Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123

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Christians and Jews worship the same God.
John 5
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

According to Jesus, this group of Jews doesn't believe in Moses, and Moses wrote God word, somthis group of Jews do not believe in God, that why Jesus say : " How shall he believe My word"
 

Dan_473

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God went to the trouble to Incarnate Truth on earth in time and history, establish it among men unadulterated with error and gifted a teaching body to spread it infallibly, for it to end and His Church to be seeking that unadulterated Word of God?
God perfectly inspired the scriptures.
and while the apostles were alive, they maintained the church in good order.

(the reader can decide if the following is satire or history as it actually happened.)

sometime after the death of the last apostle, the Catholics (boo, hiss) took over and changed things all around.

it wasn't until sometime around the Reformation, when the Bible became more easily available and readable by the common person, that things got straightened out again.
 

Dan_473

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You not sure how many helper Satan have, but you believe Satan able to create one world religion,
I don't think I said that Satan was able to create a one-world religion.
which post of mine are you looking at?

Seem to me Satan have a lot of help. 1/3 of angle + catholic or Protestant that help unite all religions is his helper isn't it?
well, think about the human helpers that Satan has to work with
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger,
rivalries, divisions, sects,
21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

these people are not good at working together.

I also don't know if the one third of Angels in Revelation is to be taken literally.
also do fallen angels have the same issues with self-centeredness that fleshly humans do?
again, I don't know.

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you the wrong way. Christ is righteous. So to be like Christ a person must do what is right. 8 The devil has been sinning since the beginning, so anyone who continues to sin belongs to the devil. The Son of God came for this purpose: to destroy the devil’s work.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 John+3&version=NCV

so, I don't think we need to be so focused on the devil's work.
that's the stuff that's built on Sand and is always falling over.

9 Those who are God’s children do not continue sinning, because the new life from God remains in them. They are not able to go on sinning, because they have become children of God. 10 So we can see who God’s children are and who the devil’s children are: Those who do not do what is right are not God’s children, and those who do not love their brothers and sisters are not God’s children.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 John+3&version=NCV

I know you've talked about how you love Catholics.

Love never gives up.
Love cares more for others than for self.
Love doesn’t want what it doesn’t have.
Love doesn’t strut,
Doesn’t have a swelled head,
Doesn’t force itself on others,
Isn’t always “me first,”
Doesn’t fly off the handle,
Doesn’t keep score of the sins of others,
Doesn’t revel when others grovel,
Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth,
Puts up with anything,
Trusts God always,
Always looks for the best
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13&version=MSG

out of your love for Catholics, how about looking for the best in them?
after all, these are people who steadfastly proclaim everyday in Mass that they believe in
One Lord Jesus Christ.

You believe there will be God one world religion. It must not involve Islam isn't it?
2 In the future, the mountain
with the Lord’s temple
will be the highest of all.
It will reach above the hills;
every nation will rush to it.
3 Many people will come and say,
“Let’s go to the mountain
of the Lord God of Jacob
and worship in his temple.”

The Lord will teach us his Law
from Jerusalem,
and we will obey him.
4 He will settle arguments
between nations.
They will pound their swords
and their spears
into rakes and shovels;
they will never make war
or attack one another.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+2&version=CEV

yes, a single religion for the whole world centered around God.

I'm not sure what you mean by "must not involve Islam".
Muslim people in general don't believe in Jesus, and so are not saved.

but some ideas found in both Christianity and Islam will be in that one world religion.
for example, the idea that there is only one God.

Than you believe there will be satanic one world religion.
I don't think I said that.
which post of mine are you referring to?

we may wish to remember, too, that we are not interpreting letter by letter.
 
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That is mean catholic culture.org failed
So you believe catholic culture. Org lie?
Catholic Culture, for reasons only known to itself, published an old article on its web site.

There is no evidence that Catholic Chulture was anything to do with promoting one world religion.
If you actually read the aricle you will find it seems to be actively promoted by a Protestant - Bishop William Swing of the Episcopal Diocese of California .

I see no evidence that the Catholic Church (as opposed some (unamed) people in it) have anything to do with this United Religions Organization
 

Dan_473

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That is mean catholic culture.org failed
catholicculture.org appears to have a large library of basically reprints from past academic journals.

that article you linked to is pretty long, did you read all of it?

I didn't read all of it, the parts that I skimmed sounded to me like it was simply reporting an event in which some Catholics participated.
the overall tone of what I read indicated to me that the writer of the article was not in favor of Catholic participation in the interfaith organization.
 

Dan_473

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I really don't understand what you talking about, my brother
Why you accused me not agree the scripture?
You read English hundred time better than me don't you

Paul wrote letter to the church in Corinth, not to Buddhist temple in Japan, or Mormon temple in California.
well, do you agree or disagree with this?

1st Corinthians is addressed
"To God’s church that is in Corinth,

To those who have been made holy to God in Christ Jesus, who are called to be God’s people.

Together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place—he’s their Lord and ours!"
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1&version=CEB
 

Jackson123

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Catholic Culture, for reasons only known to itself, published an old article on its web site.

There is no evidence that Catholic Chulture was anything to do with promoting one world religion.
If you actually read the aricle you will find it seems to be actively promoted by a Protestant - Bishop William Swing of the Episcopal Diocese of California .

I see no evidence that the Catholic Church (as opposed some (unamed) people in it) have anything to do with this United Religions Organization

 

Dan_473

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So you believe Christian must unite with Muslim?
no, Christians are to be United with other Christians.

Muslims are not Christians, they have not been baptized by one Spirit into the one body of Christ.

as a group they do not call out to Jesus, 1 Corinthians was not written to them.

So you believe Jews and Muslim worship the same god?
How about Christian and Jew?
I believe I have talked to many times on this thread about how yes, Christians Jews and Muslims can all be said to worship the same God.

Jews and Muslims do not worship God in spirit and in truth, they do not worship God the way he wants to be worshipped.
 

Dan_473

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So you believe catholic culture. Org lie?
I haven't spent that much time looking at it, but it looks to me basically like a library that contains loads of articles from the past.
it's probably intended as a research tool.

I'm sure I would agree with some of the articles and disagree with others.

it's kind of like asking the question
"does archive.org lie?"
 

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no need to be scared.
1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time; 7 casting all your worries on him, because he cares for you. 8 Be sober and self-controlled. Be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

lions roar in order to scare animals, and make them run around and into the lion that is being quiet.

we can be steadfast and settled.
1 Peter 5:9 Withstand him steadfast in your faith, knowing that your brothers who are in the world are undergoing the same sufferings. 10 But may the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
 

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no, Christians are to be United with other Christians.
Is that mean you not agree Muslim, Hindu, christian etc pray together like in this link?
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-28-mn-8024-story.html
I believe I have talked to many times on this thread about how yes, Christians Jews and Muslims can all be said to worship the same God.
Don't you agree true God is trinity?
Christian worship trinity God

Muslim worship allah

Jews do not believe God

John 5
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 

Jackson123

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no need to be scared.
1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time; 7 casting all your worries on him, because he cares for you. 8 Be sober and self-controlled. Be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

lions roar in order to scare animals, and make them run around and into the lion that is being quiet.

we can be steadfast and settled.
1 Peter 5:9 Withstand him steadfast in your faith, knowing that your brothers who are in the world are undergoing the same sufferings. 10 But may the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
Sound Like Indonesian shaman when they pray
 
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Why is it common sense? The Bible does not speak of many administrations but it does speak of many Covenants.
The six major ones are:
Adamic
Noahic
Abrahamic
Mosaic
Davidic
New Covenant
But there are others.

Covenant is a major theme throughout the Bible.
The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.
 
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God perfectly inspired the scriptures.
and while the apostles were alive, they maintained the church in good order.

(the reader can decide if the following is satire or history as it actually happened.)

sometime after the death of the last apostle, the Catholics (boo, hiss) took over and changed things all around.

it wasn't until sometime around the Reformation, when the Bible became more easily available and readable by the common person, that things got straightened out again.
God did go through all that trouble but we still look for unadulterated truth then. Thank you Dan for clarifying that for me.
 
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The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.
Dispensationalism is not biblical. It was invented in the early 19th century by John Nelson Darby and systematised by Cyrus I. Scofield. They took a word from the New Testament and tried to apply it to the whole Bible, artificially dividing up history into "dispensations".
It has split (as these things do) into several branches - Mid Acts Dispensationism (suitably shortened to MAD), Late Acts Dispensationism, Hyper Dispensationalism etc. It proposes two separate gospels.
The divisions of time periods are as various as the different versions of dispensationalism.

I can show where the different covenants are in the Biible.
Can you show me where the Bible divides history into dispensations?