? Why are you trying to destroy the True Children of God?

The Catholic Church was not established until centuries AFTER Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven.
 
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2 Peter 2:1-22
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked
[SUP]8 [/SUP] (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)--
[SUP]9 [/SUP] then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.
They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man's voice restrained the madness of the prophet.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."

Peter here is telling us of False Prophets like JoelG who come and try to deceive the very elect with his lies.