Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Look like there are 2 kind of Illuminati.

1. Illuminati
2.The bavarian Illuminati.

Base on this article, Illuminati is elite of Freemasonry.

| Illuminati News | The Secret Order of the Illuminati

The Illuminati (or
Moriah Conquering Wind as they prefer to call themselves these days) is a very secretive group of occult practitioners who have been around for thousands and thousands of years. It is not a boys' club or a group of adults parents trying to get some excitement in life; this is something much bigger than that. This is a very well structured organization consisting of people in extremely High Places. Those people are the Super Wealthy, who stand above the law. Many of them don't even appear on the list of the wealthiest people in the world - it's that secret.

The Bavarian Illuminati
Adam Weishaupt (1748-1811), basically a Jew, converted to become a Catholic Priest and ended up starting a "new" secret society called the Illuminati. Actually it was not new at all; it's been there long before then under different names, but during Weishaupt's lifetime this organization was revealed in public. It's unclear if he was the master-mind behind it, but most researchers, including myself, are more or less certain that Weishaupt was just a puppet for the Freemasonic Elite.
 
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I knew a nut job would surface eventually given the subject material. Tell me Jackson123, is this fictional "Illuminati" run by a tiny sect of Jews who sold their souls to the devil in exchange for running the world for Satan?

I get that one a lot from the order of fruits and nuts. It's pure rubbish, of course, and fun to refute.
 

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I knew a nut job would surface eventually given the subject material. Tell me Jackson123, is this fictional "Illuminati" run by a tiny sect of Jews who sold their souls to the devil in exchange for running the world for Satan?

I get that one a lot from the order of fruits and nuts. It's pure rubbish, of course, and fun to refute.
Brother your question about running the world is interesting. running the world is not running the country.

It is more, it is running the whole country. it is one world government.

a tiny sect of Jews may interested in doing so.

But Vatican is also promote one world government.

Is possible any connection between Vatican and Illuminati? Why they have the same agenda?

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Again, it's not surprising that you believe this stuff, your culture just spent over half a century dealing with conquerors who tried to destroy Catholicism.
 
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Again, it's not surprising that you believe this stuff, your culture just spent over half a century dealing with conquerors who tried to destroy Catholicism.
Thomist I believe that stuff (as far as the pope being part of a satanic agenda and the one world order) and I was born in your culture and even to a catholic home. No Joke man, Kindergarten through 2nd grade saw me at st thomas the apostle school.
 
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I know I shouldn't encourage them but it is entertaining.
 

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Again, it's not surprising that you believe this stuff, your culture just spent over half a century dealing with conquerors who tried to destroy Catholicism.
Greetings Thomist,
I thought I would take a look at the Catholic Heresy Thread, and see what's up here. I hope things are going well with you. I took at look at a treatise examining the thesis that Romanists had murdered 50 million persons; also on a site about the Albigensian / Cathars Inquisition. Boy it must have been tough to practice religion in the middle ages. I came across a claim that Thomas Aquinas was into persecution of those he deemed hairy ticks. Was ol' Tommy a nice guy? Do you agree that Europe was converted to the pope's organization by force?

When I was a teenager I had a RCC girlfriend. I visited her church in exchange for her visiting mine. In confession her priest told her she would have gone straight to Hell (without passing go & getting $200) if she had died before getting to confession. But times have changed. I ran a private Christian school for many years and eventually it happened due to the immigration that most of my students were of RCC background. The local RCC church even helped one student pay his tuition at my school (nondenominational, evangelical). Every student that came made a profession of trusting Christ as Savior after starting my school. We taught them the gospel from the Bible. No one ever squawked about it. And I never told them to leave their denomination -- they were children and had little control over that. And you don't go to the Lake of Fire merely for being in the RCC denomination. In most every denomination IMHO there are persons who aren't real Christians anyway, just playing church.
 

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Again, it's not surprising that you believe this stuff, your culture just spent over half a century dealing with conquerors who tried to destroy Catholicism.
Brother Thomist,

You don't believe your own Pope statement call for world government?
 
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Brother Thomist,

You don't believe your own Pope statement call for world government?
Pope Francis has never spoken for world government. He has spoken for world regulations, such as banning the sex trafficking trade or banning children soldiers. I support this, even we all agree with the Geneva Conventions. I don't believe in world government, for there already is one, the Kingdom of God. Any other world government would claim inherently to dethrone God in place of man, and the power behind that throne would be Satan.

World regulations are good, but if the Body that supports those regulations would dare to impose beyond the confines agreed upon by the world sovereignties, it would then be a world government. Don't mix regulation with sovereignty.
 
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Thomas, do you stick to Roman Catholicism because of a desire for tradition? With all the practices that they practice, the beliefs that they hand down are nothing more than man's inventions, anyone sound in teaching can identify that easily. If you have grown up in it, you will have to learn what it really looks like on the other side of the fence.

(Forgive me if you have explained or answered this before)
 

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Pope Francis has never spoken for world government. He has spoken for world regulations, such as banning the sex trafficking trade or banning children soldiers. I support this, even we all agree with the Geneva Conventions. I don't believe in world government, for there already is one, the Kingdom of God. Any other world government would claim inherently to dethrone God in place of man, and the power behind that throne would be Satan.

World regulations are good, but if the Body that supports those regulations would dare to impose beyond the confines agreed upon by the world sovereignties, it would then be a world government. Don't mix regulation with sovereignty.

If you have a time to google than you going to find it. May under different terminology but it is New world Order.

Pope Benedict also had this agenda.



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Thomas, do you stick to Roman Catholicism because of a desire for tradition? With all the practices that they practice, the beliefs that they hand down are nothing more than man's inventions, anyone sound in teaching can identify that easily. If you have grown up in it, you will have to learn what it really looks like on the other side of the fence.

(Forgive me if you have explained or answered this before)
I admit to a love of traditions, not man made ones, but the traditions of the Church as it has stood for almost two thousand years. I was not raised Roman Catholic, I was raised fundamentalist Protestant. I came to problems that I found through studying the early church fathers, through discovering the lives of Francis of Assisi and Thomas Aquinas, and through a rigorous study of Scripture. Unfortunately, or at least that's how I felt, everything came up Catholic. At every turn I found the Catholic teachings to be in line and on point with Holy Scripture. The final wall collapsed when I read the Council of Trent myself.

Are there Catholic cultural traditions that exceed Christian thought? Yes. Are they part of Canon law? No. Realize that half of my time spent arguing with Christian brethren and sisters is defending Catholicism, the other half is spent seeking to teach the true Catechism and Catholic beliefs to Catholics. Both Catholicism and Protestantism have the same fundamental problem...the laity are poorly taught and the clergy suffer from an inability to teach. This is why I am entering the Order of Preachers founded by St. Dominic in the 1200s. St. Dominic founded this order of friars in order to correctly teach and root out the heresies that had entered into the Catholic culture. Thankfully, due to the intervention of the Holy Spirit, those heresies have never been officially announced or supported by the Church. Indulgences was enacted through the administrative power of the Pope and not through the Magisterial power of infallible moral declarations. The Church has a strict adherence as to how the Pope speaks on certain issues. He can believe that UFOs are real, but we believe, and history has born this, that the Holy Spirit ensures such beliefs, even if spoken are never spoken Ex Cathedra. This is the difference between a papal bull and a papal decree. A bull is the personal opinion of the Pope, such as Pope Benedict XVI's book on theology and Christology are through the offices of Papal Bull. The Encyclical on Human Sexuality by St. John Paul I'm were through His ex cathedral power and is held as infallible. Read it, you'd be amazed at finding that His declaration on human sexuality is entirely in line with Scripture.

Is there something wrong in the Catholic Church? Yes. Every generation, Satan tries to defraud and destroy the Church and every generation sees Christ intervene through His Body and upset the corruption. It is my belief that the Reformation and the Counter Reformation were part and parcel of Christ's ensuring the cleansing of His Church.

However, I must state that as of right now, there is one thing that convinces me that the Roman Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of the Nicene Creed. There is only one Roman Catholic church, where as every other form of Christianity has broken apart. There is no Orthodox church or Protestant Church. There are Orthodox Churches and Protestant Churches, but one Catholic Church. I don't deny my brothers and sisters outside of the Church. I believe with all my heart that the majority of Protestants and Orthodox are Christians who are saved and are going to the New Earth and that we will spend eternity together. But for me to deny where Christ has called me to, would be to deny Him.

I love Jesus with every fiber of my being. He is the Lover of my soul, the center of my world. I don't just love Christ, I am in love with the God who is Love Himself. He has saved me from being a slut and whore. When I read Hosea Chapter Two, I heard in the center of my being Christ declare that He had come to remove the Baals from my mouth, and that I would no longer call Him Lord, but Husband. He proclaims this to us all. When I finally submitted and asked Him to take my life, I had a series of dreams. In every one, I saw myself in a friar's habit, specifically the Dominican habit. At the end of my dreams, I heard a voice that I had heard when I was seven years old. The voice has always said the same thing, "Will you be this, will you do this for me?" And every time I said yes. Then, the voice responded, "Come now my love, my lovely one come. For you the winter has gone and spring has come. The turtle dove sings in the land again. Come now my love, my lovely one come." Imagine to my surprise that on the day I started RCIA, the way an adult joins the Catholic church, that the very verse we were to study was from the Song of Songs, and it was that same verse.

I am where I am called. To quote Martin Luther, "Here I stand, I can do no other."
 
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"I must state that as of right now, there is one thing that convinces me that the Roman Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of the Nicene Creed." - Thomistcolin.

And there is far more than one thing that convinces me it's not. The pope calls himself "holy father?" I'm out.
 

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I admit to a love of traditions, not man made ones, but the traditions of the Church as it has stood for almost two thousand years. I was not raised Roman Catholic, I was raised fundamentalist Protestant. I came to problems that I found through studying the early church fathers, through discovering the lives of Francis of Assisi and Thomas Aquinas, and through a rigorous study of Scripture. Unfortunately, or at least that's how I felt, everything came up Catholic. At every turn I found the Catholic teachings to be in line and on point with Holy Scripture. The final wall collapsed when I read the Council of Trent myself.

Are there Catholic cultural traditions that exceed Christian thought? Yes. Are they part of Canon law? No. Realize that half of my time spent arguing with Christian brethren and sisters is defending Catholicism, the other half is spent seeking to teach the true Catechism and Catholic beliefs to Catholics. Both Catholicism and Protestantism have the same fundamental problem...the laity are poorly taught and the clergy suffer from an inability to teach. This is why I am entering the Order of Preachers founded by St. Dominic in the 1200s. St. Dominic founded this order of friars in order to correctly teach and root out the heresies that had entered into the Catholic culture. Thankfully, due to the intervention of the Holy Spirit, those heresies have never been officially announced or supported by the Church. Indulgences was enacted through the administrative power of the Pope and not through the Magisterial power of infallible moral declarations. The Church has a strict adherence as to how the Pope speaks on certain issues. He can believe that UFOs are real, but we believe, and history has born this, that the Holy Spirit ensures such beliefs, even if spoken are never spoken Ex Cathedra. This is the difference between a papal bull and a papal decree. A bull is the personal opinion of the Pope, such as Pope Benedict XVI's book on theology and Christology are through the offices of Papal Bull. The Encyclical on Human Sexuality by St. John Paul I'm were through His ex cathedral power and is held as infallible. Read it, you'd be amazed at finding that His declaration on human sexuality is entirely in line with Scripture.

Is there something wrong in the Catholic Church? Yes. Every generation, Satan tries to defraud and destroy the Church and every generation sees Christ intervene through His Body and upset the corruption. It is my belief that the Reformation and the Counter Reformation were part and parcel of Christ's ensuring the cleansing of His Church.

However, I must state that as of right now, there is one thing that convinces me that the Roman Catholic Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of the Nicene Creed. There is only one Roman Catholic church, where as every other form of Christianity has broken apart. There is no Orthodox church or Protestant Church. There are Orthodox Churches and Protestant Churches, but one Catholic Church. I don't deny my brothers and sisters outside of the Church. I believe with all my heart that the majority of Protestants and Orthodox are Christians who are saved and are going to the New Earth and that we will spend eternity together. But for me to deny where Christ has called me to, would be to deny Him.

I love Jesus with every fiber of my being. He is the Lover of my soul, the center of my world. I don't just love Christ, I am in love with the God who is Love Himself. He has saved me from being a slut and whore. When I read Hosea Chapter Two, I heard in the center of my being Christ declare that He had come to remove the Baals from my mouth, and that I would no longer call Him Lord, but Husband. He proclaims this to us all. When I finally submitted and asked Him to take my life, I had a series of dreams. In every one, I saw myself in a friar's habit, specifically the Dominican habit. At the end of my dreams, I heard a voice that I had heard when I was seven years old. The voice has always said the same thing, "Will you be this, will you do this for me?" And every time I said yes. Then, the voice responded, "Come now my love, my lovely one come. For you the winter has gone and spring has come. The turtle dove sings in the land again. Come now my love, my lovely one come." Imagine to my surprise that on the day I started RCIA, the way an adult joins the Catholic church, that the very verse we were to study was from the Song of Songs, and it was that same verse.

I am where I am called. To quote Martin Luther, "Here I stand, I can do no other."
Brother Thomist

are your stand for the teaching that if you wear scapular till the time you die, then you go to heaven?
 

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Brother Thomist, Are You against New world order or you agree with New Word Order?
 
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Brother Thomist

are your stand for the teaching that if you wear scapular till the time you die, then you go to heaven?
Scapular is a sacramental, meaning it is a tool. If relied upon it becomes an idol. Catholic dogma and Canon law have never approved the view you put forward. It's part of a cultural belief rather than religious one.
 
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Brother Thomist, Are You against New world order or you agree with New Word Order?
New World Order is a tricky phrase. Do I wish there was a new order to the world? Yes. Do I wish a one world government? No. There should be a New World Order, and there will be when the U.S. and the EU go the way of all empires and fall. It will be the fall of Rome all over again. Afterwards, logically there will be a new world order. Humanity will survive as will the Church.
 
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Colin if you aren't careful these last days are going to fall around your ears. You will see something the history of the world has never seen nor will ever see again. Just watch and don't forget the bible "first." ALL of this was foretold.
 
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Colin if you aren't careful these last days are going to fall around your ears. You will see something the history of the world has never seen nor will ever see again. Just watch and don't forget the bible "first." ALL of this was foretold.
I find it odd when Protestants go nuts claiming Catholics aren't Christians, and then give some eerie warning.

The end will come when God decides, until then I expect His coming at any moment, but as I do so, I seek to do the next right thing.
 
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I find it odd when Protestants go nuts claiming Catholics aren't Christians, and then give some eerie warning.

The end will come when God decides, until then I expect His coming at any moment, but as I do so, I seek to do the next right thing.
First, I'm not a protestant. I know that it's taught that every christian who isn't Catholic is a protestant. Even had nobody ever protested I would only have followed God because He called me and I still would have read the bible for myself.

Second eerie warning? The bible is the one warning you. The signs are ALL OVER THE PLACE. from Israel, to increase in knowledge to traveling too and fro upon the earth. Do your own study.

If you believe He is coming at any moment then that is awesome.
That isn't what I gathered from your above comment of

"It will be the fall of Rome all over again. Afterwards, logically there will be a new world order. Humanity will survive"-Thomistcolin