Catholicism vs Protestantism
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Just elieved that you are a sinner, and Jesus died for your sins, your soul will DEFINATELY be saved
Of course, we can disagree with other parts of their theology. But there's lots of Protestants I disagree with, too!
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Believed and practice in Jesus's teachings is the second step of being saved. It is not easy, a long the way we might fail but it is alright, ask for forgiveness and repent and continue the journey until the final days.
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You have probably read this verse
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/5-23.htm
So we can see that Christ is the head of the church, the church is his body.
https://biblehub.com/ephesians/5-23.htm
So we can see that Christ is the head of the church, the church is his body.
Maybe you're getting tripped up over different uses of the phrase Catholic Church.
Sometimes it can mean the people all over the world who regularly attend meetings run by the system of priests and bishops that is headquartered in Rome.
Other times it means all Christians everywhere.
The Bible uses the word Church in different ways as well!
Sometimes it can mean the people all over the world who regularly attend meetings run by the system of priests and bishops that is headquartered in Rome.
Other times it means all Christians everywhere.
The Bible uses the word Church in different ways as well!
I'm not talking about lying. I'm saying different people will read the teachings of Jesus and come away with different ideas.
So when we say that in order to be a Christian you have to follow the teachings of Jesus, do you just mean follow them in the best way that you understand them?
So when we say that in order to be a Christian you have to follow the teachings of Jesus, do you just mean follow them in the best way that you understand them?
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So what is the definition of catholic
816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."
The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."
816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."
The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Ccc841 not say if that Muslim not know catholic.
Ccc841 not say if that Muslim not know catholic.
Ccc 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
It imply that catholic believe Muslim adore abraham God. I believe it deliberately misleading.
There is vested interest in this paragraph.
Try to pursue Muslim to participate in one world religion
https://www.chick.com/battle-cry/article?id=Humble-New-Pope-Making-Firm-Push-for-One-World-Religion
It imply that catholic believe Muslim adore abraham God. I believe it deliberately misleading.
There is vested interest in this paragraph.
Try to pursue Muslim to participate in one world religion
https://www.chick.com/battle-cry/article?id=Humble-New-Pope-Making-Firm-Push-for-One-World-Religion
I think Catholic try to use romans 2 to give a reason for ccc 841
And it is not fit et all
Romans 2:12-16 talk about people that never hear gospel
Ccc 841 Muslim save because profess abraham god
1. Muslim god is not abraham god.
Why a. Abraham God teach Jesus is God Muslim god teach Jesus is not god
2. Muslim do not always mean never hear gospel.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Romans2
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
And it is not fit et all
Romans 2:12-16 talk about people that never hear gospel
Ccc 841 Muslim save because profess abraham god
1. Muslim god is not abraham god.
Why a. Abraham God teach Jesus is God Muslim god teach Jesus is not god
2. Muslim do not always mean never hear gospel.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Romans2
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Do you mean the Catholic view on this?
I think their view is that if you know that the authority structure of the Catholic church is ordained by God, and then refuse to submit to it, then you cannot be saved.
It's similar to the view of most Protestants, that if you know that Jesus was sent from God and refuse to believe in him, then you cannot be saved.
I think their view is that if you know that the authority structure of the Catholic church is ordained by God, and then refuse to submit to it, then you cannot be saved.
It's similar to the view of most Protestants, that if you know that Jesus was sent from God and refuse to believe in him, then you cannot be saved.
About registering as a member, in the Catholic view a person becomes a member of the Catholic Church by being baptized.
They accept baptisms done by Protestants.
I don't think there's any kind of registration.
That's the first sacrament. Then, if you want to participate in other sacraments such as confession or communion, you talk to the priest. He then guides you and helps you prepare. This is sometimes done in classes.
They accept baptisms done by Protestants.
I don't think there's any kind of registration.
That's the first sacrament. Then, if you want to participate in other sacraments such as confession or communion, you talk to the priest. He then guides you and helps you prepare. This is sometimes done in classes.
I remember about example of deductive logic by aristotles
1-Man are mortal
2- Socrates is a man
3- therefore Socrates is mortal
Catholic deductive logic
1. Jesus is a savior
2- catholic is the body of Christ
3. Therefore catholic is a savior
Because catholic is a savior, than do whatever they say. If they ask you to buy forgiveness, do buy.
Catholic try to say church is Christ.
Christ is the only savior so RCC is the only savior
Only if you don't know about Catholic than you save without RC but through Jesus
Another exception is muslim
Muslim is
1. not member of catholic
2. Not require never hear about catholic
Save
Why
Because Muslim profess abraham god
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
So if you profess to hold abraham god, no need to accept Jesus as a god you save anyway
This paragraph imply Jews no need to accept Jesus, because Jews also profess to hold the faith of abraham
1-Man are mortal
2- Socrates is a man
3- therefore Socrates is mortal
Catholic deductive logic
1. Jesus is a savior
2- catholic is the body of Christ
3. Therefore catholic is a savior
Because catholic is a savior, than do whatever they say. If they ask you to buy forgiveness, do buy.
Catholic try to say church is Christ.
Christ is the only savior so RCC is the only savior
Only if you don't know about Catholic than you save without RC but through Jesus
Another exception is muslim
Muslim is
1. not member of catholic
2. Not require never hear about catholic
Save
Why
Because Muslim profess abraham god
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
So if you profess to hold abraham god, no need to accept Jesus as a god you save anyway
This paragraph imply Jews no need to accept Jesus, because Jews also profess to hold the faith of abraham
My brother, I read about catholic and I don't believe her doctrine is biblical
Her doctrine design to direct people to believe RCC is a savior
Christ is savior
RCC is the body of Christ
Therefore RCC is a savior
This is coup d'etat
Jesus is a God
I am the body of God
So Jackson 123 is a God
Do you believe I am God brother?
if so, please worship me, send me you offering
Her doctrine design to direct people to believe RCC is a savior
Christ is savior
RCC is the body of Christ
Therefore RCC is a savior
This is coup d'etat
Jesus is a God
I am the body of God
So Jackson 123 is a God
Do you believe I am God brother?
if so, please worship me, send me you offering