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notuptome

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kennethcadwell said:
If works do not play a part in how strong ones faith is, then James would be wrong.

Faith without works is dead.
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As long as you cling to an incorrect understanding of James there is no other conclusion for you to draw. When you put Christ first and yourself last you begin to see what James was teaching.

The living faith that is imparted to the believing heart by God evidences God's presence by its actions. Without the presence of the Living God all the action in the world will be of no avail.

For the cause of Christ
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notuptome said:
As long as you cling to an incorrect understanding of James there is no other conclusion for you to draw. When you put Christ first and yourself last you begin to see what James was teaching.

The living faith that is imparted to the believing heart by God evidences God's presence by its actions. Without the presence of the Living God all the action in the world will be of no avail.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I don't have a false understanding.
James makes it clear as well as what Jesus taught. If you are a true believer in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior good works will follow. If good works do not follow the believer their faith is a dead faith.

Jesus showed this same understanding that mere belief does not save in Matthew 25:31-46.
You can have belief in Him, but if you do not do for others in need then you are denying Him by your actions.

Following Him in obedience is called of us by Him and the apostles confirm this.
 
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sacraig67 said:
I myself wouldn't mind knowing all the differences as I don't know much about Catholisism. How can I argue one point if I don't know much about the other?
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That's easy to do. Just know the truth inside and out. Then when a lie is told, you will know very quickly how to argue the point!
 
notuptome

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kennethcadwell said:
I don't have a false understanding.
James makes it clear as well as what Jesus taught. If you are a true believer in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior good works will follow. If good works do not follow the believer their faith is a dead faith.

Jesus showed this same understanding that mere belief does not save in Matthew 25:31-46.
You can have belief in Him, but if you do not do for others in need then you are denying Him by your actions.

Following Him in obedience is called of us by Him and the apostles confirm this.
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You are reading into the scriptures what you want them to say not reading out of the scriptures what they really say. James an Paul must agree. The branch bears the fruit the vine produces the fruit. We are created to show forth the works of Christ not boast of our own works. I would be concerned if you are attempting to prove your faith by your works.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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A dogma is a declaration of something that has always been believed. There was never a tomb for Mary because she body was assumed into Heaven. We know the tombs and locations of many of the apostles, yet there is nothing for Mary.
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Actually there is a tomb for Mary... many Catholics and Orthodox pilgrimage to it all the time... Tomb of the Virgin Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Tomb of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Secondly, you are incorrect about a dogma being something that was always believed... believed by who ? Its the same thing with Mary as Co-Redemtrix. Many people ( Catholics ) are against it and yet it will still most likely be the next dogma. Not all Catholics believed she was assumed...
 
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Actually that would be a practice and how things are practiced can be changed.
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When a "practice" becomes suddenly necessary to be done a certain amount of times per year ( at least ) to be in good standing with the Church, and thus be saved... it is adding to the gospel. Unless you want to say that I dont have to be in good standing with the Church to be saved...

What was once a practice, suddenly became a sacrament in the 1500s.
 
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To further my point about dogma NOT being just a definition of something that has always been believed, another example ( of many ) would be the dogma of Papal Infallibility declared in 1870. Are you going to tell me this was always believed as well ???

If so, you are going to have a hard time explaining the Great Schism.
 
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IAm3rd said:
Actually there is a tomb for Mary... many Catholics and Orthodox pilgrimage to it all the time... Tomb of the Virgin Mary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Tomb of the Blessed Virgin Mary
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Tomb as in where her body is, not where her body was. They have bodies of the apostles, but not Mary.

Secondly, you are incorrect about a dogma being something that was always believed... believed by who ?
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By Christianity (Catholicism) since the beginning.

Its the same thing with Mary as Co-Redemtrix. Many people ( Catholics ) are against it and yet it will still most likely be the next dogma. Not all Catholics believed she was assumed...
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I don't think you even know what that is.
 
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"Tomb as in where her body is, not where her body was. They have bodies of the apostles, but not Mary."
"By Christianity (Catholicism) since the beginning."

"I don't think you even know what that is".
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Well, you can think that if you want... but I assure you I have studied Catholicism inside and out for years. I just left the Catholic Church Early this year, so Im not some born and raised fundamentalist Jack Chickian. I actually know what I'm talking about.

Secondly, to say that christians believed in the infallibility of the pope from the beginning is silly... and I see you didnt address why the great schism took place if "all christians" believed in the supremacy and infallibility of the pope.
 
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IAm3rd said:
Well, you can think that if you want... but I assure you I have studied Catholicism inside and out for years. I just left the Catholic Church Early this year, so Im not some born and raised fundamentalist Jack Chickian. I actually know what I'm talking about.

Secondly, to say that christians believed in the infallibility of the pope from the beginning is silly... and I see you didnt address why the great schism took place if "all christians" believed in the supremacy and infallibility of the pope.
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Its not a question of all Christians. The Coptics denied apostolic succession, and the Orthodox denied the primacy of Rome, claiming the Primacy of Constantinople. However, the core doctrines are agreed upon. Coptics believe Bishops should lead the church and are called to. The Orthodox agree that Mary was born without sin. Both believe in transubstantiation.
 
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Jruiz said:
This is not to bash Catholics! What are some of the teachings in Catholicism that are differant than Christianity? I personally don't Beleive in praying to Mother Mary, don't Believe in purgatory and don't really like the idea of organized religion...
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They see purgatory as a physical place, but it is a period in our life that we must be drain from our sin, and replace it with the blood of Christ. The mother of God isn't Mary, but she is the earthly mother for the earthly kingdom or realm and which she represented the Heavenly Mother. Every religions does thing in a traditional manner, but we must out grow from that.
 
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I've been noticing tons of works-related salvation and losing salvation from sins committed (Catholic inspired)...it's causing a lot of confusion for newer born again believers and should be stamped out of this site.
 
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Radius said:
I've been noticing tons of works-related salvation and losing salvation from sins committed (Catholic inspired)...it's causing a lot of confusion for newer born again believers and should be stamped out of this site.
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Just kinda have it all conform to your own denominational beliefs or... ?
 
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ThomistColin said:
The Orthodox agree that Mary was born without sin. Both believe in transubstantiation.
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Uhm, no, we don't. We don't believe neither in the imaculata conception nor in the transubstantiation.
 
ThomistColin

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Simona25 said:
Uhm, no, we don't. We don't believe neither in the imaculata conception nor in the transubstantiation.
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Simple arguments. While your Orthodox Church may not teach it. I have learned from Greek Orthodox priests that they do believe in Mary's sinless birth and that the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Our Lord. They did not agree with the terminology, but agreed with the result. I specifically asked these questions of these two priests when I was in Newark last.
 
ThomistColin

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However, Simona if they informed me incorrectly, forgive me for spreading lies about your faith tradition.
 
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ThomistColin said:
Simple arguments. While your Orthodox Church may not teach it. I have learned from Greek Orthodox priests that they do believe in Mary's sinless birth and that the bread and wine are the Body and Blood of Our Lord. They did not agree with the terminology, but agreed with the result. I specifically asked these questions of these two priests when I was in Newark last.
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Maybe they were greek-catholic priests. The greek catholics look like greek-orthodox in form, but in essence they confess the catholic teachings; it has been asked on this forum what is a wolf in clothes of a sheep. The answer is the greek-catholics. They are catholics in clothes of greek orthodox/eastern orthodox.
 
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Simona25 said:
Maybe they were greek-catholic priests. The greek catholics look like greek-orthodox in form, but in essence they confess the catholic teachings; it has been asked on this forum what is a wolf in clothes of a sheep. The answer is the greek-catholics. They are catholics in clothes of greek orthodox/eastern orthodox.
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No, I know Greek Catholics. Literally down the road from my Parish is the Ukrainian Catholic Orthodox. These two priests were Greek Orthodox.

By the way, the little attack on those Eastern Rite Catholics was uncalled for.
 
ThomistColin

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Simona25 said:
It was not an attack, but the confirmation of a biblical verse in our times...
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And so it continues. What a lovely Body of Christ, where the hand tries to choke the neck and the foot is kicking itself in the groin. I'm done with this thread. What hatred there is here.
 
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